Where are the Hornets gonna move to? Seattle or Vegas?

[QUOTE=SourGrapes]i partially agree with showtime, so am i to assume you think i'm an ignorant jack ass?

i don't mean to be malevolent, but i think people could leave if they wanted to, and the hurricane situation isn't going to get any better in the near future.

it doesn't make sense to continuously go back to a place that is so disastrous.[/QUOTE]

2 hurricanes don't make a whole area disastrous. It's been fine for like 100 years. The people that stay have no money. How the hell can they set up in a new city? There is help there for them (in time) in New Orleans, there is no help for them in other cities.

The people we are talking about are not likely to be kids that post on ISH from nice families, they are poor people. It's very hard to get poor people to change.

[QUOTE=JayGuevara]Just outta curiosity, for all of you that are siding with Showtime and disagreeing with these people for not gettin the hell outta Dodge, where do folks reside?[/QUOTE]

I agree with much of what Showtime says, although he still has a few misses. I live near Chicago. Nature does not forcibly displace me from my home every 3rd year. Rather, it just irritates the **** out of us.

[quote=SourGrapes]i partially agree with showtime, so am i to assume you think i'm an ignorant jack ass?

i don't mean to be malevolent, but i think people could leave if they wanted to, and the hurricane situation isn't going to get any better in the near future.

it doesn't make sense to continuously go back to a place that is so disastrous.[/quote]
You miss the point. Katrina doesn't come around often and people can't predict a national disaster. The gulf coast gets it hard because they get flooded but if they don't it's not something that they can't recover from.

New Orleans is not what it was 4 years ago and a big portion of the people didn't come back. The city was still rebuilding and "America" was behind that because as most know this country is known for doing whatever it takes to fight back against the odds and help people get back on their feet.

Some of you haven't seen poverty and probably never had to pay the bills. A big portion of the people that came back did because they're homes were all they had. They don't have any savings and that land is all they have thats worth something. A lot of them have family history there too as easy as it may seem, it's not that easy to move on.

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It's not as easy as buying a plane ticket, and some can't even afford that. Nobody is going to buy that land from them and they can't survive elsewhere because they don't have any saving, especially after katrina.

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[QUOTE=Se

[QUOTE=SourGrapes]southern california. and if my house was threatened once every few years with a natural disaster i would do everything i could to leave.[/quote]

So if in 2005 instead of Katrina a major earthquake had hit in LA and now 3 years later another one hit you're saying you would view yourself as not deserving empathy because you should have known better after the first quake?

If you agree with that than yes you're an ignorant jack ass.

[QUOTE=SourGrapes]this is a problem that is part of a bigger cycle when people settle...and as a result the south as a whole takes in more government aid than it produces in gdp.[/QUOTE]

Whats with the regional prejudice? People in the south deserve aid just as much as anyone else. More evidence of you being an ignorant jack ass.

Here's a quote from an article on poverty in new orleans before Katrina.

[URL="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9163091/"]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9163091/[/URL]

[quote]Sixty-seven percent of New Orleans' residents are black. And huge numbers of them are poor. [B]Nearly 30 percent of people in New Orleans live below the poverty line, and only a handful of large American cities have lower household incomes than the Big Easy.[/B]

For young, distressed Katrina victims, it’s even worse: Only Mississippi next door has a higher child poverty rate than Louisiana. [B]According to estimates, half of all children in Louisiana live in poverty.[/B]
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And some numbers for you
[URL="http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2006/0306wagneredwards.html"]http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2006/0306wagneredwards.html[/URL]

[quote]
[B]Rank of New Orleans compared to other large cities with population over 100,000:[/B]

Percentage of population that is African-American: [B]5th[/B]
Percentage of population in poverty: [B]8th[/B]

[B]Rank of Louisiana compared to other states:[/B]

Percent of population living in poverty areas: [B]1st[/B]
Percent of population born in state of residence: [B]1st[/B]
Lowest median household income: [B]3rd[/B]
Portion of households headed by single women with children: [B]2nd[/B]
Portion of workforce that is unemployed: [B]3rd[/B]

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[QUOTE=Hoggle]I'm not trying to be mean here, but after this hurricane is over there should be no more donations going out for people to rebuild their lives in that city. Yes it is home to a great amount of people, but living under sea level between a huge lake and the Gulf of Mexico with the disastrous weather that is only getting worse each year seems like an uphill battle. How many more billions of dollars are gonna be spent repairing a city in between hurricanes before insurance companies and donation centers pay them to rebuild elsewhere (Surely there is other things we can spend billions of dollars on that are just as worthy). I say ship the NO Hornets to Seattle and give another great city a NBA team again. I hope every gets out of that city with all their cherished possessions, and hopefully this wont happen again. I'm sure we can just move party city to another city. As for football, i don't know how well the Saints would do in SA. Seattle seems to be the best place to relocate the Hornets though, I'm sure they would have no problem selling out most of their games with how well the Hornets are doing and how much Seattle wants a team back.[/QUOTE]

its a good thing you aren't a politician. nor do you realize how bads your life would be without new orleans, its port, and oil production.

I believe somewhere in North Florida? Jacksonville or in South East united states would be best

[QUOTE=JohnRuck]its a good thing you aren't a politician. nor do you realize how bads your life would be without new orleans, its port, and oil production.[/QUOTE]

A city is not a prerequisite of a port or oil production...

[QUOTE=JordanL]I just got off the phone with my sister, who's alright.

She couldn't get out though. You know why? She literally doesn't have enough money to get to the nearest open shelter, which is in San Antonio.

It goes beyond that though. During a hurricane they do something called contraflow on the streets. All the streets, all lanes, head out of state. Every single road leads to the border. And it literally can take about a month before you can get back into the state.

So if you leave, not only do you need the money to get out of the state, which with gas prices is not trivial, but you need the money to survive, without an income, for about a month at least, and then you have to come back and get the things you can salvage before leaving permanently.

When you stay in a shelter it isn't free. You have to pay for meals. She literally doesn't have enough money to pay for her, her husband and her 6 month old kid to eat for a month without any supporting income.

Additionally her husband is a state trooper so he'd have to stay anyway to help evacuate people.

Showtime, it costs money to move. More than it costs to rebuild. It costs [b]thousands[/b] of dollars to move out of state. The only way they can accomplish that is if they use the money the government gives them to replace their lost items, and instead use it to move.

Which if they did they'd literally have a couple of changes of cloths and some blankets. No furniture, no job, nothing.

In 12 hours I'm not gonna be able to contact her anymore. Her house is most likely going to be completely destroyed, and/or looted, and I won't even know if she's okay until next Thursday.

[B]The fact that you crticize the choices these people have to make from so ****ing far away is the most heinous, rediculous thing I've ever heard on this forum. You're a waste of a human being if you honestly think [i]you[/i] have any perspective on the choices those people have to make, and you can ****ing die in a ditch for all I care.[/B]

And FYI, she lives in West Louissianna, near the Texas border.[/QUOTE]


And all throughout the thread I have been saying time and time again that I have been referring to [b]THE PEOPLE WHO, AFTER KATRINA HAD TAKEN OUT THEIR HOMES, HAD THE MEANS AND RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO RELOCATE, AND YET RETURNED.

HOW CAN I MAKE IT ANY MORE CLEAR THAT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT EVERY PERSON? HOW CAN I SAY IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN WITHOUT YOU NOT UNDERSTANDING?[/b]

I also have NOT been critical, demeaning, or insulting to the victicms of these storms. [b]I'm simply saying that I don't feel sorry for every single person, because there are many of them that COULD have left, had the MEANS and OPPORTUNITY to leave, yet made the CHOICE to stay.[/b] I'm not saying they made a bad choice, I'm just saying I won't be obligated to feel a certain way because of the choice they made. That's all. [B]I wasn't criticizing them[/B], I was saying my empathy has limitations. That's it, end of story.

How the fck can you not understand this? Are you people really that stupid? I haven't said a single negative thing about these people, and yet I'm the one getting insulted by you morons. Die in a ditch? Why don't you take your own advice, because the world would be a better place without people as dumb as you.

[QUOTE=Se

[quote=Showtime]And all throughout the thread I have been saying time and time again that I have been referring to [B]THE PEOPLE WHO, AFTER KATRINA HAD TAKEN OUT THEIR HOMES, HAD THE MEANS AND RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO RELOCATE, AND YET RETURNED.

HOW CAN I MAKE IT ANY MORE CLEAR THAT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT EVERY PERSON? HOW CAN I SAY IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN WITHOUT YOU NOT UNDERSTANDING?[/B]

I also have NOT been critical, demeaning, or insulting to the victicms of these storms. [B]I'm simply saying that I don't feel sorry for every single person, because there are many of them that COULD have left, had the MEANS and OPPORTUNITY to leave, yet made the CHOICE to stay.[/B] I'm not saying they made a bad choice, I'm just saying I won't be obligated to feel a certain way because of the choice they made. That's all. [B]I wasn't criticizing them[/B], I was saying my empathy has limitations. That's it, end of story.

How the fck can you not understand this? Are you people really that stupid? I haven't said a single negative thing about these people, and yet I'm the one getting insulted by you morons. Die in a ditch? Why don't you take your own advice, because the world would be a better place without people as dumb as you.


Cool, because I would really rather not have to deal with a person who is stupid enough to think I have been "poking fun" at flood victims.[/quote]

You are referring to a very small portion of the population (the rich) then...

[QUOTE=Godfather]You are referring to a very small portion of the population (the rich) then...[/QUOTE]So now you have to be a millionaire to not go back? Wow...

I will disagree with you here. Many people stayed with family and friends, and ended up not going back. I met people from Houston who moved after the flooding a few years ago. I met other people who moved from Katrina, and as far as I know they weren't well off. I'm not saying everybody can do it, but I'm saying you don't have to be rich to do it.

Oh, and anybody better not say jack about my situation, because I'm on the poverty line. I'm not dirt poor, but I make due and if you think I feel this way because I'm some spoiled rich kid, then you can go to hell because you criticize me for not understanding another situation, then right after insult me without knowing sh!t about me.

[quote=Showtime]So now you have to be a millionaire to not go back? Wow...

I will disagree with you here. Many people stayed with family and friends, and ended up not going back. I met people from Houston who moved after the flooding a few years ago. I met other people who moved from Katrina, and [B]as far as I know they weren't well off[/B]. I'm not saying everybody can do it, but I'm saying you don't have to be rich to do it.[/quote]
You don't have to be a millionaire to be rich :banghead:. Many of these people are poverty stricken or from the lower middle class. They could not afford to abandon their residence in New Orleans and live somewhere else. Only a small percentage of the people (less than 20%) reallocated to a different area. Don't act as if just because your semi rich friends did the entire population of New Orleans has the means to reallocate.

[QUOTE=Godfather]You don't have to be a millionaire to be rich :banghead:. Many of these people are poverty stricken or from the lower middle class. They could not afford to abandon their residence in New Orleans and live somewhere else. Only a small percentage of the people (less than 20%) reallocated to a different area. Don't act as if just because your semi rich friends did the entire population of New Orleans has the means to reallocate.[/QUOTE]
Semi rich? Ok smartass, what is your definition of "rich"? What is the government's? Please enlighten me.

Once again: you don't have to be rich to have a chance at relocating. And I'm only talking about those people who have that chance.

I'm tired of these New Orleans apologists come up with any tiny reason not to move. It's not like people need to relocate to another state. Just go a bit north in Louisiana and start there. However poor you may be, relocating is a small cost compared to having all of your possessions ruined every few years, and being out of work for weeks or months because of it. Move to Baton Rouge for crying out loud.