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How much help does Curry need??
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How much help does Curry need??
[QUOTE=warriorfan;14937510]Athleticism does not equal how good you are at basketball
I know this is your coping mechanism because you talked about how you were obese as a child, and now you are still under six feet tall.
You were doomed with very subpar athletic genetics, but that isn’t what held you back from playing. Theres other factors such as intelligence and work ethic (you didn’t have any of these either because if you did you wouldn’t of let yourself get obese in the first place)
To sum it up even if you had athletic genes you have low iq and work ethic so you still would have not even been able to make JV.[/QUOTE]
Meltdown :oldlol:
Go ahead and rate the next thread I create one star like you have been doing for the past two months. Weirdo.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14937512]Meltdown :oldlol:
Go ahead and rate the next thread I create one star like you have been doing for the past two months. Weirdo.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
Are you sure it wasn't ballsout?
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14937512]Meltdown :oldlol:
Go ahead and rate the next thread I create one star like you have been doing for the past two months. Weirdo.[/QUOTE]
Can you make some more insightful threads with more youtube videos like your “Is the moon a spaceship?”
([url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?507104-Have-any-of-you-guys-heard-the-theory-that-the-Moon-is-a-Spaceship[/url])
Or maybe more requesting rape porn?
([url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477431-The-Rape-Scene-in-High-Plains-Drifter[/url])
I’ll be sure to upvote right away
:lol :roll:
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Are you sure it wasn't ballsout?[/QUOTE]
:roll:
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Guys be honest how are you going to be able to handle these two on the same team
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To go with that you got to deal with Allen and Billups lighting up from 3, Pippen & Caruso shutting down on the perimeter and Barkley and Manu killing your bench
The only team that kinda has me nervous is iamgine but I'm confident my guys can shut down Curry and I'm not sure his team has another go to guy with Curry neutralised
[QUOTE=Manny98;14937518]Guys be honest how are you going to be able to handle these two on the same team
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To go with that you got to deal with Allen and Billups lighting up from 3, Pippen & Caruso shutting down on the perimeter and Barkley and Manu killing your bench
The only team that kinda has me nervous is iamgine but I'm confident my guys can shut down Curry and I'm not sure his team has another go to guy with Curry neutralised[/QUOTE]
imagine has a scary team, although I do think he fumbled his final pick. He has 3 guys, Luka, Curry, & Peja who are liabilities on defense.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14937519]imagine has a scary team, although I do think he fumbled his final pick. He has 3 guys, Luka, Curry, & Peja who are liabilities on defense.[/QUOTE]
Shit I forgot he has Luka as well :facepalm
But he has KG,PG and Jrue Holiday to cover for their defensive weaknesses his team is damm near flawless
[QUOTE=Manny98;14937521]Shit I forgot he has Luka as well :facepalm
But he has KG,PG and Jrue Holiday to cover for their defensive weaknesses his team is damm near flawless[/QUOTE]
Not to mention D-Rob who is a top 5 defensive player ever in terms of impact. :lol
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14937519]imagine has a scary team, although I do think he fumbled his final pick. He has 3 guys, Luka, Curry, & Peja who are liabilities on defense.[/QUOTE]
He will definitely get the most votes
The paul george pick put him over the top. He fell way too far.
Gine picks good teams.
One of the last ones it came down to me and him at the end. I blew it off the bat though, I had second to last pick and he had last pick, I tried to get cute and pick up shaq before curry and gine scooped him up while ignoring all my subsequent trade requests :lol
I was a bit busy for the draft but I’ll try to vote on things at least in the next few
[QUOTE=warriorfan;14937528]Gine picks good teams.
One of the last ones it came down to me and him at the end. I blew it off the bat though, I had second to last pick and he had last pick, I tried to get cute and pick up shaq before curry and gine scooped him up while ignoring all my subsequent trade requests :lol
I was a bit busy for the draft but I’ll try to vote on things at least in the next few[/QUOTE]
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Of all the greats of the game bro took Alex Caruso:roll:
[QUOTE=DJMcDonald;14937534]Of all the greats of the game bro took Alex Caruso:roll:[/QUOTE]
Do you realize there is only one basketball, I don't need another all time great I need a guy who can play without the ball and is willing to do all the grit hustle plays that don't show up on the stat sheet
Yes I could have picked a Clyde Drexler or a James Harden but what would be the point when I already have a sufficient amount of playmakers and stars on my team
Btw my team would blow yours out the building in the first quarter with that god awful starting lineup defense that would make D'antoni proud :roll:
While it is a bit of an extreme example, lil manny has a point.
I like his team too. Good balance of o and d and ball handling. He went all out on spacing to maximize Pippen which works. Good draft gameplan and good execution. I need to check out the other teams but I like where he’s coming from.
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Btw my team would blow yours out the building in the first quarter with that god awful starting lineup defense that would make D'antoni proud :roll:[/QUOTE]
My starting lineup is the following:
Nash
Tmac
AK
Dirk
Shaq
Nash running the pick & roll/pop with Shaq/Dirk is outgunning any team, sorry little guy. Also Orlando Tmac was a 30PPG playmaker. Who exactly on your team can come anywhere close to matching my offensive firepower?
[QUOTE=DJMcDonald;14937541]My starting lineup is the following:
Nash
Tmac
AK
Dirk
Shaq
Nash running the pick & roll/pop with Shaq/Dirk is outgunning any team, sorry little guy. Also Orlando Tmac was a 30PPG playmaker. Who exactly on your team can come anywhere close to matching my offensive firepower?[/QUOTE]
I have the best offensive player of all time and the best shooter of all time, between Dirk,Nash,Shaq and McGrady you have absolutely zero defense in 4 out of 5 in your starting lineup
Jokic would completely dismantle your shit defense every single possession :lol
[QUOTE=Manny98;14937545]I have the best offensive player of all time and the best shooter of all time, between Dirk,Nash,Shaq and McGrady you have absolutely zero defense in 4 out of 5 in your starting lineup
Jokic would completely dismantle your shit defense every single possession :lol[/QUOTE]
Shaq and Dirk provide no defense? You have no idea what you're talking about. Nice Caruso pick :yaohappy:
[QUOTE=DJMcDonald;14937547]Shaq and Dirk provide no defense? You have no idea what you're talking about. Nice Caruso pick :yaohappy:[/QUOTE]
Shaq and Dirk aren't providing shit on the defensive end :roll:
You need athletic mobile guys that can switch in today's game
Imagine fielding Steve Nash, Shaq and Dirk at the same time and thinking you're going to get defensive stops against the teams we have on display here :roll:
[QUOTE=Manny98;14937548]Nash is the worst defender ever, Shaq would be a liability defending the pick and roll because he's not mobile enough if we're talking about 400 pounds Lakers Shaq, Dirk has never been known for his defense and McGrady is a shit defender as well[/QUOTE]
Everything you just said is wrong. Something tells me you've never seen Dirk or Tmac play. Who do you think Dirk was guarding when he was beating KG and Duncan in the playoffs:lol
And LA Shaq is a lot more mobile than Jokic is. That's the guy you want to guard MDE Shaq and you want to talk about my defensive liabilities? :lol
This guy really trying to claim Dirk was some elite defender :oldlol:
I have zero defensive liabilities, Jokic has always been a plus defender, Denver were significantly worse defensively when he was off the floor
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This is a shit defender according to Manny:facepalm
[QUOTE=Manny98;14937551]This guy really trying to claim Dirk was some elite defender :oldlol:
I have zero defensive liabilities, Jokic has always been a plus defender, Denver were significantly worse defensively when he was off the floor[/QUOTE]
Watch a game for once you won't look so stupid
McGrady is an elite defender now :roll:
I forgot I was speaking to a retard:roll:
[QUOTE=Manny98;14937548]Shaq and Dirk aren't providing shit on the defensive end :roll:
You need athletic mobile guys that can switch in today's game
Imagine fielding Steve Nash, Shaq and Dirk at the same time and thinking you're going to get defensive stops against the teams we have on display here :roll:[/QUOTE]
It honestly depends which version of Shaq he chooses. Younger, leaner mid 90s Orlando Shaq could move. He was a monster athlete. Shaq was a paint bully... when he tried he could lock down the most important part of the court.
Steve Nash was a poor defender but Luka is arguably even worse. Nash at least tried, Luka is literally just fat and lazy. So while iamigine does have a better defense because of his front court, his guards can be picked on. AK47 and young tmac before the back injuries could play serious defense as well.
The problem though is on the other side of the court. That Shaq Dirk inside out dynamic is far superior offensively to playoff Drob and KG. Shit... we saw Dirk light Garnetts squad up in the playoffs back in the early 2000s. And then he has Nash throwing oops and dimes to TMAC and Raptor Vince Carter and Shaq?
It would literally be a dunkathon. That team wouldn't rely on hot or cold 3pt spam. They would be dunking the ball over and over and over. With Dirk and Nash occasionally sniping.
[QUOTE=Manny98;14937554]McGrady is an elite defender now :roll:[/QUOTE]He picked his spots, but he was a good defender when he wanted to be. Should be no surprise due to how gifted he is.
[QUOTE=tpols;14937560]It honestly depends which version of Shaq he chooses. Younger, leaner mid 90s Orlando Shaq could move. He was a monster athlete. Shaq was a paint bully... when he tried he could lock down the most important part of the court.
Steve Nash was a poor defender but Luka is arguably even worse. Nash at least tried, Luka is literally just fat and lazy. So while iamigine does have a better defense because of his front court, his guards can be picked on. AK47 and young tmac before the back injuries could play serious defense as well.
The problem though is on the other side of the court. That Shaq Dirk inside out dynamic is far superior offensively to playoff Drob and KG. Shit... we saw Dirk light Garnetts squad up in the playoffs back in the early 2000s. And then he has Nash throwing oops and dimes to TMAC and Raptor Vince Carter and Shaq?
It would literally be a dunkathon. That team wouldn't rely on hot or cold 3pt spam. They would be dunking the ball over and over and over. With Dirk and Nash occasionally sniping.[/QUOTE]Shaq was definitely the laziest defender of the bunch. He had no business being consistently beat by the primitive pnr’s 20-30 years ago especially with how much of an athletic beast he was. He was just incredibly lazy hedging and closing out on shooters, which goes from bad back then to a complete death sentence today. But if you ever come into the paint Shaq has that shit locked down. Offensively, hack a Shaq is more effective in a higher ppp environment since Shaq’s ppp shooting free throws are going to be fixed and you’re probably not running another elite rebounder next to him.
[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14937569]Shaq was definitely the laziest defender of the bunch. He had no business being consistently beat by the primitive pnr’s 20-30 years ago especially with how much of an athletic beast he was. He was just incredibly lazy hedging and closing out on shooters, which goes from bad back then to a complete death sentence today. But if you ever come into the paint Shaq has that shit locked down. Offensively, hack a Shaq is more effective in a higher ppp environment since Shaq’s ppp shooting free throws are going to be fixed and you’re probably not running another elite rebounder next to him.[/QUOTE]
Yea a lot of that is true about Shaq, but I just don't see how anybody is guarding him on the other end. He straight up required a double in his prime pretty much every time, and it usually came from the opposing teams power forward. So what does a defense do when Dirk is the PF? They cant possibly double with Dirks man. And hack a Shaq with an 8 man roster is going to foul out your big men real quick. With that type of dynamic Shaq is going to be slam dunking in single coverage all day or Dirk is going to be taking wide open 3s. I don't really see a great defensive counter to this.
Thread is up
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[QUOTE=tpols;14937571]Yea a lot of that is true about Shaq, but I just don't see how anybody is guarding him on the other end. He straight up required a double in his prime pretty much every time, and it usually came from the opposing teams power forward. So what does a defense do when Dirk is the PF? They cant possibly double with Dirks man. And hack a Shaq with an 8 man roster is going to foul out your big men real quick. With that type of dynamic Shaq is going to be slam dunking in single coverage all day or Dirk is going to be taking wide open 3s. I don't really see a great defensive counter to this.[/QUOTE]
No one’s stopping early 2000’s mde Shaq, but the closest to ever containing him on a regular basis was Yao. He’d overpower Yao and get to the basket, but Yao would still bother him with his length especially when he doesn’t even have to leave the floor and made Shaq uncomfortable on the other end having to close out on his automatic shooting. Duncan was probably the best Shaq defender but did have help from oldman admiral in the earlier years.
Playoffs:
Shaq | 22.4 PTS 12.8 REB 2.2 AST 0.7 STL 2.8 BLK on 54.2% TS (Career 24.3 PTS on 56.5% TS)
Duncan | 25.6 PTS 13.0 REB 3.8 AST 0.9 STL 2.4 BLK on 54.7% TS (Career 20.6 PTS on 54.8% TS)
Regular Season Record: Shaq 18-14 Duncan
Playoffs Record: Shaq 15-15 Duncan
The stats are more even when you consider 5 games are old Suns Shaqtus, but the other 25 games were between rookie TD and 2004.
I’m hoping with Duncan and Wemby being able to replicate Yao’s length at the rim we can slow down Shaq ENOUGH to win.
I've been watching a lot of Orlando Shaq and tracking his games lately. He's actually kind of much worse on defense than I thought. He commits bad fouls including when he's in foul trouble and isn't as lazy in rotating as he just makes poor rotations. He frequently gets on islands on the perimeter when he should be in the paint. When he's vertical in the paint waiting for someone to come at him, he's very good at protecting the rim and he's a good post defender (like say vs. Hakeem in the 95 Finals he was playing good defense) but generally it's hard for me to see Orlando Shaq as even much of a positive on D. The 2000 or 2001 version is much better on defense. Fouls less, crashes the defensive glass more, stays in the paint and makes smarter rotations. Like a tier ahead easily.
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14937495]Bill Russell was a strong ball-handler, passer, and roll-and-cut finisher. He unfortunately played in an era that suppressed those offensive strengths. He was forced to take a lot of jump shots and post-up isolation plays which weren't his strengths. It helps to explain his scoring efficiency.
He's a 75% FG guy at the rim according to a 500-possession tracking sample from RealGM poster Dipper 13. There just weren't many good opportunities to get there for a guy with Bill's archetype because of the clogged paint and restrictive rules regarding dribbling, carrying, traveling, and offensive fouls (offensive players weren't allowed to anywhere near as physical as they are now).
Offensively, Bill in the modern game is an elite rim-runner who can handle the ball and pass like Joakim/Dray and slash like Ben Simmons/Giannis. He would lead the break and get 4-8 ppg from that alone. Add that to 13-15 ppg from rolling, cutting, face-up slashing, sealing, and put-backs. Add 6-8 assists and you've got a legitimate DHO/short-roll passing hub.
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Great post! :applause:
[QUOTE=dankok8;14937586]I've been watching a lot of Orlando Shaq and tracking his games lately. He's actually kind of much worse on defense than I thought. He commits bad fouls including when he's in foul trouble and isn't as lazy in rotating as he just makes poor rotations. He frequently gets on islands on the perimeter when he should be in the paint. When he's vertical in the paint waiting for someone to come at him, he's very good at protecting the rim and he's a good post defender (like say vs. Hakeem in the 95 Finals he was playing good defense) but generally it's hard for me to see Orlando Shaq as even much of a positive on D. The 2000 or 2001 version is much better on defense. Fouls less, crashes the defensive glass more, stays in the paint and makes smarter rotations. Like a tier ahead easily.[/QUOTE]
It's very clear to anyone willing to educate themselves. Orlando Shaq was missing a lot of intangibles, the small details in his game. He got by on his true 1 of 1 physical talent and strength.
2000 was the first time he acquired everything. He was much better at the little things, his dedication to defense was on point and just his overall mentality. I believe this was the ONLY year he put everything together in all facets of the game consistently.
[QUOTE=Carbine;14937612]It's very clear to anyone willing to educate themselves. Orlando Shaq was missing a lot of intangibles, the small details in his game. He got by on his true 1 of 1 physical talent and strength.
2000 was the first time he acquired everything. He was much better at the little things, his dedication to defense was on point and just his overall mentality. I believe this was the ONLY year he put everything together in all facets of the game consistently.[/QUOTE]
I agree but I think his 2001 playoffs is just as good as 2000 but he mailed it in during the regular season.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14937572]Thread is up
[url]https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2401477[/url][/QUOTE]
As expected, manny's team is laughed out of the room
[QUOTE=DJMcDonald;14937638]As expected, manny's team is laughed out of the room[/QUOTE]
Yeah because I value so much the opinions of a bunch of dweebs who have never touched a basketball
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14937493]Malone destroyed Robinson in the playoffs on both ends.
But yeah, I mean, most of the guys mentioned are unstoppable anyways 1 on 1 regardless. But you're sleeping on Malones strength and IQ in the post. He would definitely bully Embiid.[/QUOTE]
I dunno. I know what he brings. It would be a trade off for sure. I was watching some Malone stuff last night for fun after thinking about this. Dude is definitely solid on offense, but I dunno if I'd take Malone at C over someone like Amare (low key surprised nobody picked him, also.) Amare was not a good defender, but he could play C. I just really dunno if Malone could play C even though he did guard Cs sometimes. His ability to hurt people is underrated, but yeah he's strong and he will punish your hands/wrists with slaps, but against someone who can block him off with his body like a center should, it would be BBQ always. You'd think that he might get a few stops (Malone was also smart at pulling the chair,) but facing him over time, they would adapt.
Also remember whenever Malone guarded some other player, he was still at PF. He had a big body like Shaq (v Duncan) or Ostertag or Eaton.
I think it would be an interesting look to use, but I don't think I'd be like... like say you put it up on realgm that you were gonna start Malone at C, I think it would be like ehhh. Who knows, I haven't looked yet, maybe they did put it that way.
I remember when jeff would ban people for posting real gm haha, rip ish!
Edit: just looked. Rip team 8 also. **** these bummies and their votes. Plus, you don't decide which is better, you put them vs each other in a playoff. Aiyee.
-Smak
I think we all expected iamgine to win, but damn, that poll got like no votes :lol Definitely not enough of a sample size to determine how the rest of the teams stack up.