Scottie Pippen in the playoffs from 1991-93

[U]Orlando Sun-Sentinel[/U]

Headline: [B]BULLS MAKE MAGIC A VULNERABLE TARGET[/B]

[QUOTE]
INGLEWOOD, Calif. -- Suddenly, this is turning into work for Lakers guard Magic Johnson.

No more idle time on the defensive end.

No more wearing down Michael Jordan on the other end.

As the Lakers and Bulls head into Game 3 of the NBA Finals tonight at the Great Western Forum tied 1-1, the focus has shifted from Jordan's one-man show to Johnson's one-man nightmare.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]And when Johnson tried to even the score in Game 2, [B]he found Chicago forward Scottie Pippen hawking him fullcourt[/B], while Jordan conserved his energy.

[B]"I thought, all along, that at some point they were going to play Scottie on me," Johnson said. "They're trying to wear me out or take the ball out of my hands. Take your pick."[/B]

The Pippen-on-Johnson matchup was created by necessity more than design after Jordan picked up two early fouls. But [B]it worked so well that Chicago coach Phil Jackson stayed with it even after Jordan avoided further foul trouble.[/B]

"I felt more confident guarding Magic and leaving the scoring to Michael," Pippen said. "Basically, I was trying to defend against Magic fullcourt, so he couldn't pick apart our defense."

After closing with a triple-double in Game 1, Johnson still finished with 14 points, 10 assists and seven rebounds in Game 2. But he also shot 4 of 13 after going 4 of 5 in the series opener.

"Scottie's more physical than Michael," Johnson said.[/QUOTE]

[URL="https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1991-06-07-9103020619-story.html"]https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1991-06-07-9103020619-story.html[/URL]

I'm not concerned with what people say, I make my own opinions on the things I see. The game is somewhat fresh in my mind.

Using Magics stat line against him to prop up Pippen is dumb, because things like this happen.

[url]https://youtu.be/8o8l6oM6Jeg?t=1075[/url]

He made it more difficult for Magic to bring the ball up, that's about it. It didn't cause any turnovers from what I remember.

[url]https://youtu.be/8o8l6oM6Jeg?t=2255[/url]

That's great effort by Pippen and it looks good, but the end result is Magic basically creating 2 FT attempts. Magic gets no stats for this play, but when you watch the game you make mental notes of these particular plays. So many other examples in the game. Magic had no issue with Pippen.

Why do you think the impression of the people who covered and participated in the game (including Magic himself and a Lakers assistant coach) was so different--and so consistent? A conspiracy to prop up a young Pippen?

I suspect it is your bar for "shut down" is much higher than what those other people were looking at: the decline Magic experienced from his (extremely high) baseline performance level. Think of that baseline performance level: so high that even 3ball was crowing about a game where Magic racked up 20 assists against MJ.

If everyone who watched or participated in the game at the time came away with the same conclusion, it obviously has to be based on something.

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;14054147]If everyone who watched or participated in the game at the time came away with the same conclusion, it obviously has to be based on something.[/QUOTE]

Everyone came to that conclusion because it's TRUE.

We have to understand that impact on defense goes farrrrr past stats. Or I should say can go. Magic was visibly flustered. It got so bad that other guys (guys like Divac, Perkins, Teagle) found themselves bring the ball up and initiating the offense. Pippen literally took the ball out of Magics hands. That's great defense. Or, Pip harrassed Magic so much that the Lakers found themselves taking a shot (their first shot mind you) with under 10 seconds on the clock. Again GREAT DEFENSE.

Or, the Lakers had Magic shooting the ball after receiving a pass from a player that was under duress. Because Magic was denied the ball from Pippen.

Pippens impact in that game was on par with a player dropping 50.

[B]And still no one has answered why Jordan himself said "I will only comeback if Pippen stays and plays along side me" [/B]:confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Round Mound;14054372][B]And still no one has answered why Jordan himself said "I will only comeback if Pippen stays and plays along side me" [/B]:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

Dey know

:pimp:

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[Size=3][U]Per 100 Possessions - Playoffs[/U]

[B]14' Wade[/B]..... 28.6 pts.. 6.2 ast.. 56.0 ts.. 106 ortg.. 18.5 PER.. 0.086 ws/48
[B]93' Pippen[/B]... 26.2 pts.. 7.4 ast.. 50.0 ts.. 102 ortg.. 16.9 PER.. 0.083 ws/48[/size]


[Size=4]^^^ Prime Pippen = 13' and 14' Wade...

So when people complain about Pippen, think about 13/14 Wade and you'll understand... 14' Wade had a higher production rate (above), and 13' Wade had prime Pippen stats in the Finals (20/5/5 on 48%)

In addition to his horrible 93' Playoffs, Pippen was also horrible in the 96-98' Playoffs and 88-90' Playoffs.. aka HIS ENTIRE CAREER... he was a horrible playoff performer even in 1994 and 99-03'[/size]


[QUOTE=Round Mound;14054372]

And still no one has answered why Jordan himself said "I will only comeback if Pippen stays and plays along side me" :confusedshrug:


[/QUOTE]

^^^ it's because MJ didn't say that, or it wasn't a deal-breaker

The only deal-breaker was Phil - he was the only must-have because MJ didn't want to build a new system

But a tons of guys could've replaced Pippen, aka any good defender that can average 16/6/5 on terrible efficiency.. so about 20% of the league

[QUOTE=3ball;14054413].
[Size=3][U]Per 100 Possessions - Playoffs[/U]

[B]14' Wade[/B]..... 28.6 pts.. 6.2 ast.. 56.0 ts.. 106 ortg.. 18.5 PER.. 0.086 ws/48
[B]93' Pippen[/B]... 26.2 pts.. 7.4 ast.. 50.0 ts.. 102 ortg.. 16.9 PER.. 0.083 ws/48[/size]


[Size=4]^^^ Prime Pippen = 13' and 14' Wade...

So when people complain about Pippen, think about 13/14 Wade and you'll understand... 14' Wade had a higher production rate (above), and 13' Wade had prime Pippen stats in the Finals (20/5/5 on 48%)[/size]




^^^ it's because MJ didn't say that, or it wasn't a deal-breaker

The only deal-breaker was Phil - he was the only must-have because MJ didn't want to build a new system

But a tons of guys could've replaced Pippen, aka any good defender that can average 16/6/5 on terrible efficiency.. so about 20% of the league

Btw, OP forgets that Pippen was horrible during the 93' Playoffs, including 45% true shooting in the Finals and a lower production rate for the playoffs than 14' Wade (stats above)..

In addition to the 93' Playoffs, Pippen was horrible in the 96-98' Playoffs (17 on 41%), 88-90' Playoffs, 94' Playoffs, and 99-03' Playoffs.. he was a horrible playoff performer[/QUOTE]

:facepalm

[QUOTE=Round Mound;14054416]:facepalm[/QUOTE]

Other than 91' or 92', name a good playoff run for Pippen that's worthy of the top 30 ranking that he enjoys by many fans... remember, a top 30 performance is better than guys like Ewing and R Miller... Okay, go

[QUOTE=3ball;14054418]Other than 91' or 92', name a good playoff run for Pippen that's worthy of the top 30 ranking that he enjoys by many fans... remember, a top 30 performance is better than guys like Ewing and R Miller... Okay, go[/QUOTE]
Name a good playoff run Jordan had without Pippen

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14054424]Name a good playoff run Jordan had without Pippen[/QUOTE]

1986

44/6/6


1987

36/7/6



Now should I bother post Pippen's without Mike or you give up

[QUOTE=3ball;14054428]1986

44/6/6


1987

36/7/6



Now should I bother post Pippen's without Mike or you give up[/QUOTE]
So two runs where he won 0 playoff games? That's the best you got?

[QUOTE=3ball;14054428]1986

44/6/6


1987

36/7/6



Now should I bother post Pippen's without Mike or you give up[/QUOTE]

That usage doesn't help team - empty stats