I'm out.
Apparently 5 percentage points only count when it pertains to FG%. If you people think LeBron is comparable to Kobe as an all-around shooter, that's on you.
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I'm out.
Apparently 5 percentage points only count when it pertains to FG%. If you people think LeBron is comparable to Kobe as an all-around shooter, that's on you.
[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]... Just watch the games. It's painfully obvious that Kobe is the better mid-range scorer. The gap widens even further when you look at Kobe's prime.[/QUOTE]
Another thing to add on to all of the statistical evidence is that Kobe doesn't get near the air space Lebron does on his jumpshot. Teams respect Lebron's drive a whole lot more than they respect his shot, so they'll always give him some room to prevent the blow by. Kobe on the other hand, has always been a midrange shooter.. it's his bread and butter. Defenders would rather him get by them and have to deal with their big men than give him an open look at the basket from midrange distance. So really Lebron isn't close.
If you were to line these guys up in a gym and make them take 100 jumpers from 5 different midrange points Kobe would smoke Lebron. He just has better form and accuracy. Kobe's a flat out better shooter.
[QUOTE=StacksOnDeck]Lol @ Indian kid still pretending to be a Bulls fan.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=catch24]Where have I argued otherwise? Kobe attempts 3% more and still shoots a better % over the course of 5 seasons.[/quote]
WTF? :oldlol:. I love your selective amnesia where you continue to ignore we are comparing 10-11 LeBron to Kobe here. So no, Kobe doesn't shoot better than LeBron from 16-23 feet over the last 5 seasons. He's 5% worse, in fact.
[quote]How is 47% to 50% shooting significant?[/quote]
Where's the correlation? A superior FG% is accomplished by actually making a higher percentage of your shots. There's no accomplishment in simply jacking up more shots, and that too by such a minimal amount - 3% more from 16-23 feet and 5% more 10-15 feet. These numbers couldn't be more meaningless.
[quote]Kobe is better from 10-15 FT from his career by at least 7%[/quote]
Here we go :oldlol:. We are only comparing 10-11 LeBron to Kobe, dumbass. Stop talking about what LeBron's done prior to 10-11. Nobody's saying he was in Kobe's league as a shooter then.
[quote]My argument was confronted with stupidty. I had to bring out the volume (and stats) because your stupid ass is allergic to reality.[/quote]
We have already established that the difference in their volumes is completely insignificant. LeBron and Kobe pretty much shoot the same amount of shots from 10-23 feet, and since 10-11 LeBron's percentages match up very well against any version of Kobe, the logical conclusion is that your original statement of Kobe being way better couldn't be further from the truth.
[QUOTE=chazzy]Because we're comparing the efficiency of the two, not the total points produced from their attempts.[/quote]
It's the same thing. When we adjust for pace to deduce the league's best offensive team, we DON'T say [i]Could SA keep up their efficiency had they played at GS's pace?[/i]. How's this any different? The difference in Kobe and LeBron's volume is SO minimal that it's completely nonsensical to think LeBron wouldn't maintain his efficiency with increased FGA.
what's really funny is trying to cherry pick stats to compare lebron's best shooting season ever to kobe's worst. even so, considering clutchness, free throws and defense played on each, kobe easily comes out on top. it's so obvious that if you were to take a poll of all the nba players in the league, i bet 99% (probably 100%) would vote for kobe clearly being the better shooter. yet here you are trying to argue what's obvious to anyone that plays the game. at least we all know where you two lebron homers [B]stan[/B]d, or maybe i should say sit.
One last post:
Notice how Indian Guy is all over the place with the years he's comparing? I was talking about the 2010-2011 season where Kobe shot better from 10-15 FT by 7% (rounded) on 1+ attempt ([url]http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Kobe%20Bryant[/url]) and he switches it up to, well, 16-23 FT - [I]where LeBron has been better this season than any of Kobe's seasons in the past [/I](going back to 2007). Now for people who can comprehend the English Language, did Indian-Idiot not just compare LeBron to Kobe the past 5 seasons?
I respond, saying Kobe was better than LeBron in 2007 from 16-23 FT because he made 42% of his shots from there on 3+ more attempts! What is this clowns response? [I]Don't dimish LeBron's jumpshot just because he he is more effective from the inside.[/I]
What a f*cking joke this kid is. How do you begin to debate someone with their head that far up LeBron's ass?
Again, for the last time - Kobe (since you indirectly made the comparison more than just a season) was better than LeBron, as a shooter, not just from 16-23 FT, during the 2006-2007 season.
Anyone is welcome to look for themselves ([url]http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Kobe%20Bryant)[/url]. Notice the volume of shots from 16-23FT, the better % from 10-15 FT, and of course, the better FT shooting).
[QUOTE=Indian guy]Watch the games, nobody's playing LeBron for the drive anymore. He's as tightly guarded as anyone.[/QUOTE]
oh my.. not sure if serious...
[QUOTE=YAWN]oh my.. not sure if serious...[/QUOTE]
lol
Kobe is a better mid range shooter than LeBron. That's a fact. It's not that big of a deal, anyway. That doesn't make him the superior player IMO.
This thread is about Kobe's lame ass dunk anyway...not LBJ
Do you guys relize that FT percentage is the ultimate way of checking how good a player is at shooting the basketball? Pick any of the greatest shooters in the game~ Nash, Dirk, Ray Allen, etc. literally anyone of them. They ALL shoot like 90% from the stripe. Then look at all of the terrible shooters.. Shaq, Ben Wallace.. they shoot terribly from the line. Free throw shooting is a great benchmark of form, confidence in the shot, and overall accuracy. You cant just compare raw data with these guys because one is played for the shot and one is played for the drive.. and the one who faces more pressure on his jumpshot STILL is more efficient.
FT Shooting 10-11:
Kobe: 83%
Lebron: 76%
It's not even close. Lebron's shot doesn't compare whatsoever to Kobe's. The only reason Lebron shot better from the midrange this year than he did in previous years is because he had less overall defensive attention on him[because of Wade and Bosh].
[QUOTE=catch24]One last post:
Notice how Indian Guy is all over the place with the seasons he's comparing?[/quote]
Sure you aren't talking about yourself? When have I ever not compared 10-11 LeBron to ONLY 07-11 Kobe in this thread?
[quote]I was talking about the 2010-2011 season[/quote]
You mean the season you kept dis-including initially because you felt Kobe was [i]injured and returning from surgery[/i]? Why suddenly approve of this season now after completely discounting it at the beginning?
[quote]What is this clowns response? [I]Don't dimish LeBron's jumpshot this season just because he he is more effective from the inside.[/I][/quote]
Which was a perfectly legit response to explain the completely miniscule difference(4%) between their FGA from 10-23 feet. 07-11 Kobe, for all purposes, wasn't shooting jumpers any more than LeBron was in 10-11.
[quote]Again, for the last time - Kobe (since you indirectly made the comparison more than this season)[/quote]
I was taking his average over the last 5 seasons, not comparing singular seasons. And even if we pretend 06-07 was [i]on a different level than LeBron[/i](even though all data disagrees), you are basing your opinion of Kobe>>>>>>>>>LeBron TODAY based on what happened 5 years ago? WTF??
Indian guy, you're wrong. It's okay. Also remove the Bulls avy. You never post about them.
Can't help myself (honestly, I just wanna know why IG fights reality)... Sue me.
Does Kobe not shoot better than LeBron from the Freethrow line and 10-15 FT, by at LEAST 14%+ all-together? Where as LeBron, just this last two seasons (but we're only comparing and contrasting this year) only shoots better from 3PT and 16-23 FT (8% better all-together), correct?
Now when factoring how they're covered (remember Kobe is [I]strictly[/I] a jumpshooter now), do the numbers not back that Kobe is easily a better all-around shooter?
btw when did mid 70 % wing ft shooters become good shooters? :oldlol: