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[QUOTE=Fatal9]One of those four is simply not as good as the others. "Rank in any order" is for guys who were on the same basic level as each other, and Kobe just...isn't.[/QUOTE]
In the entire decade of the 00's, Kobe was the best player on the floor in the majority of the Western Playoffs series between Duncan's Spurs and Kobe's Lakers (even when playing with Shaq.)
Comparing a player who is still playing and isn
[QUOTE=rodman91]Larry Bird has better stats,more MVPs,tied as FMVPs.2 more rings as sidekick can't beat that career.[/QUOTE]
less points, injured more, played in a weak era where only Lakers and Celtics were legit every year, way worse endurance, never even scored 80 points, 2 less rings...
[QUOTE=TheLogo]I agree.
I would still take Kobe because he has the intangibles.
He has hit more game winners and played more shutdown defense than Bird.[/QUOTE]
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Yes bird might be a higher percentage shooter but it didn't matter because he got lit up on defense so much, whereas Kobe shuts down his man every time.
Also Bird played his entire career with the man that many call the greatest post scorer of all time. Kobe only had what, 5-6 years with Shaq? And then he managed to win without him.
The case for Kobe keeps getting stronger
[QUOTE=Nick Young]:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Yes bird might be a higher percentage shooter but it didn't matter because he got lit up on defense so much, [I][I][B]whereas Kobe shuts down his man every time.[/B][/I][/I]
Also Bird played his entire career with the man that many call the greatest post scorer of all time. Kobe only had what, 5-6 years with Shaq? And then he managed to win without him.
The case for Kobe keeps getting stronger[/QUOTE]
lies
[QUOTE=kaiiu]no he didnt actually[/QUOTE]
:facepalm What exactly did he do to him then?
While I do think Bird was the better player for a variety of reasons, it's not nearly as big of a gap as people are making it out to be. You're talking about two top 10 players of all-time who can play with and be better than anyone who's ever played the sport on a given night.
[QUOTE=The Iron Fist]Heres 4 random players Bird played with
Robert Parrish HOF
Kevin McHale HOF
Dennis Johnson HOF
Bill Walton HOF
Heres 4 random players Kobe played with
Chris Mihm
Kwame Brown
Smush Parker
Shaquille Oneal[/QUOTE]
this could be the dumbest, most dishonest post I've ever read.
[QUOTE=imlmf]at what? raping white girls? you f ucking fa99ot[/QUOTE]
Kobe never raped her. Read the trial transcripts and a Kobe-Bird thread doesn't need race brought into it.
[QUOTE=Nick Young]less points, injured more, [B]played in a [SIZE="5"]weak era[/SIZE] where only Lakers and Celtics were legit every year[/B], way worse endurance, never even scored 80 points, 2 less rings...[/QUOTE]
If there was a basketball commenting penalty box, you'd be in it.
Also what are you talking about with endurance? Bird played major minutes and was always fresh at the end of the game.
Are you talkin about career longevity? cuz that is a different thing. is Robert Parish better than Bill Russell because he played longer?
:facepalm this thread and this site are clueless.
what you can read on ISH is just unbelievable. maybe some are paid to post bullshit in order to get 10 pages of...bullshit.
Posting in a troll thread
feelsgoodman
[QUOTE=Nick Young]less points, injured more, played in a weak era where only Lakers and Celtics were legit every year, way worse endurance, never even scored 80 points, 2 less rings...[/QUOTE]
less points...
[B]Kobe : 25.3 ppg (45.4%)
Bird: 24.3 ppg (49.6%)
1 ppg more..but %4 less...[/B]
Injured more..
[B]Except last 2 season,Bird played most of the games..There isn't difference between two players.[/B]
Weak Era...
[B]80's had most stacked teams...:wtf: [/B]
Endurance..
[B]Not much difference.Both played heavy minutes. Where did you get the idea way worse?
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Never scored 80 points..
[B]True.So?[/B]
2 less rings...
[B]1 more as franchise player though.[/B]
[B]Bird played 13 season..Kobe played 15..But still..
Bird's worst %FG season when he was injured, was %45.4.. That's Kobe's career %FG.
Bird had 5 seasons over %50 and one season almost %50 at FG%.Kobe has 0 season near to %50.
Bird had 6 seasons over %40 at 3 points.Kobe has 0 seasons so far.
Bird had 5 seasons over %90 at FT.Kobe has 0 seasons..
Despite he was PF/SF, Bird had 3 seasons more than 7 assist per game.Kobe has 0 seasons.
He had 8 seasons more than 6 assist per game.Kobe has 1 season assisted 6 per game.
As PF/SF, he has better steal per game than Kobe.
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:violin:
Magic > Bird >>>>>> Kobe
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:lol
I think Kobe and Bird is a good debate.
Both different type players who played different positions as well.
Of course Kobe is the better athlete and better defender. Bird is the better shooter. Both are competitive and both demand the ball in the clutch. IMO you can not go wrong with either or.
This one is a tough one for me because I really like and respect both players and I watched both in their primes. But by a very narrow margin I would go with Kobe. Yes I understand he is a scorer rather then a shooter but Kobe has more intangibles with his game. He can hurt you in more ways IMO. In his prime he can lock down on Dee, take a fall away J, post up, drive pass you, etc. etc. And just like Larry Kobe wants to cut your heart out.
So there you go Kobe > Larry