Pau Gasol vs. Dirk Nowitzki

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]I googled "dirk will never win a ring insidehoops"

to find mustard's thread[/QUOTE]

Won't help.

There can be only one mustard

Dirk had a better Playoff run and he's proven to be a consistent winner both in the regular season and in the Playoffs. Pau has won 0 playoff games without Kobe and has been swept 4 times in the first round. I'm taking Dirk.

[QUOTE=elementally morale]Dirk is a top 5 player this year, Gasol is top10. There is the answer: Dirk is better. Speaking of their careers, NBA-wise it's Dirk. [B]In the FIBA compteitions it's Gasol, due to having had a better team.[/B] (Both of them play very well at international events.)

This comparison will get worse in the future, because Dirk operates as the #1 and Pau as te #2 option. Not the same roles. Defensively, Pau is better and he is a bit more efficient with the ball. Basketball IQ is high in both instances, slight edge to Gasol.

Still, overall I take Dirk. He is a top50 player of all time for sure. Let's see how he ends his career to get into more details.[/QUOTE]

Gasol just flat out played better than Dirk almost always in FIBA. He was almost always better, no matter what team he had. From young competitions to senior competitions.

He was always better than Dirk in FIBA individually. So that's just simply NOT A TRUE statement.

[QUOTE=elementally morale]Pretty good. At Eurobasket:

Gold: 2009
Silver: 1935, 1973, 1983, 1999, 2003, 2007
Bronze: 1991, 2001


Watch the table at the bottom of the page:

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain_national_basketball_team[/url][/QUOTE]

Spain never won anything before Gasol. What are you talking about? [B]They never won a single gold medal ever before he played for them.[/B]

[QUOTE=ImKobe]Dirk had a better Playoff run and he's proven to be a consistent winner both in the regular season and in the Playoffs. Pau has won 0 playoff games without Kobe and has been swept 4 times in the first round. I'm taking Dirk.[/QUOTE]

Nobody answers it anymore, dude. No answer is needed, kid.

Of course you needed to downplay Kobe's help though :oldlol:

Contradictating motha****a. Makes threads about Gasol saving Kobe's ass in the Finals and then shows his true colours

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]Nobody answers it anymore, dude. No answer is needed, kid.

Of course you needed to downplay Kobe's help though :oldlol:

Contradictating motha****a. Makes threads about Gasol saving Kobe's ass in the Finals and then shows his true colours[/QUOTE]

Didn't know I couldn't express my opinion on a forum :confusedshrug:

There will certainly be a few Pau Gasol fans downplaying Kobe and trying to make a case for him, I mean, the man does have 2 championships, in which he played a big part in. What's with the hostility, bro?

[QUOTE=kentatm]Wow. You sure as hell don't know much about Euro ball to make an asinine comparison like that. Do you know just how weak basketball is in Germany? Frigging handball is more popular. It was a major accomplishment for Dirk to just lead them to an Olympics berth.[/QUOTE]

Again this is USA NBA only fan and sports media myths.

Basketball is #2 most popular team sport in Germany currently. The German basketball league is extremely popular. It has big arenas and basically every single game is a sellout.

[B]All the big football clubs are trying to build big basketball sections, and Bayern Munich already has one and they are building a big new arena.[/B]

Alba in Berlin is a hugely popular club there in Berlin and has a damn nice arena. The club has a huge following there. [B]In the region where Dirk came from, there are about 3-4 clubs that sellout every single game..........
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It's complete BULLSHIT from the USA that basketball does not do well in Germany. Because it's doing FANTASTIC in Germany.

[B]By all accounts, it's the #1 country in Europe economically for basketball.[/B]

It's just this whole myth of NBA marketing built around Dirk that is all part of these bullshit legends and story telling that NBA creates and that NBA only fans like to listen to.

[QUOTE=Brunch@Five]Dirk has easily played better in most FIBA competitions. Pau isn't even demanding half the defensive attention Dirk is, be it FIBA or NBA games.[/QUOTE]

You have not watched any of those FIBA games. That is a guaranteed fact.

[QUOTE=Euroleague]Gasol just flat played better than Dirk almost always in FIBA. He was almost always better, no matter what team he had. From young competitions to senior competitions.

He was always better than Dirk in FIBA individually. So that's just simply NOT A TRUE statement.[/QUOTE]

What about in the NBA though? Dirk clearly has more playoff success and much better numbers.

[QUOTE=tpols]What about in the NBA though? Dirk clearly has more playoff success and much better numbers.[/QUOTE]

I didn't say I think Gasol is better than Dirk. I do think Dirk is better than Gasol. But some people were just making up nonsense on the argument side for Dirk.

Dirk was never as good as Pau in FIBA, and it was not because of his team. I was just disputing what were basically troll claims.

Putting everything together Pau was probably the FIBA player of the decade.But what Dirk achieved there was incredibly impressive considering his squad (a common theme in his career)... logically he should have never even sniffed a medal with that talent level around him.

[QUOTE=tpols]What about in the NBA though? Dirk clearly has more playoff success and much better numbers.[/QUOTE]

If Germany has more NBA players like Spain has, Dirk would achieve same result and then some in FIBA like Pau . Too bad He was playing with the Caveman, naturalized scrub and 9 custodians,

[QUOTE=tpols]What about in the NBA though? Dirk clearly has more playoff success and much better numbers.[/QUOTE]
Dude is talking out of his ass, anyway. I bolded Nowitzki's numbers.

2001: [B]28.7/9.1/1.9[/B] vs 17.3/9.7/0.9
2002: [B]24/8.2/2.7[/B] vs 19.1/7.8/2.4
2003: [B]22,5/6,2/1[/B] vs 25.8/7.5/0.8
2006: [B]23.2/9.2/2.8[/B] vs 21.2/9.4/1.4
2007: [B]24/8.7/1.6[/B] vs 18.8/7/2.2
2008: [B]17/8.4/0.6[/B] vs. 19.6/7/1.7
2011: [B]19.5/6.6/1.4[/B] vs 20.1/8.3/1.7

And Dirk's teams have always been way, way worse than Gasol's. He managed to carry the team to victories over Spain in 2002 and 2005, and both times Spain was the clear favorite - in 2005, everybody expected them to win even [b]without[/b] Gasol. :roll:

[QUOTE=BoutPractice]Putting everything together Pau was probably the FIBA player of the decade.But what Dirk achieved there was incredibly impressive considering his squad (a common theme in his career)... logically he should have never even sniffed a medal with that talent level around him.[/QUOTE]

This . :applause:

even if Dirk won a Eurbasket, is just a blip on radar screen when you compare his NBA ring. Pau can't do what Dirk did on the highest level.

did this thread rlly happen? somebody wake me up