Jordan 69 pt game vs Kobe 81 point game

"Well the NBA is in great hands, but if I had to pick the single greatest player on the planet, I take Kobe Bryant, without hesitation."

MJ knows what's up!!!!!!

[QUOTE=millencolin735]Now it's true that era of basketball was far more difficult to score in but Jordan was absolutely not being abused, I've seen the game quite a few times and they played straight up on MJ with Ehlo (who he always abused) and Mark Price. Even with the handchecking rules players of today would have theyre way with those players.

Now obviously Jordan had the better allaround game but c'mon it's 8 freakin 1 points, to many of you guys act like it's just a walk in the park. I think it's a shame how so many people try to discredit it when they should just sit back and admire it for what it is, a damn great accomplishment.[/QUOTE]

It's because people have the need to take things away from Kobe.

If I got a nickle for every time someone said that any other star guard could win rings with Shaq I'd be a rich man. However, you don't hear the same about Wade for example.
It's just that. People hate Kobe so they use double standards and what if excuses. It's utterly pathetic.

I'm a huge Jordan fan...

And I know the 81 point game is a way bigger accomplishment. Kobe wasn't playing chopped liver. But he was MAKING them look like chopped liver, but the defense wasn't THAT bad. He wasn't playing pre-schoolers. He was facing the same caliber defense, that Mike faced to notch 69 (in overtime), against guards that weren't even close enough to contend with Michael's jumper, or athletic ability. Kobe went up against people who were of similar athletic ability, quickness, and length. These were modern PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL PLAYERS. No excuse in the world can be made for that accomplishment. If you try to diminish that, you simply aren't a fan of the game of basketball. And you are just hating on a player, and a ridiculous all-time performance, for the sake of hating.

The scary part is, 62 in 33 minutes is a better accomplishment than both of those. Kobe had 51 in 3 quarters, the game he scored 81. Kobe had 62 points, outscoring the entire Mavericks roster, through 3 quarters of play. That is disgusting its so good. Imagine if he played the fourth, and had another 30 point quarter or more? He could've exceeded 90 points. His effeciency in both games was ri-god damn-diculous. Inside. Outside. Beyond area code range. It's all there. Seriously, both performances out due Jordan's 69.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6l7MHr4Wag[/url]

This is the video of Jordan's 69 points.

As far as the comparison goes, I think it's clear that Kobe's 81 in 42 minutes were more impressive than Jordan's 69 in 50. Jordan, OTOH, had the better all-around performance, with 10 rebounds and 4 assists more than Kobe. If you adjust playing times, Kobe's performance comes closer, but I don't really like these specific adjustments, so I won't assume things.

IMO, the best individual Reg.Season performance since 1990 was that Karl Malone's game against the Bucks in 1990, where he had 61 points on 21/26 shots and 19/23 FT's, 18 rebounds and 3 steals in 33 minutes.

Im too lazy to look it up, but I think in like 2001 or so Shaq had a 61 and 20 game on his birthday. I would probably give that the best single all around game ever.

[QUOTE=KillaBee]Im too lazy to look it up, but I think in like 2001 or so Shaq had a 61 and 20 game on his birthday. I would probably give that the best single all around game ever.[/QUOTE]

It was agaisnt the then hopeless clippers and he got infinite passes from his teammates because it was "on his birthday". It was kinda watered-down just like how D-Rob edged him in ppg by scoring 71 points in that one last game of season 95.

[quote]Kobe went up against people who were of similar athletic ability, quickness, and length. These were modern PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL PLAYERS. No excuse in the world can be made for that accomplishment.[/quote]
Um Kobe went against MoPete for maybe like 15 minutes of the game cause he was always in foul trouble. you know who was guarding him for most of that? Nobody good, I'll tell you that much. He was rarely doubleteamed. It's a difference of 12 points while Jordan wasn't statpadding at the end; the game went down to the wire, and Jordan had the 18 boards and 6 assists to boot.

I can't speak to whether the Cavs defense was better than the Raptors defense but I'm betting it was. The Cavs were a playoff team; the Raps were near the bottom of the league.

[quote]OMG, a PLAYOFF team guys...a PLAYOFF team, I recall Kobe dropping 62 points in THREE quarters on the western conference championsions last season...that's more impressive then 81 or 69 by Jordan to me.[/quote]
I agree with this. 62 in 3 quarters against the best team in the West is absolutely phenominal. The Mavs had/have one of the best defenses in the league, and unlike the Raps, had 2 very good shotblockers in the middle. Kobe was on pace for over 80 in that one too, but had already outscored the conference champs BY HIMSELF after 3 quarters so he didn't even need to play.

[QUOTE=04mzwach]Jordan is better than Kobe. Seriously, how many times do we have to go through this Kobe 81 and Jordan 69 business? We all know that Jordan would have 200 points in a game or something like that compared to Kobe's measley 81 points in a game with versus one of the ****tiest teams in the entire universe on top of that and with Jordan facing the best team with basketball abilities in equivilance to God.
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yes, jordan is the greatest player ever. but wtf does jordan being better than kobe have to do with who had the better game?

If mj had gotten his stats in regulation I would agree it was a better overall game. However he had 5 EXTRA MINUTES to further increase them. Can we find kobe's stats per minute, extrapolate what he would done had the game gone into overtime, and then compare them to mj's game? :rolleyes:

michael jordan's performance is more empressive.... Kobe's just number (stat) impressive

handcheck rules...

if MJ played with handchecks today, he'll average 40ppg

rules changed now cause lotta these new young cats cant score, the young players get convinced by the money-making agents that thy can turn pro, but the fact is they're not ready, many dunno how to shoot a jumper and too skinny for the pros

the points scored every game is lower n lower by the season, so they made the handcheck rules to rise the points scored in games...

sh!t, i think 0 points and 18 rebounds is already impressive enough for a 6'6" guard.

[QUOTE=ManUtd]"Well the NBA is in great hands, but if I had to pick the single greatest player on the planet, I take Kobe Bryant, without hesitation."

MJ knows what's up!!!!!![/QUOTE]

Except he never said "Well the NBA is in great hands" or "without hesitation" in fact you got the whole god damn quote wrong.

[quote]Kobe's just number (stat) impressive[/quote]
I'm more impressed by 69/18/6 in a nailbiting overtime game against a playoff team than I am 81/nothing/nothing with about 15 of those points coming when the game was long over against a cellar dweller with some of the worst D in the nation.

Hell, a guard getting 18 rebounds and 6 assists, without the points, is one of the most impressive things that can happen IMO. how many guards have gotten 18 boards? SFs even?

[QUOTE=geeWiz15]
I can't speak to whether the Cavs defense was better than the Raptors defense but I'm betting it was. The Cavs were a playoff team; the Raps were near the bottom of the league.[/QUOTE]
Umm, the defenders Kobe actually faced were better than the defenders Jordan faced. The Cavs were a playoff team at that time, but that doesn't mean Jordan faced better caliber defenders. Jordan was guarded that game by Ehlo (whom he routinely torched, and couldn't match up physically), he was guarded by little / un-athletic Mark Price. Think about that. In today's league, that would be like Kobe getting iso's all game + overtime agains Steve Nash and Bobby Sura. Instead Kobe faced Mo Pete, Jalen Rose, and combos with other athletic players, splitting double teams with behind the back dribbles like it was his job. Kobe's 81 is far more impressive. Not as complete, all-around, but 81 points, and single handedly leading a team back from a deficit and scoring 55 in ONE HALF is a more amazing game than 69 and 18 in 50 minutes of play.

[QUOTE=Money 23]Umm, the defenders Kobe actually faced were better than the defenders Jordan faced. The Cavs were a playoff team at that time, but that doesn't mean Jordan faced better caliber defenders. Jordan was guarded that game by Ehlo (whom he routinely torched, and couldn't match up physically), he was guarded by little / un-athletic Mark Price. [/QUOTE]

Jordan was guarded by Mark Price on a switch for approximately one possession in that game. He was primarily guarded by Ehlo (6'7") and Winston Bennett (6'7"). You've said this twice, and I'm not sure why you're repeating it since it's false. I also like how you act like Jordan wasn't doubled that game. :hammerhead: And I like how you compare Price's defense (even though he didn't guard Jordan, as we've established) to Nash's, even though Price was light years ahead as a defender.

Btw, is Jalen "I can't get off the ground" Rose really that much more athletic than Ehlo? Maybe 5-6 years ago he was. Lemme guess: because he's black, right? :rolleyes:


Btw, Cleveland was ranked 9th out of 27 teams in defense in 1990, with a defensive rating of 106.7 (giving up 102.9 ppg), whereas Toronto was ranked 28th out of 30 teams, with a defensive rating of 112.5 (giving up 104.0 ppg). That's quite a difference.