So are people taking the Mavs seriously as top title contender yet?

[QUOTE=R4E]Good post. Thanx. That does not mean that I agree.

In terms of the possibilities of winning an NBA championship? I dont think Dirk is a true franchise player. That is not to say that Dirk is not a highly skilled piece of a chamionship puzzle, however. I just dont believe that Dirk is [B]the[/B] guy...[I]that[/I] guy a franchise builds around. The Mavericks designated the wrong player if their intent was to win championships. - Now...if Cuban just wanted to show and to fill the house nightly? And had no real intention of winning a ring(s)? Or would bindly luck into a championship ring if the stars aligned just right? Dirk N is the perfect man for that job. An imposter franchise player....a thinly veiled fraud of a faux dominant statistics amassing regular season marvel. That is how I see Dirk. If an Eastern team is lucky enough to draw Dirk and the Mavs in the NBA Finals??? They are going to be secretly getting their ring sized before tipoff of game 1.

I will go further and say if Dirk does get a ring? Dirk is going to have to latch onto a real franchise player as a "teammate" to get that championship ring.[/QUOTE]

This is wrong on so many levels. Gonna employ your kind of strategy and won't bring up any arguments. If you ask for some, I am just gonna repeat my first sentence. Merry christmas!

[QUOTE=creepingdeath]What if he wins a ring as the #1 option within the next 4 years with the current squad (and maybe complementary trades)?[/QUOTE]

Then I will be wrong and the ignorant, hater, preposterous poster that you claim creeping.

*that is, unless Jason Terry hits a last second 3 point shot in game 7 at boston to win by 1 point and the NBA Finals Series 4-3, and that after garnett's knee got hurt and he was out for the playoffs in a previous series - or the like - feel me?*

But if Dirk and his Mavs beat the Heat in 6 while James and Wade are healthy?

I'll come here to ISH and apologize in several threads(though I cant post a thread, it seems) for being wrong about Dirk and the Mavs.

[QUOTE=R4E][B]Pau Gasol has the 2 most recent rings.[/B]

But you have a point if we get technical.

Ewing - Jamaica
Olajuwon - Nigeria
Wilkins - France
Nash - Canada
Ginobili - Argentina
Gasol - Spain
Nowitzki - Germany

That is quite a team, if their primes were to coincide[/QUOTE]

Yes, as a second fiddle to Kobe. If you're going to compare rings, you have to at least be a #1 option.

Dirk & Kobe would be even more deadly.

[QUOTE=Hawker]Yes, as a second fiddle to Kobe. If you're going to compare rings, you have to at least be a #1 option.

Dirk & Kobe would be even more deadly.[/QUOTE]

Please. Kobe and Dirk are too much the same player, though Kobe is champagne and Dirk is beer in terms of refinement and limitations. Kobe and Dirk would not compliment each other at all. In contrast, Kobe and Pau compliment each other perfectly.

Dirk is a 3 that ought to be a 4. Pau is equally effective as a 4 and a 5 - and is clearly one of the top 3 bigs in the NBA.

Good offering from you otherwise, Hawk. Merry XMas

:cheers:

[QUOTE=R4E]
But if Dirk and his Mavs beat the Heat in 6 while James and Wade are healthy?

I'll come here to ISH and apologize in several threads(though I cant post a thread, it seems) for being wrong about Dirk and the Mavs.[/QUOTE]Spoken like a Gentleman, and a sportsbook prophet. See you in the postseason.

[QUOTE=R4E]Please. Kobe and Dirk are too much the same player, though Kobe is champagne and Dirk is beer in terms of refinement and limitations. Kobe and Dirk would not compliment each other at all. In contrast, Kobe and Pau compliment each other perfectly.

Dirk is a 3 that ought to be a 4. Pau is equally effective as a 4 and a 5 - and is clearly one of the top 3 bigs in the NBA.

Good offering from you otherwise, Hawk. Merry XMas

:cheers:[/QUOTE]

Dirk has never had a teammate that attacks the rim like Kobe. They'd fit together fine.

And you only answered half my post. Pau Gasol is a Robin. Dirk is a Batman. And you say Dirk is a bad player to build around, then who is?

Duncan? Ok. Kobe? Ok. Shaq? Ok.

Three players in the entire league. If you can't build around Dirk then who besides those three players?

[QUOTE=Hawker]If you can't build around Dirk then who besides those three players?[/QUOTE]

A few great young players really look exciting for placing a championship team around them.

Dwight Howard
Derrick Rose
Deron Williams
Kevin Love

Maybe Blake Griffin...need to see more elements o his game. Is Griffin more Nique or Doc? Dont know yet

[QUOTE=Hawker]Dirk has never had a teammate that attacks the rim like Kobe.

Pau Gasol is a Robin. Dirk is a Batman.[/QUOTE]

ha! cute, untrue...but catchy.

When Dirk had a player as a teammate that is now a 2 time NBA MVP? SN was then all rim attack...and younger too.

Dirk is not Batman. Batman would have gone toe-to-toe with Wade in the 2006 season when Wade was dropping $40.00 in the NBA Finals.

Dirk is predictable in where he wants the ball on offense: 15-20 feet from the cup in isolation on the wing so that he can pull up for a fade away jumper against a shorter player. A 7 footer should not be prone to that tendency in a playoff series. In the 4th, since you Dirk fans are in awe of Dirk's tactics, he should drive and slash to the rim relentlessly and put tremendous pressure on th refs to call defensive fouls - so that he produces points on nearly every 4th quarter possession. I say that Dirk is not strong or scrappy enough to take the punishment - and make no mistake - they would punish him with a ring at stake.

Pau used to be reluctant to engage in intense physical playoff contact, as most euro players are prone to do - but Pau learned what championship NBA ball was all about. Pau is anxious to mix it up now. Pau will do the dirty work without a second thought...and he can take the punishment. I am sure the Phil and Kobe told Pau what they needed from him to be a continual championship threat. PG went from being a pure finesse player to being a grinder who gets crucial rebounds to close out game 7s.

Nope. Because come playoff time when it rains...Dallas...

[IMG]http://www.kharlovka.com/trout-art-2008/30-8.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=R4E]ha! cute, untrue...but catchy.

When Dirk had a player as a teammate that is now a 2 time NBA MVP? SN was then all rim attack...and younger too.

Dirk is not Batman. Batman would have gone toe-to-toe with Wade in the 2006 season when Wade was dropping $40.00 in the NBA Finals.

Dirk is predictable in where he wants the ball on offense: 15-20 feet from the cup in isolation on the wing so that he can pull up for a fade away jumper against a shorter player. A 7 footer should not be prone to that tendency in a playoff series. In the 4th, since you Dirk fans are in awe of Dirk's tactics, he should drive and slash to the rim relentlessly and put tremendous pressure on th refs to call defensive fouls - so that he produces points on nearly every 4th quarter possession. I say that Dirk is not strong or scrappy enough to take the punishment - and make no mistake - they would punish him with a ring at stake.

Pau used to be reluctant to engage in intense physical playoff contact, as most euro players are prone to do - but Pau learned what championship NBA ball was all about. Pau is anxious to mix it up now. Pau will do the dirty work without a second thought...and he can take the punishment. I am sure the Phil and Kobe told Pau what they needed from him to be a continual championship threat. PG went from being a pure finesse player to being a grinder who gets crucial rebounds to close out game 7s.[/QUOTE]
What a f[I]u[/I]cking clown ass post...

Steve nash averaged 13/9 in the playoffs and 14/9 in the regular season when he played with dirk. He wasn't even close to an MVP caliber player back then.

And it's funny that he is the ONLY player you can name that played with dirk over the years. A 14/9 player the best you can come up with?:oldlol: And then you have the nerve to say it would be better to build around kevin love and derrick rose than dirk?:eek:

This shit is priceless...

How good has Tyson been for them? I think his play, along with either Terry or Butler will be very important to any success. In the playoffs you're expecting Nowitzki and Kidd to bring it, and you're almost certain they'll play well. The problem last year was no inside defense combined with no offense from any other type of player. If you're getting consistent points from another player, with Tyson cleaning up the garbage and disturbing shots in the paint, then I think they have an excellent shot at beating any team.

If Bynum is healthy though, it'll be difficult for both Tyson/Dirk to take on Bynum/Gasol. Likewise if the Celtics are healthy, Shaq/Garnett/Davis/Perkins would just be difficult in the front court for Dallas to handle.

[QUOTE=tpols]What a f[I]u[/I]cking clown ass post...

Steve nash averaged 13/9 in the playoffs and 14/9 in the regular season when he played with dirk. He wasn't even close to an MVP caliber player back then.

And it's funny that he is the ONLY player you can name that played with dirk over the years. A 14/9 player the best you can come up with?:oldlol: And then you have the nerve to say it would be better to build around kevin love and derrick rose than dirk?:eek:

This shit is priceless...[/QUOTE]

More excuses...and this time from a particularly vile Dirk apologist.

The point with Nash, genius, is not only did Nash clearly have the talent to later become a 2-time NBA MVP...but he was an ascending player at that time. If an NBA MVP assist dominant rim attacking point guard is not the perfect compliment to a 7 foot tall high percentage shooting "small forward" (3)? Then who is the perfect compliment? There is no perfect compliment. Dirk's limitations are the [B][I]true[/I][/B] problem.

But defend Dirk to the grave...it is good for a chuckle. Dirk is a great shooter, shoots a high percentage - Dirk is better than Ralph Sampson and Brad Sellers of the same ilk...lol. Dirk has got them on longevity alone

:oldlol:

Mavs are contenders. They pretty much have the perfect teams to beat the Lakers.

Size against their front-line; A long, lanky,athletic defender to throw at Bryant.

Current Kobe tends to struggle against those types. I remember the Mavs pretty much shutting him down in their meetings last season.

[QUOTE=R4E]
The point with Nash, genius, is not only did Nash clearly have the talent to later become a 2-time NBA MVP...but he was an ascending player at that time. If an NBA MVP assist dominant rim attacking point guard is not the perfect compliment to a 7 foot tall high percentage shooting "small forward" (3)?
[/QUOTE]
No shit, wise guy? Unfortunately Nelson told Cuban that Nash is most likely gonna break down in a few years and didn't offer Steve enough. Nash felt offended and all of us know the rest of the story. But Dallas Nash is far from being MVP Nash, and none of the experts did see such an improvement coming.

Having Magicarp being fed by Kidd can make a difference, but I'm not sure if they will choke in the playoffs.