TRADE: Luka Doncic to Lakers, Anthony Davis to Mavericks

[QUOTE=dankok8;14975054]Dallas just got worse because relying on Kyrie + AD to stay healthy is a big gamble. Not to mention the team has no PG facilitator so even while they get better defensively, they get worse offensively. For LA, the move is also a lateral move at best given the poor Luka/Lebron fit but for them it's a long-term move. And honestly if they do keep Bron and can add a defensive C, they are better than they were. Probably still not enough to win it all but definitely not worse.

The only explanation for Dallas doing this is that Luka told them privately that he won't re-sign with them or they know something about his health that we and presumably the Lakers don't. I won't be shocked if Luka is much more motivated in LA, loses weight and plays better than he has recently. Wouldn't surprise me one bit![/QUOTE]



Conditioning is Lebron's thing and Luka idolizes Lebron so i would think some of that work ethic will rub off. Didn't Shaq lose weight after the Lakers traded him to Miami? Rejection can be a great motivator.

I keep hearing about AD playing the 4 now which would be a spacing disaster.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14975056]Conditioning is Lebron's thing and Luka idolizes Lebron so i would think some of that work ethic will rub off. Didn't Shaq lose weight after the Lakers traded him to Miami? Rejection can be a great motivator.

I keep hearing about AD playing the 4 now which would be a spacing disaster.[/QUOTE]
I honestly don't think this is a great setup for the Mavs. I agree AD at the 4 isn't ideal for spacing purposes, esp with their centers, but Kyrie being the main playmaker is an even bigger concern to me. He's clearly better suited as a teams secondary scoring option, which is why he thrived with LeBron taking over the lead playmaking role. I don't think being the main playmaker is a role that suits Kyrie's talents best.

We'll see how things play out, for all I know they can put everything together a make a deep playoff run, but it's not something I would necessarily bet on happening. You also have to imagine the morale with the Mavs players is low right now, they just got blindsided by their franchise player being shipped out in shocking fashion.

[QUOTE=dankok8;14975054]Dallas just got worse because relying on Kyrie + AD to stay healthy is a big gamble. Not to mention the team has no PG facilitator so even while they get better defensively, they get worse offensively. For LA, the move is also a lateral move at best given the poor Luka/Lebron fit but for them it's a long-term move. And honestly if they do keep Bron and can add a defensive C, they are better than they were. Probably still not enough to win it all but definitely not worse.

The only explanation for Dallas doing this is that Luka told them privately that he won't re-sign with them or they know something about his health that we and presumably the Lakers don't. I won't be shocked if [B]Luka is much more motivated in LA, loses weight and plays better than he has recently. [/B] Wouldn't surprise me one bit![/QUOTE]

If he gets in the loop with Lebrons doctor and "clinic" team everybody is in trouble. :lol

A lean, anabolic Luka would be scary.

[QUOTE=999Guy;14975047]Luka's been apart of a rebuild. Why would he want to do it again? He's gonna control his own destiny, I'm telling you. But we'll see.

The Lakers could pull off some magical shit but they are absolutely on the clock.

Luka was mentally ready to truly win an NBA finals series this year with Dallas. Being expected to scrap up a play in berth and then lose in the second round at best will sour him fast.[/QUOTE]

Lakers rebuild can happen in one offseason. They're quite good at these things somehow.

No doubt the current situation sucks for Luka, but I'm sure he knows his chances of winning a chip are greater being with LA vs Mavs because even if AD and Kyrie do, does anyone see them getting past the Celtics?

I think it's quite possible that Giannis could sign with Lakers as a free agent, but that's some time off isn't it?

Mavs allegedly could have gotten a second first round pick but would have had to let the Lakers talk to Doncic's agent. Determined to keep this quiet. But also with the supermax being at risk his agent might have scared the Lakers off.

I wonder if we will see owners start randomly trading stars for stars to get rid of the supermax? Maybe not likely but by being trade when Doncic is signed for"just" the max he becomes the #2 asset in the league (Wemby is first) because most of the rest of the top 10 players get supermax sooner or later. You don't expect the Lakers to trade him but you wouldn't expect Dallas to do it either and because he's making 10 or 20 mil less than market value he would be worth what, a top 10 player plus 3 firsts?

[QUOTE=90sgoat;14975119]I think it's quite possible that Giannis could sign with Lakers as a free agent, but that's some time off isn't it?[/QUOTE]

3 seasons

[QUOTE=tpols;14974999]Exactly. Outside of Wemby, SGA, Jokic and Giannis there's nobody Dallas could've got better than AD. And none of those guys are available.[/QUOTE]

No shit, they just shouldnt have done it.

Because millionaires need our sympathy and help, a thought just occurred to me:

It's highly unfair that a guy can lose the supermax for being traded. That clause should be reworked. It would be difficult to make it only apply to guys that request they be traded but if you are going to tie supermax to a player being moved that should be the consideration.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14975754]Because millionaires need our sympathy and help, a thought just occurred to me:

It's highly unfair that a guy can lose the supermax for being traded. That clause should be reworked. It would be difficult to make it only apply to guys that request they be traded but if you are going to tie supermax to a player being moved that should be the consideration.[/QUOTE]

This is your brain on obesity.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14975762]This is your brain on obesity.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry I ruined your life. Well not really.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14975764]I'm sorry I ruined your life. Well not really.[/QUOTE]

This would be true if my life was your BMI.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14975754]Because millionaires need our sympathy and help, a thought just occurred to me:

[B]It's highly unfair that a guy can lose the supermax for being traded[/B]. That clause should be reworked. It would be difficult to make it only apply to guys that request they be traded but if you are going to tie supermax to a player being moved that should be the consideration.[/QUOTE]

That is fukked up, and sets a bad precedent for teams trying to get up from under looming supermax deals. Granted, in Luka's case I suspect he's going to blow up even more now in a Lakers uniform, so he'll make back some of it in endorsements but still, that's not the point. It really feels like a punishment.

It is pretty ironic how a system that was built to help keep players staying with their original team is now forcing them away. :lol

I do have a feeling it’s more about the apron system rather than the hometown supermax bonus however.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14975765]This would be true if my life was your BMI.[/QUOTE]

Your life is shitposting. You stay up to all kinds of late hours shitposting. You contribute almost nothing in terms of real discussion but have 50 alts you drag out when banned because you can't live without shitposting. Telling you to kill yourself would be pointless because you clearly aren't living.

With Lebron dropping 40 and 30 point triple doubles this Laker team might actually be dangerous. He's averaging basically the same numbers he put up in his prime, a couple less points but completely made up for by more assists.

Basically it's prime Lebron + prime Luka. In LA where they be parade around and get the Pat Mahomes treatment in critical games.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Chiefs and Lakers won the respective championships. It's a money script. That's what the owners want and will try to influence. Only hope is somebody bucks the system ala 2011 Dallas. (ironically for this thread)

[QUOTE=Phoenix;14975766]That is fukked up, and sets a bad precedent for teams trying to get up from under looming supermax deals. Granted, in Luka's case I suspect he's going to blow up even more now in a Lakers uniform, so he'll make back some of it in endorsements but still, that's not the point. It really feels like a punishment.[/QUOTE]

I do wonder if in the future we will see the franchise's that are driven exclusively by profit (of which there are a lot) start trading 1st contract Allstars to each other to avoid the supermax. LA is not one of those franchise's but when you consider that Jaylen Brown is a supermax player and he's unlikely to ever be in the MVP discussion LA getting Doncic for something like 20 mil per year less than his supermax is a massive advantage.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14975772]Your life is shitposting. You stay up to all kinds of late hours shitposting. You contribute almost nothing in terms of real discussion but have 50 alts you drag out when banned because you can't live without shitposting. Telling you to kill yourself would be pointless because you clearly aren't living.[/QUOTE]

I live on the west coast you f.ucking moron. Welcome to a thing called “time zones”.

Your incompetent ass banned me for posting on an alt called warriorman that was obviously not me.

You are a fat idiot with no self awareness and the biggest joke of a mod in the history of the internet. You will probably have another spaz about this and ban me again for making fun of you meanwhile guys are spamming porn and spouting the n-word.


It is what it is.

[QUOTE=tpols;14975776]With Lebron dropping 40 and 30 point triple doubles this Laker team might actually be dangerous. He's averaging basically the same numbers he put up in his prime, a couple less points but completely made up for by more assists.

Basically it's prime Lebron + prime Luka. In LA where they be parade around and get the Pat Mahomes treatment in critical games.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Chiefs and Lakers won the respective championships. It's a money script. That's what the owners want and will try to influence. Only hope is somebody bucks the system ala 2011 Dallas. (ironically for this thread)[/QUOTE]

James is definitely not in his prime. Just this very season he took a week or two off. He is still capable of dominating a game but he's not going to dominate a season because at 40 he needs breaks. If Doncic was healthy right now and could be expected to almost never miss games so that James can take it easy until the playoffs they may have something dangerous but if James is going to have to regularly give that kind of effort he's not going to have enough left to get them past the Thunder or Nuggets.

Additionally the lake defense when Reeves Doncic and James are on the floor together will be terrible until and unless they get a great perimeter defender and a shot blocker. Lakers do have a strong foundation to build off of but they've only got two days to patch up the holes in their roster.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14975779]I live on the west coast you f.ucking moron. Welcome to a thing called “time zones”.

Your incompetent ass banned me for posting on an alt called warriorman that was obviously not me.

You are a fat idiot with no self awareness and the biggest joke of a mod in the history of the internet. You will probably have another spaz about this and ban me again for making fun of you meanwhile guys are spamming porn and spouting the n-word.


It is what it is.[/QUOTE]

"Warriorman?" Are you lying for the benefit of other posters? I banned your dumb ass because you demanded I do a better job as a mod. Keep your dumb shit to yourself when you're stalking the forum at 3am and I'll ignore you like I do most of the morons.

[QUOTE=tpols;14975776]With Lebron dropping 40 and 30 point triple doubles this Laker team might actually be dangerous. He's averaging basically the same numbers he put up in his prime, a couple less points but completely made up for by more assists.

[B]Basically it's prime Lebron + prime Luka. [/B]In LA where they be parade around and get the Pat Mahomes treatment in critical games.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Chiefs and Lakers won the respective championships. It's a money script. That's what the owners want and will try to influence. Only hope is somebody bucks the system ala 2011 Dallas. (ironically for this thread)[/QUOTE]

Prime Lebron at his best played defense on top of the offensive production, so not really. He can still produce, and the more I think about it the actual fit with Luka may not be as bad as I first thought, because I can see Lebron playing alot of pinch post area and working the baseline. He's going to get alot of assisted baskets from Luka if they give him full control. So there are still some stylistic similarities, but the difference from when he paired with Wade and later Westbrook is Luka can shoot. At this point Lebron should be morphing into more of a Karl Malone style circa 95 onwards.

But the biggest issue right now with them is obvious, AD was the heart and soul of their defense. The actual redundant player in all this may be Reaves, and I'm wondering if they will try to package him with Rui and a pick for a decent defensive big. Wouldn't also be the worst move to pick up Dwight Howard for pennies on the dollar if he can still provide 10-12 minutes of solid rebounding and defense, at least to get you through the rest of the season.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14975782]James is definitely not in his prime. Just this very season he took a week or two off. He is still capable of dominating a game but he's not going to dominate a season because at 40 he needs breaks. If Doncic was healthy right now and could be expected to almost never miss games so that James can take it easy until the playoffs they may have something dangerous but if James is going to have to regularly give that kind of effort he's not going to have enough left to get them past the Thunder or Nuggets.

Additionally the lake defense when Reeves Doncic and James are on the floor together will be terrible until and unless they get a great perimeter defender and a shot blocker. Lakers do have a strong foundation to build off of but they've only got two days to patch up the holes in their roster.[/QUOTE]

Lebron doesn't need to dominate the season. Luka will be back on Saturday and the Lakers already have a great record so he can pretty much coast and recharge til the playoffs.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14975788]"Warriorman?" Are you lying for the benefit of other posters? I banned your dumb ass because you demanded I do a better job as a mod. Keep your dumb shit to yourself when you're stealing the cupful at 3am and I'll ignore you like I do most of the morons.[/QUOTE]

You banned a gimmick account called “warriorman” and extended the ban you gave me after I told you go shove a teriyaki stick up your ass.

It was obvious I was not the account warriormn but you are literally a fat idiot who can’t do any sort of due diligence and had some paranoid ideation that I was avoiding your ban.

You are fat, incompetent, and low iq.

[QUOTE=tpols;14975791]Lebron doesn't need to dominate the season. Luka will be back on Saturday and the [B]Lakers already have a great record[/B] so he can pretty much coast and recharge til the playoffs.[/QUOTE]

Minny and the Clippers are both within striking difference, the latter especially with Kawhi back( though for how long is anyone's guess). I'm not sure they should be coasting as much as trying to get the 4th seed or at least hold onto the 5th. Then again, dropping to 6th or 7th could line them up against Houston and the Grizzlies and those teams are young. I'd take the Lakers in either situation.

[QUOTE=tpols;14975791]Lebron doesn't need to dominate the season. Luka will be back on Saturday and the Lakers already have a great record so he can pretty much coast and recharge til the playoffs.[/QUOTE]

Doncic is believed to have gotten hurt largely due to his poor conditioning. He may fix that problem by next season but it's impossible for him to have gotten in proper shape while rehabbing. He'll be in and out and the Lakers still only have two days to get the necessary defensive help.

And another xfactor that may or may not be worked out quickly is how James and Doncic will play together. The first year with the Heat James and Wade weren't sure how they would work together and Doncic and James will be trying to figure it out in half a season with no training camp.

If they do something like trading for Robert Williams (and he stays healthy) and finds a great perimeter defender I could see them taking the West but it's more likely going to take them a full offseason to make the needed moves. They got lucky with Dallas calling them up and offering Doncic. And it still took a few weeks. Don't expect the other deals to be that easy.

[QUOTE=Phoenix;14975794]Minny and the Clippers are both within striking difference, the latter especially with Kawhi back( though for how long is anyone's guess). I'm not sure they should be coasting as much as trying to get the 4th seed or at least hold onto the 5th. Then again, dropping to 6th or 7th could line them up against Houston and the Grizzlies and those teams are young. I'd take the Lakers in either situation.[/QUOTE]

Home court advantage isn't necessary but stay out of the play-in. Basketball is a game where the best team doesn't always win, an ankle injury that normally takes Doncic or James out for two or three games would end their season.

AD and LeBron both for Luka would’ve been way more interesting IMO.

If Dallas added Davis and LeBron would they be favorites?

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14975796]Doncic is believed to have gotten hurt largely due to his poor conditioning. [B]He may fix that problem by next season but it's impossible for him to have gotten in proper shape while rehabbing.[/B] He'll be in and out and the Lakers still only have two days to get the necessary defensive help.

And another xfactor that may or may not be worked out quickly is how James and Doncic will play together. The first year with the Heat James and Wade weren't sure how they would work together and Doncic and James will be trying to figure it out in half a season with no training camp.

If they do something like trading for Robert Williams (and he stays healthy) and finds a great perimeter defender I could see them taking the West but it's more likely going to take them a full offseason to make the needed moves. They got lucky with Dallas calling them up and offering Doncic. And it still took a few weeks. Don't expect the other deals to be that easy.[/QUOTE]


We don't know all of the inside information regarding that so everything you're saying here is pure speculation. Luka may have been straight up holding out because he didn't like his bosses and was openly disrespecting them in meetings. He's the "bad boy" remember? That doesn't end off the court.

None of this stuff is spontaneous or without reason. Obviously something went down behind the scenes and they covered it up.

Honestly the Lakers look fine recently. Adding Luka will let Lebron take a backseat until the PS and be 100% fresh. To me, they are the second most dangerous team in the West after OKC. All other teams have bigger question marks than the Lakers. Winning a ring without more moves will not be easy but not impossible IMO. One or two injuries say SGA goes down and then they face the Knicks in the Finals...

tpols still claiming 40 year old LeBron is in his prime :lol

[QUOTE=dankok8;14975812]Honestly the Lakers look fine recently. Adding Luka will let Lebron take a backseat until the PS and be 100% fresh. To me, they are the second most dangerous team in the West after OKC. All other teams have bigger question marks than the Lakers. Winning a ring without more moves will not be easy but not impossible IMO. One or two injuries say SGA goes down and then they face the Knicks in the Finals...[/QUOTE]

That's exactly what I'm saying. Lebron and Luka can even take turns on the way there with load management. They're going to be fresh as **** come playoffs and are probably aiming to face Houston.

[QUOTE=tpols;14975808]We don't know all of the inside information regarding that so everything you're saying here is pure speculation. Luka may have been straight up holding out because he didn't like his bosses and was openly disrespecting them in meetings. He's the "bad boy" remember? That doesn't end off the court.

None of this stuff is spontaneous or without reason. Obviously something went down behind the scenes and they covered it up.[/QUOTE]

Doncic's bad conditioning isn't just me speculating it's known fact. He is chubby. "Bad boy" Luka disrespecting his bosses is the rumor and speculation here.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14975813]tpols still claiming 40 year old LeBron is in his prime :lol[/QUOTE]

Ya that's crazy haha

But still a super fresh old Lebron has to scare the league. Who's to say he can't play at 80% of prime Lebron level for 20 games. Like maybe only a slightly worse version of bubble Lebron. It's possible...

Old lebron with Davis and Kyrie in Dallas could’ve been scary.

Old lebron with just Luka on this weak Lakers team is gonna disappoint for sure.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14975813]tpols still claiming 40 year old LeBron is in his prime :lol[/QUOTE]

Lebron spends millions of dollars taking care of himself every year while MJ used to smoke, drink, and gamble to an extreme degree.

He is still in his prime and the statistics support it which is why you and Pheonix have no metric based argument... just emojis and one liners.

Luka is going to allow Lebron to rest more than ever.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14975813]tpols still claiming 40 year old LeBron is in his prime :lol[/QUOTE]

It’s purely for your response at this point I think.

[QUOTE=tpols;14975824]Lebron spends millions of dollars taking care of himself every year while MJ used to smoke, drink, and gamble to an extreme degree.

He is still in his prime and the statistics support it which is why you and Pheonix have no metric based argument... just emojis and one liners.

Luka is going to allow Lebron to rest more than ever.[/QUOTE]
Do you think this version of LeBron is leading the Cavs to 66 wins in '09? Or leading the Cavs to the Finals in 2018?

[QUOTE=tpols;14975824]Lebron spends millions of dollars taking care of himself every year while MJ used to smoke, drink, and gamble to an extreme degree.

He is still in his prime and the statistics support it which is why you and Pheonix have no metric based argument... just emojis and one liners.

Luka is going to allow Lebron to rest more than ever.[/QUOTE]

LeBron has come out and said he laughs at the absurd number of money people say he spends on his body. He says sleep at the end of the day (no pun) is the best form of recovery.

The obsession on Doncic conditioning and weight is kinda weird.

The guy played 70 games last year on very high minutes. Scored the most points in the league. Rebounds at a high level. Got his team to the finals where they finally lost to a juggernaut team.

Results matter. I don’t care what his weight is if he is getting those types of results. It’s completely irrelevant.

I don’t know what more they want from him really. At some point you are who you are. Asking Luka to get any better of a motor is like telling Giannis to get better at free throws. They both are giving it all they have. They aren’t going to tap into this huge extra level by dedicating all of their free time to it. That’s just not how it works.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14975828]LeBron has come out and said he laughs at the absurd number of money people say he spends on his body. He says sleep at the end of the day (no pun) is the best form of recovery.[/QUOTE]

We all sleep every night. None of us are Lebron. He clearly has the perfect combination of genetics and physical care routine to make his body be prime and optimal for as long as possible.

And high tech PEDs. Which I have no problem with. I'd take them to if I had a connect and they made me stronger.