Insider: Who's better Kobe vs Lebron

[QUOTE=plowking]How am I a Kobe fan? I support the Heat...

Kobe is a better scorer, shooter, defender... Furthermore, they're equal rebounders if anything, with Kobe being better this year. Lebron is only grabbing 1 offensive rebound per game to Kobe's 1.3. Defensive rebounding for wings is the most overrated thing, especially for Lebron considering his team gets out of the way for him on rebounds to start the offense, unlike Kobe.

So a better playmaker and 3pt shooter, and the 3pt shooting won't be the case at the end of the season.

Kobe's influence on a game goes beyond stats. I was one to scoff at this as well, and this is after watching him. Though now I really do see that he impacts the game more than anyone in the NBA today.

Lebron still has a problem that Carmelo had a while back; and a young Jordan may I add. He thinks that proving basketball worth all shows up on the stat sheet, when it is far from the truth.[/QUOTE]
Plowking is my favorite poster on ISH

Nicolas Batum puts it best: :oldlol:

For LeBron, I was told "stay back and avoid letting him in the paint. It's better to let him shoot." For Kobe, it's "good luck."

[QUOTE=Simple Jack]We are talking about impact on the court here, not skill.

Earl Boykins is more skilled than Shaq, that doesn't make him better.

Let me guess, Kobe is a better passer too? Or just more skilled...[/QUOTE]

Terrible thing to say that Boykins is more skilled than Shaq.

kobe by a mile

[QUOTE=Bodhi]I agree with this. There's a debate for a reason and everyone agrees that Kobe and Lebron are the 1/2 guys in the league. If you can't understand why somebody would have one over the other then you're just not doing a very good job at analyzing the game.[/QUOTE]



I don't think there should be a debate among educated basketball fans, such as the ones (some of the ones at least) on this forum, that Lebron is the clear cut best player in the league and Kobe Bryant is second. Yes, a majority of the players in the league will tell the media that Kobe is the best, but I think that has much more to do with the rings and the Kobe hype as it does with the facts. I will admit that I am sometimes guilty at looking at stats too much, but they rarely lie and in the debate between Kobe and Lebron they tell us very very clearly that Lebron is the superior player.

So Kobe's argument must be with his ability to close out games, his leadership on and off the court, and most importantly for Kobe homers, his 4 shiny championship rings. Lebron is one of the great leaders in the league, and lest you forget it was him that rose to the head of the Olympic team. Kobe was mentioned as the 'leader who led by example', which sounds like bull**** frankly. Kobe is clutch as they come but come on, Lebron is nearly as good down the stretch of games, just look at the Magic playoff game last year. The rings, meh, I'll give them to Kobe but remember that he was NOT the number one option on the first 3, and was playing on a stacked Lakers team last year, not to mention that he has had possibly the greatest coach of all time on his bench for his entire career.

So, frankly, you can insult my basketball analysis all you want but I still won't suffer serious basketball fans who think Kobe is better than Lebron, because obviously their view is clouded by some bias.

#8 kobe > lebron

#24 kobe < lebron

I don't have any problems with people who say Lebron is better than Kobe (though I disagree with them), but their reasoning has to stand up. I have a problem with people saying "Lebron is better because he shoots better" or "Lebron is more clutch than Kobe because he has a higher FG% in the last 5 minutes of a game" then all it shows is that they don't understand what they are watching in basketball, if they watch it at all. When people say "Lebron is a more skilled passer because he has more assists" you can tell their basketball IQ is just bad.

[QUOTE=Simple Jack]Pippen has said Bron, so has Jerry West. A bunch of players have as well. Their opinions mean more than yours, I win! I can pull rank too. It's a weak argument.[/QUOTE]

West immediately after said Kobe. Many thought he said it simply to spur Kobe on in the finals, and I agree.

[QUOTE=Simple Jack]This is a first by the way; I've heard anyone try to argue Kobe as a better rebounder than LeBron.

ISH, where trolling happens.[/QUOTE]

You still can't read. I said, if anything they are equal. Seeing as neither of the players battle for defensive rebounds, and simply get the ones that land in their lap, or in Lebron's case, the ones that are pretty much given to him by his teammates by moving out of the way, offensive rebounds would be the best way to compare the rebounding of the two. Seeing as Kobe is getting more this season, I'd say he's doing a better job.

[QUOTE=krazy19]Terrible thing to say that Boykins is more skilled than Shaq.[/QUOTE]

No it's not. He's 5'5; are you aware how much skill you have to have in order to play in the NBA at that height?

[QUOTE=plowking]You still can't read. I said, if anything they are equal. Seeing as neither of the players battle for defensive rebounds, and simply get the ones that land in their lap, or in Lebron's case, the ones that are pretty much given to him by his teammates by moving out of the way, offensive rebounds would be the best way to compare the rebounding of the two. Seeing as Kobe is getting more this season, I'd say he's doing a better job.[/QUOTE]

Or how about being an impressive rebounder on one of the best rebounding teams in the league year in year out?

LeBron is the more athletic, skilled rebounder by a large margin. He's a leading rebounder among SF's every year and yet Kobe, who isn't recognized at all for his rebounding ability, is on par with LeBron.

Again, this is the first time I'm hearing someone argue this.

On a side note, claiming LeBron's rebounds come from his teammates moving to the side and "letting" him grab them is just hating.

"All of Kobe's assists are just his teammates getting in good position and them making great plays after a mediocre pass".

You have my vote for worst poster on ISH after Fatal. I usually skip your posts but this time I had to reply.

[QUOTE=plowking]West immediately after said Kobe. Many thought he said it simply to spur Kobe on in the finals, and I agree.[/QUOTE]

And many thought he said Kobe after (talked about Kobe more in terms of being clutch rather than overall a better player) because of the media coverage his comment got and not to "demean Kobe".

And you're just a typical generic poster who cries "hater" when someone points out something bad about his favorite player. Yeah bro, I hate Bron. I dislike watching one of the best talents the NBA has produced. It just sickens me... :rolleyes:

I think Kobe is the better player and I have stated why. A better scorer, shooter, defender. Equal in rebounding and Lebron ahead in playmaking. Not to mention Kobe is more clutch.

[QUOTE=HighFlyer23]#8 kobe > lebron

#24 kobe < lebron[/QUOTE]

Other way around


#24 Kobe>Lebron

Lebron#8 Kobe

24 is Kobe's real prime he's a much smarter player improved his passing and his post game and really just became much more mature.

This whole article is laughable & loses any and all integrity when it refers to the Lakers and Cavs meeting on Christmas for the second straight year, when in reality, they didn't even play each other on Christmas last year. That is a good indicator of what kind of "extensive" research this LeBron fanboy disguised as an ESPN reporter put into this article.

LeBron being picked as the better midrange shooter just shows the ignorance and stupidity of this reporter... same thing with LeBron being picked as the better primary defender. Kobe was the clearly superior player in both aspects just 2 seasons ago, and I will admit that LeBron has shown some noticeable improvement in both areas... but suddenly just because he's improved a little bit he's now considered better than Kobe? Kobe having a night where his midrange J isn't falling is about as common as a night where LeBron's is falling. Dunks do not equate to a midrange shot.

Also, LeBron lost any and all credibility to me as far as being considered this great man-to-man defender that he's been getting hyped up as lately with his showing in the ECF last year. A great PRIMARY DEFENDER with LeBron's size and athleticism doesn't cop out and guard Rafer Alston when 6'10" guys like Turkoglu and Lewis are out there burning your team just asking to be guarded by somebody. Guys like Kobe and Jordan wouldn't take that route. Hell, in the WCF last year when Melo was abusing Ariza and Walton in a couple of the games, Kobe got sick and tired of it and took to guarding Melo despite giving up 2 or 3 inches in height and 30 to 40 pounds.