[QUOTE=DWade06]don't be so quick to call Iverson the better scorer. he averaged 26 points on 22 shots. Wade averages 25 points on 18 shots.[/QUOTE]
How much more does Wade get to the line than prime 00-03 Iverson??
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[QUOTE=DWade06]don't be so quick to call Iverson the better scorer. he averaged 26 points on 22 shots. Wade averages 25 points on 18 shots.[/QUOTE]
How much more does Wade get to the line than prime 00-03 Iverson??
[QUOTE=Shih508]2 first round exit making him better player than AI as the only main scoring threat in a team for this kind of situation?
But i do agree with u wade mash better with better players. It also shows how amazing AI's ability to carrying a team.[/QUOTE]
Well, Wade didn't have anywhere near the amount of defensive talent around him that Iverson did when AI was leading his team out of the first round and no more offensive talent either, so his cast was worse and I wouldn't compare Spoelstra as a coach to Larry Brown either. Wade's teams were undersized while Iverson had an elite shot blocker/paint defender like Ratliff or Mutombo and then another double/double type guy in Tyrone Hill and great perimeter defenders like Eric Snow, George Lynch and Aaron McKie.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]How much more does Wade get to the line than prime 00-03 Iverson??[/QUOTE]
Iverson in his prime shot 11 free throws per game one season. that's more than Wade ever has. there you go smart ass:lol
[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Well, Wade didn't have anywhere near the amount of defensive talent around him that Iverson did when AI was leading his team out of the first round and no more offensive talent either, so his cast was worse and I wouldn't compare Spoelstra as a coach to Larry Brown either. Wade's teams were undersized while Iverson had an elite shot blocker/paint defender like Ratliff or Mutombo and then another double/double type guy in Tyrone Hill and great perimeter defenders like Eric Snow, George Lynch and Aaron McKie.[/QUOTE]
now u are really overrating AI's supporting casts. Tyrone was at the end of his career, lynch was injured during that playoff that's why sixers had no one to guard Kobe besides rookie Raja bell.
[QUOTE=DWade06]Iverson in his prime shot 11 free throws per game one season. that's more than Wade ever has. there you go smart ass:lol[/QUOTE]
It was actually a serious question but good job with the failed sarcasm detector. I didn't look it up.. but I did have a suspicion that Wade got to the line more and apparently was wrong? Nonetheless Iverson= better scorer. Less efficient, more dependable, more explosive and harder to stop.
Wade is the better overall player for sure. As much as I despise him, I'd take Wade. That being said, I can see why one would pick A.I. I really miss watching him play.
[QUOTE=zay_24]AI led his team to the finals, what has wade done[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Lol I do find it funny that so many people here are disregarding the eras. It's exactly why very few call Bill Russell or Wilt the greatest player of all time. Jordan played against the best who have played the game. In the most physical era of all time. Against the best defenders of all time. In the era where refs let players play the most without bogus calls. Iverson came at the tail end of Jordan's Bulls career. Jordan retired after the 98 ring.. and AI was a rookie in 96. Iverson's prime of 00-01 was still in an elite league.
These teams would absolutely manhandle the teams in this era.
99-01 Blazers
00-03 Lakers
01-04 Kings
[B]00-03 Sixers[/B]99-05 Spurs
01-05 Pistons[/QUOTE]
GET OUT OF HERE.
The Sixers from 10 years ago would beat the Heat? Celtics? Bulls? THunder? Mavs? Lakers?
Old people and their "era" shit
[QUOTE=DWade06]Iverson in his prime shot 11 free throws per game one season. that's more than Wade ever has. there you go smart ass:lol[/QUOTE]
that's when rule was changed which Wade plays pretty much his whole career under that rule.
he took 7 more shots per game by getting 1 more FT at same year as Wade's ft high for a season. Do you honestly think Wade took that much more beating than AI during any year of AI's career? talking about D whistle
Wade 18.8 FGA for 10.7 FTA
AI 25.3 FGA for 11.5 FTA
AI's worst fg % year he was taking 28 FGA and only went to line 9.8 FT
talking about an easy scoring era
[QUOTE=Shih508]that's when rule was changed which Wade plays pretty much his whole career under that rule.
he took 7 more shots per game by getting 1 more FT at same year as Wade's ft high for a season. Do you honestly think Wade took that much more beating than AI during any year of AI's career? talking about D whistle
Wade 18.8 FGA for 10.7 FTA
AI 25.3 FGA for 11.5 FTA
AI's worst fg % year he was taking 28 FGA and only went to line 9.8 FT
talking about an easy scoring era[/QUOTE]
Good numbers. Good post.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Somewhat true.
However, not acknowledging how much easier perimeter players have it right now compared to the 90s or the early part of this 00's is just silly.
I'd take Wade over Iverson rather easily, but prime Iverson in this league since 05 would be putting up 35 a game if wanted to on much better efficiency.
Just look at what Iverson did in 06.
33 a game on 45% shooting.....54% true shooting.
Its not random that Iverson had his best scoring year in the same year the NBA really went overboard on the new rules.[/QUOTE]
I think the reason why Iverson FG% went up because of Webber give Iverson more lanes and space for him to do his thing. That hole hand checking thing got series in 2004-2005 season when Iverson still shots only 42%. Iverson's FG% dropped again once Webber wasnt in game shape that next season and then his FG% went back up playing for the Nuggets with Melo.
[QUOTE=Bigsmoke]GET OUT OF HERE.
The Sixers from 10 years ago would beat the Heat? Celtics? Bulls? THunder? Mavs? Lakers?
Old people and their "era" shit[/QUOTE]
this year's celtics, thunders, lakers, i'm pretty sure. Bulls/Mavs are a toss up. Heats depend on how choke lebron is!
remember, ur bulls this years is a tailor made 01 sixers lmao
[QUOTE=Bigsmoke]GET OUT OF HERE.
The Sixers from 10 years ago would beat the Heat? Celtics? Bulls? THunder? Mavs? Lakers?
Old people and their "era" shit[/QUOTE]
Um dude.. Iverson's Sixers were basically what the Bulls are now but better. Iverson was better than Rose is now... Mutombo was WAY better than Noah and as a unit defensively the Sixers spank these Bulls. Yes Allen's Sixers could play with any of the teams you mentioned. If they could play with Shaq/Kobe Lakers at the peak.. why wouldn't they be able to? The year the Sixers went to the finals Mutombo won DPOY...
[QUOTE=Bigsmoke]I think the reason [B][B]why Iverson FG% went up because of Webber give Iverson more lanes and space for him to do his thing. [/B][/B]Iverson's FG% dropped again once Webber wasnt in game shape that next season and then his FG% went back up playing for the Nuggets with Melo.[/QUOTE]
this just proves u really dunno shitz u are talking about, when webber was traded he's been virtually playing with one leg and getting reb off his teammates and playing 0 defense, what made u think sac would trade webber for 3 unknown no potential PFs.
[QUOTE=Shih508]now u are really overrating AI's supporting casts. Tyrone was at the end of his career, lynch was injured during that playoff that's why sixers had no one to guard Kobe besides rookie Raja bell.[/QUOTE]
Eric Snow guarded Kobe and Kobe said he was one of the toughest defenders he faced and look at Kobe's numbers vs Snow and then vs the other teams. He put up like 35 ppg on 47% vs Sacramento and an elite defender(Doug Christie), 33 ppg on 51%, iirc vs the league's best defensive team San Antonio and then 25 ppg on 41-42%, iirc vs Philly. Philly also had Aaron McKie to guard Kobe who was another very good defender. Hill put up 10/9 that year, a little better than his career numbers.
Wade didn't have a guy anywhere near Mutombo or Theo Ratliff's level blocking shots in 2009 or 2010 either. Nevermind that both were double digit scorers too, in fact, Mutombo averaged 14/14/3 in the 2001 playoffs and Aaron McKie also provided a more reliable offensive option at 15/5/5 than any of Wade's 2009 or 2010 teammates.
Iverson's 2001 cast was MUCH better than Wade's 2009 and 2010 casts, he also didn't have to always set up his teammates either because he had McKie and Snow, Wade didn't have another guy who could handle the ball and be a solid facilitator on the 2009 and 2010 teams.
Lets not act like Iverson got to the finals in a similar situation to Wade's in 2009 and 2010.
[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Eric Snow guarded Kobe and Kobe said he was one of the toughest defenders he faced and look at Kobe's numbers vs Snow and then vs the other teams. He put up like 35 ppg on 47% vs Sacramento and an elite defender(Doug Christie), 33 ppg on 51%, iirc vs the league's best defensive team San Antonio and then 25 ppg on 41-42%, iirc vs Philly. Philly also had Aaron McKie to guard Kobe who was another very good defender. Hill put up 10/9 that year, a little better than his career numbers.
Wade didn't have a guy anywhere near Mutombo or Tyrone Hill's level blocking shots in 2009 or 2010 either. Nevermind that both were double digit scorers too, in fact, Mutombo averaged 14/14/3 in the 2001 playoffs and Aaron McKie also provided a more reliable offensive option at 15/5/5 than any of Wade's 2009 or 2010 teammates.
Iverson's 2001 cast was MUCH better than Wade's 2009 and 2010 casts, he also didn't have to always set up his teammates either because he had McKie and Snow, Wade didn't have another guy who could handle the ball and be a solid facilitator on the 2009 and 2010 teams.
Lets not act like Iverson got to the finals in a similar situation to Wade's in 2009 and 2010.[/QUOTE]
i can point out many ppl who guards kobe better, and who believes what kobe says anyway
battier, artest, bowen, raja bell in pheonix year? a 23 yr kobe hadn't faced enuff good defender back then.
and if george lynch wasn't injured, he'd be the one guarding kobe not snow. kobe sounded more like making excuse for being out played by AI.
when ur 3rd best playey, 2nd offerensive threat is Aaron Mckie. it's really no argument to say AI had a great supporting casts. Just a good enuff one to complement AI who's hard to build around.
Tyrone hill wasn't a shock blocker in sixers years, if you really dunno wat u are talking about u should not talk