Phil Jackson: Rodman is the greatest athlete I've ever coached

[QUOTE=Loki]More nonsense. Any professional long or high-jumper 6'3" or better can dunk from where Jordan did. Rodman can't. Any professional sprinter can outrun Jordan on the court; Rodman couldn't.

Keep throwing out non-sequiturs, though. It seems that's all you're good for.[/QUOTE]
and i tried to find jordans and rodmans 40 times and or a race and i cant find either can you?

[QUOTE=RainierBeachPoet]directly the interview, pj defines "athleticism" as:

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[QUOTE=RainierBeachPoet]from the context of the interview, it seems like pj defines "athleticism" as:

“He could probably play a 48-minute game and play the 48th minute stronger than the first minute of the game,” Jackson told the crowd at UND. “He was that terrific an athlete.”

so, could this be interpreted as the ability to play stronger at the end of a game when everyone else is spent?

i was always amazed at rodman's ability to stop the best players and throw them off their game. he was the one guy that gave magic fits because of his combined length, quickness and strength. dennis was an extremely heady player on the court[/QUOTE]

<shrug> It's also possible he simply meant endurance. Rodman seemed to be able to play at a high level for an unlimited amount of time. Of course Jordan was never one to take a play off either.

There's never going to be a clear cut answer to the question, no matter what some people on here believe.

People like Loki should be respected for the amount of statistical and historical knowledge of a player they have managed to attain, yet ridiculed for their narrow-minded inability to see the faults in a player, or admit that their is a possibility that someone could have been better than them given different circumstances.

In his own way he's as bad as the Kobe groupies on this site, he's just more knowledgeable about his chosen icon.

In short, he's bias, and for that single reason, I have completely dismissed and refused to reply to any and all comments he's made.

I happen to respect both Rodman, AND Jordan, and both players equally amazed me for different reasons. If Jordan had focused entirely on rebounding and defense, I believe he could have given Rodman a run for his money.

Both players were among the top athletes of their era or any era, both players are among the most mentally focused individuals to ever play the game. Both have a great understanding of the game from both the offensive and defensive standpoints.

Rodman will forever be underrated because he chose the tougher, less respected path.

However, to fail to acknowledge these things in either player just makes this a sad, sad, discussion.

Mathius

[QUOTE=RainierBeachPoet]directly the interview, pj defines "athleticism" as:

[I] “He could probably play a 48-minute game and play the 48th minute stronger than the first minute of the game,” Jackson told the crowd at UND. “He was that terrific an athlete.”[/I]

so, could this be interpreted as the ability to play stronger at the end of a game when everyone else is spent?

i was always amazed at rodman's ability to stop the best players and throw them off their game. he was the one guy that gave magic fits because of his combined length, quickness and strength. dennis was an extremely heady player on the court[/QUOTE]

Yeah, he's talking about stamina. I could almost believe that (though Jordan had more stamina than him imo when you consider everything he did for the team -- think late 80's/early 90's -- Rodman was elite in that respect). But you now have people trying to act like Rodman is an elite run/jump athlete, which he isn't.

[quote]and i tried to find jordans and rodmans 40 times and or a race and i cant find either can you?[/quote]

Jordan ran a 4.3 second 40 at UNC in his sophomore year, and also did so on some celebrity athlete game show in the late 80's/early 90's where he raced with Deion Sanders. The UNC time is mentioned here:

[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/flashbacks/jordan/831128/[/url]

More than that, however, it's simply something you can see on the court. You can actually time it, too.

[QUOTE=Mathius]or admit that their is a possibility that someone could have been better than them given different circumstances.
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I'd have no trouble admitting it if it were at all plausible. Rodman simply would have never been a dominant offensive player. Could he have been a 15-17 ppg/50% guy? Possibly. 32 ppg/50%? No.

[QUOTE=Loki]Yeah, he's talking about stamina. I could almost believe that (though Jordan had more stamina than him imo when you consider everything he did for the team -- think late 80's/early 90's -- Rodman was elite in that respect). But you now have people trying to act like Rodman is an elite run/jump athlete, which he isn't.



Jordan ran a 4.3 second 40 at UNC in his sophomore year, and also did so on some celebrity athlete game show in the late 80's/early 90's where he raced with Deion Sanders. The UNC time is mentioned here:

[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/flashbacks/jordan/831128/[/url]

More than that, however, it's simply something you can see on the court. You can actually time it, too.[/QUOTE]
thats fast and i remember the sanders race and sanders who i believe ran consistant 4.3s smoked him like a philly blunt on a friday night.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]thats fast and i remember the sanders race and sanders who i believe ran consistant 4.3s smoked him like a philly blunt on a friday night.[/QUOTE]

Well, that's what he was timed at on the show. Maybe you were watching a different show? :oldlol: By the way, no one ever said Sanders isn't as fast as Jordan, but Rodman sure wasn't.

[QUOTE=Loki]Well, that's what he was timed at on the show. Maybe you were watching a different show? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
or maybe there wasnt a show to begin with. hmmm. but are you now trying to say that jordan is as fast as sanders? and to be honest in that particular race he may have run a 4.3 but i really dont think he could run consistant 4.3s maybe a consistant 4.4 or 4.5 at the fastest. but i looked it up and sanders fastest time is 4.07.

[QUOTE=Loki]Well, that's what he was timed at on the show. Maybe you were watching a different show? :oldlol: By the way, no one ever said Sanders isn't as fast as Jordan, but Rodman sure wasn't.[/QUOTE]
neither jordan or rodman is as fast as sanders. and i just dont think that a young rodman and jordan is that much different atletically.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]or maybe there wasnt a show to begin with. hmmm. [/QUOTE]

Uhh, sure -- a show that I and millions of others saw. Okay.

[QUOTE=Loki]Uhh, sure -- a show that I and millions of others saw. Okay.[/QUOTE]
who won the race? and by how much? what was the name of the show? lol

maybe he was on american gladiators.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]who won the race? and by how much? what was the name of the show? lol[/QUOTE]

Wait, I thought you said you saw Sanders smoke him like a blunt. Yeah, it's clear what I'm dealing with here. Toodles.

[QUOTE=Loki]Wait, I thought you said you saw Sanders smoke him like a blunt. Yeah, it's clear what I'm dealing with here. Toodles.[/QUOTE]
i was joking, we all know there is no show.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]i was joking, we all know there is no show.[/QUOTE]

Whatever you say, buddy. :oldlol: