Obama is a shithead

yep don't know why so many europeans get off criticizing Americans for voting for Bush twice when they keep electing shitheads like Silvio Berlusconi, Jose Pinto de Sousa, Kostas Karamanlis, Jos

[QUOTE=Nick Young]yep don't know why so many europeans get off criticizing Americans for voting for Bush twice when they keep electing shitheads like Silvio Berlusconi, Jose Pinto de Sousa, Kostas Karamanlis, [B]Jos

[QUOTE=Nick Young]For example McCain pretended to be hardnosed against gay marriage and abortion but Im certain once elected he would do absolutely nothing to try to make abortion or gay marriage illegal.

He's a pretty moderate guy and actually pretty intelligent, it's just a shame you have to act like a shotgun waving redneck to get elected to the republican party.

So retarded, that's also why Obama had to pretend to like hunting as well, a president will never get elected if he dont like his guns:facepalm[/QUOTE]
In all fairness, Abortion/Gay marriage will NEVER be outlawed due to the fact if they are...republicans have nothing to run with. What other major issues are in their base? not many...

[QUOTE=fos]We still going with the "he lied us to war" thing? Congress had the same information on Iraq that Bush had and voted to go to war (I believe the current secretary of state voted to go to war, no?). [/QUOTE]
That is actually not correct.

[QUOTE=Nick Young]Bush was retarded, Palin isn't any stupider than Bush, I dealt with Bush for 8 years so Im sure I could deal with Palin. There comes a point where you just let go of the shame, like I'm sure Italians have done with Berlusconi years ago. McCain wouldnt keep pretending to be a conservative hardnose once he actually got elected. How it works is you lie and make a fake image during the election then once you are safe and elected you become your true self and start trying to pass through the things you really care about.

For example McCain pretended to be hardnosed against gay marriage and abortion but Im certain once elected he would do absolutely nothing to try to make abortion or gay marriage illegal.

He's a pretty moderate guy and actually pretty intelligent, it's just a shame you have to act like a shotgun waving redneck to get elected to the republican party.

So retarded, that's also why Obama had to pretend to like hunting as well, a president will never get elected if he dont like his guns:facepalm[/QUOTE]
Bush is actually a relatively smart and calculating guy. Sure, hes not brilliant, but the whole "good ol' boy working on his ranch" image was entirely constructed.

Also, a president can do nothing about abortion, which is why its such a stupid false front issue to bring voters out every election. Until the supreme court rules on another case or the legislature passes a constitutional amendment, abortion will be legal in this country. The only impact a pres can have is indirect (appointing justices).

[QUOTE=boozehound]That is actually not correct.[/QUOTE]

How is it not?

[QUOTE]The US Senate today voted overwhelmingly in favour of a war resolution that leaves the way clear for President Bush to use US military force against Saddam Hussein.

The Democratic-led Senate passed the measure by 77 votes to 23 early this morning, ending an often contentious week-long debate. The House of Representatives, the lower house of America's parliament, approved the resolution yesterday by 296 votes to 133.

[url]http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/10-11-2002-27983.asp[/url]
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All these guys agreed on the the Intelligence acquired at the time and acted on it.

also Saddam broke at least a few UN mandated resolutions before being attacked.

[QUOTE=Boogaloo]How is it not?



All these guys agreed on the the Intelligence acquired at the time and acted on it.

also Saddam broke at least a few UN mandated resolutions before being attacked.[/QUOTE]
they did not have access to the same intelligence as the admin. Its been shown time and time again that the intelligence shared with the legislature was cherry picked by the admin to present a stronger case for invasion.

Here is one of many places to start your research
[URL="http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB254/index.htm"]http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB254/index.htm[/URL]

[QUOTE]The president does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.[/QUOTE]

-Barack Obama 2007

[quote=Hawker]-Barack Obama 2007[/quote]

Nice.

[QUOTE=rufuspaul]Nice.[/QUOTE]

I think we should all yell, "FLIP FLOPPER FLIP FLOPPER."

That s[COLOR="Black"]hi[/COLOR]t was annoying back in 2004. :facepalm

[quote=Hawker]I think we should all yell, "FLIP FLOPPER FLIP FLOPPER."

That s[COLOR=black]hi[/COLOR]t was annoying back in 2004. :facepalm[/quote]

I had a strong feeling that once Obama took office and started getting regular briefings on what is really going on in the wars to keep our enemies at bay that he would change his pacifist tone.

[QUOTE=Hawker]-Barack Obama 2007[/QUOTE]
damn another quote showing Obama as a shithead:facepalm

[QUOTE=rufuspaul]I had a strong feeling that once Obama took office and started getting regular briefings on what is really going on in the wars to keep our enemies at bay that he would change his pacifist tone.[/QUOTE]
well, to be fair, this libya thing doesnt violate that quote. there was no unilateral decision to go to war.