[QUOTE=Calabis]And made them at a higher percentage:roll:[/QUOTE]
And still never came close to 81. :roll:
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[QUOTE=Calabis]And made them at a higher percentage:roll:[/QUOTE]
And still never came close to 81. :roll:
[QUOTE=oh the horror]Are we really saying Jordan couldnt score like Kobe? REALLY?
Mike had seasons of 37ppg, 35ppg, and various other seasons of over 30ppg, on over 50 percent from the field. Wtf are people even talking about around here?[/QUOTE]
I don't know, because those numbers don't mean shit....he avg 30 or more 8(9 rounding off), yet Kobe did it twice, so he is a better and more consistent scorer:roll:
This is just as simple as laughing it off, and letting someone believe what they want. For a kid to be telling me Kobe is better than Mike, is just laughable.
I dont even know why we try to explain it to them. They obviously didnt watch Jordan much, so why even try? They're basing it off youtube videos, and numbers on paper.
So because Mike's stats are CLEARLY better...the next "argument" is, that Mike's era was "weaker" and stats were "inflated" at the time.....they'll keep coming with newer and newer arguments, but the fact remains...these little fu*kers didnt see most of Jordan's career....so why even try? They have no real leg to stand on imo.
[QUOTE=Calabis]I don't know, because those numbers don't mean shit....he avg 30 or more 8(9 rounding off), yet Kobe did it twice, so he is a better and more consistent scorer:roll:[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but the newest argument now, is that Mike's numbers were "inflated" because of the era he played in.
But MY argument is.....if you DIDNT WATCH MIKE PLAY, THEN YOU JUST DO NOT KNOW. Regardless of whatever you wanna say about era, and who Mike played against, you merely had to watch him play for several seasons, compared to Kobe and his prime years to simply SEE for yourself, that Michael was a superior basketball player.
The proof was in the pudding and clear as day to me.
[QUOTE=Glide2keva]It's not bs, it's the truth. No matter what their record was, they made the playoffs. The raptors didn't and neither did the lakers.
I bring up everything else because point totals dint tell the whe story.[/QUOTE]
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the bulls make the playoffs with 30 wins one year? You can't be serious with saying that cavs team was some great team. They were losing more games than they were winning when jordan dropped 69 on them. They were playing like a losing team regardless of whether it was easier to make the playoffs back in the day. You just can't accept that kobe's cieling for scoring is higher than jordan's so you're reaching with the 'opposition' argument. Jordan had two extra periods of OT and was playing in a faster paced league and he couldn't even sniff 81. Case closed.
[QUOTE=Jacks3]And still never came close to 81. :roll:[/QUOTE]
Because on several of those nights he sat out, he didn't stay in against the leagues worst team and keep jacking for individual glory...which Kobe still does, Gasol called his ass out for chasing a record...."now maybe we can get back to playing team basketball and winning games"
the whole argument is that kobe's a better scorer when hot. it happens rarely, but when he's on nobody in history is better. nobody is saying that he's a better player, or a better scorer in terms of efficiency or volume, stop setting straw-man arguments.
[QUOTE=oh the horror]This is just as simple as laughing it off, and letting someone believe what they want. For a kid to be telling me Kobe is better than Mike, is just laughable.
I dont even know why we try to explain it to them. They obviously didnt watch Jordan much, so why even try? They're basing it off youtube videos, and numbers on paper.
So because Mike's stats are CLEARLY better...the next "argument" is, that Mike's era was "weaker" and stats were "inflated" at the time.....they'll keep coming with newer and newer arguments, but the fact remains...these little fu*kers didnt see most of Jordan's career....so why even try? They have no real leg to stand on imo.[/QUOTE]
your right, good post, its pointless, I agree, I'm out
[QUOTE=oh the horror]Yeah, but the newest argument now, is that Mike's numbers were "inflated" because of the era he played in.
But MY argument is.....if you DIDNT WATCH MIKE PLAY, THEN YOU JUST DO NOT KNOW. Regardless of whatever you wanna say about era, and who Mike played against, you merely had to watch him play for several seasons, compared to Kobe and his prime years to simply SEE for yourself, that Michael was a superior basketball player.
The proof was in the pudding and clear as day to me.[/QUOTE]
Some of these guys around me are ripping on jordan but I'm strictly talking about scoring and their elite scoring games. I admitted jordan>kobe already and know he was a better basketball player.
[QUOTE=Calabis]Because on several of those nights he sat out, he didn't stay in against the leagues worst team and keep jacking for individual glory...which Kobe still does, Gasol called his ass out for chasing a record...."now maybe we can get back to playing team basketball and winning games"[/QUOTE]
first, gasol wasn't calling out kobe, but the entire team. second, kobe has like 5 different games where's he's had 50+ points through three quarters and then sat out the fourth. third, the lakers were down 20 against the raptors. he wasn't "jacking". the lakers needed those points. lol @ acting like jordan didn't play bad teams, or didn't chuck. :roll:
[QUOTE=Calabis]your right, good post, its pointless, I agree, I'm out[/QUOTE]
A biased poster that litters his comments in insults and curse words made a good post? Yeah, okay.
[QUOTE=Jacks3]the whole argument is that kobe's a better scorer when hot. it happens rarely, but when he's on nobody in history is better. nobody is saying that he's a better player, or a better scorer in terms of efficiency or volume, stop setting straw-man arguments.[/QUOTE]
If you say so....any past or current great is that way when hot....Jordan decided to sit out when he set a Finals record(at the time) with 6 three pointers in first half, which could have been more, but he sat out the last 6 1/2 minutes....whats so hard to understand that if he stayed in and kept jacking while in that zone, more shots would've been made...also last time I checked that happened when they said he couldn't shoot three's
what makes MJ so great was not his game but rather his desire to be the best. If MJ was around in this day and age, maybe certain players might have a better game than him. However with the passion and confidence that jordan played with, he would make sure he would improve himself and continue to be a champion. The only player that comes close to the intensity with which jordan played with is probably Kobe. Even then, Jordan's intensity and passion was greater than what we see today with Kobe.
IMO opinion Kobe is the better scorer- Jordan is the better All-around player
[QUOTE=bada bing]what makes MJ so great was not his game but rather his desire to be the best. If MJ was around in this day and age, maybe certain players might have a better game than him. However with the passion and confidence that jordan played with, he would make sure he would improve himself and continue to be a champion. The only player that comes close to the intensity with which jordan played with is probably Kobe. Even then, Jordan's intensity and passion was greater than what we see today with Kobe.[/QUOTE]
I'd consider Kobe a MJ "lite". He is probably the closet thing to a Michael Jordan in today's game. His style of play, and his ethic is similar, but the skills and talent isnt the same. Mike was like a combination of strength, and skill, and his IQ was off the charts. Kobe at times, is kind of a bonehead...He does shit on the court that I question at times, and it seems like he is his own worst enemy. Its hard to describe really, when it comes to Kobe Byrant. I feel like he SHOULD be better than he is most of the time.