Dirk is above KG in the all-time list

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Kobe

18- 12.5
19- 12.8
20- 19.1
21- 19.3
22- 25.0


Dirk

18
19
20
21
22- 22.3


:bowdown: to Dirk for avoiding the NBA playoffs until he was 22 :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

even if we start removing years from kobe....he still only has a 2 ppg edge on dirk on noticeably worse overall efficiency. kobe is take 2 to 3 more shots per game to get those points. which most likely results in 4 to 5 more possessions used when you account for kobe's higher turnover rate and worse ft shooting.

lol at kobe being in a different league. 2 ppg better on worse efficiency....and that is if we just chop off 4 years.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]their overall efficiency is not identical. dirk is 4% higher on ts and has a clear edge in fg%, 3pt%, and ft%[/quote]

At their peak, not careers. I was going off of Tpols list.

Efficiency =/= from the field.

[quote]and Dirk has averaged more ppg in the playoffs.[/quote]

Again though - Kobe has played in more playoff games (going deeper, evidence to his 7 Finals trips). That's something you gotta take into consideration.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]even if we start removing years from kobe....he still only has a 2 ppg edge on dirk on noticeably worse overall efficiency. kobe is take 2 to 3 more shots per game to get those points. which most likely results in 4 to 5 more possessions used when you account for kobe's higher turnover rate and worse ft shooting.

[B]lol at kobe being in a different league. [/B] 2 ppg better on worse efficiency....and that is if we just chop off 4 years.[/QUOTE]

I guess this is what I was debating about. I never said that Dirk was a better scorer than Kobe. I just think it's funny that people think that 2 points on 3 more shots makes it so we can't even debate about it. This is an NBA forum. That's kinda the point.

(And by debate, I mean discuss it like adults like most of us are doing... not just throw out "Dork Nowtizki can't carry his jock strapz! LOL :roll: :roll: :roll: " )

[QUOTE=Bigsmoke]lol just last year, u were shitting Dirk on every thread like u wasn't a Mavs fan.[/QUOTE]
Dude is a damn JOKE.

[QUOTE=catch24]At their peak, not careers. I was going off of Tpols list.

Efficiency =/= from the field.



Again though - Kobe has played in more playoff games (going deeper, evidence to his 7 Finals trips). That's something you gotta take into consideration.[/QUOTE]

kobe has also played with far better teams. can't ignore that. i can't imagine what dirk's efficiency would have looked like playing on loaded teams throughout his career. dirk might have shot 55% next to shaq. goes both ways.

and again, dirk is more efficient from the field. he beats kobe in fg% and efg%....marginally of course....but no less marginal than kobe scoring 2 more ppg in those 10 prime years on 2 to 3 more shots per game.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]even if we start removing years from kobe....he still only has a 2 ppg edge on dirk on noticeably worse overall efficiency. kobe is take 2 to 3 more shots per game to get those points. which most likely results in 4 to 5 more possessions used when you account for kobe's higher turnover rate and worse ft shooting.

lol at kobe being in a different league. 2 ppg better on worse efficiency....and that is if we just chop off 4 years.[/QUOTE]

Not all "years" are created equal. Kobe's 3 best years includes 60 games 2 rings and a trip to the Finals. Dirk's 3 best years include 21 games and two 1st round exits. Its silly to equate the two.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]

STRAIGHT ETHER[/B]

:cheers:[/QUOTE]
Kobe has 7 different post-seasons with higher averages than Dork's best, more 40+ point games, more 30+ point games, and does better in his extended runs against better defenses.

Then he completely destroys him in the RS.

40+ point games
Kobe--110
Dork--20

50+ point games
Kobe--25
Dork--2

60+ point games
Kobe--5
Dork--0

Straight ether.

Kobe is on a different level.

:oldlol:

Jacks3, can you do me a favor and keep posting the same post over and over. I didn't see it the first time. Nor did I respond do it.

U mad that Kobe shits all over Dork as a scorer. :pimp:

According to people in this thread (and according to last years playoffs)

Durant, Dirk, Rose, Howard (lol), Melo, Wade, Westbrook and LeBron are all better scorers than Kobe.

And since Durant, Dirk, Rose, Wade, Westbrook and LeBron went further in the playoffs, the gap is even wider since they did it over more games.

Sad to see how much Kobe has fallen off.

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Not all "years" are created equal. Kobe's 3 best years includes 60 games 2 rings and a trip to the Finals. Dirk's 3 best years include 21 games and two 1st round exits. Its silly to equate the two.[/QUOTE]

We took Kobe's 10 best years in the playoffs vs Dirk's 10 best.

And you get roughly Kobe scoring 2 more ppg on worse overall efficiency.

Dirk's offensive rating absolutely blows Kobe's out of the water as well. Dirk has 6 playoff runs over 119. Kobe has 0. Kobe's highest is 117. Dirk's highest is 130 (124 on an extended run)......

Another offensive measure that favors Dirk....shocking.

Dirk also destroys kobe in offensive win shares overall and peak. Dirk's peak was 3.8 in 06 in 23 games. Kobes was 3.3 in 09 in 23 games.

Another offensive measure that favors Dirk....shocking.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]We took Kobe's 10 best years in the playoffs vs Dirk's 10 best.

And you get roughly Kobe scoring 2 more ppg on worse overall efficiency.

Dirk's offensive rating absolutely blows Kobe's out of the water as well. Dirk has 6 playoff runs over 119. Kobe has 0. Kobe's highest is 117. Dirk's highest is 130 (124 on an extended run)......

Another offensive measure that favors Dirk....shocking.[/QUOTE]

But..But...... Kobe scored 40 points on a million shots against a bad team in a (probably) losing effort in the regular season! He's way better at getting points!

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]kobe has also played with far better teams. can't ignore that. i can't imagine what dirk's efficiency would have looked like playing on loaded teams throughout his career. dirk might have shot 55% next to shaq. goes both ways.[/quote]

lol

Dirk has played with several contenders..and multiple all-stars too. Finley, Nash? That's not a prime Shaq, but those guys were pretty fukkin solid. 7 Finals trips, multiple semi and conference finals, 4,000+ more minutes on his belt...of course Kobe has a lower PPG output. Dirk's numbers will likely go down before he retires as well.

[quote]and again, dirk is more efficient from the field. he beats kobe in fg% and efg%....marginally of course....[/quote]

From the field, as you said, it was marginal, but Kobe's PPG was sometimes 3-4+ pts higher. Kobe was the better volume scorer at his peak.

imo, Dirk is better now though.

[QUOTE=FF1]But..But...... Kobe scored 40 points on a million shots against a bad team in a (probably) losing effort in the regular season! He's way better at getting points![/QUOTE]

I'm not talking about the regular season...i'm talking about the playoffs...but the point still stands.

If Kobe has more 40 point playoff games and the ppg averages are so close...that means he has more awful games. Its the law of averages. Clearly a concept lost on the stans here.

We've already chopped 4 years off Kobe's career for no good reason other than he just wasn't very good yet. Funny, I wonder if they will also negate all the points Kobe scored those years as Kobe climbs up the all time points list? I doubt it.

[QUOTE=FF1]

Sad to see how much Kobe has fallen off.[/QUOTE]
Sad to see how much Kobe shits all over Dirk, yes.

40+ point games
Kobe--110
Dork--20

50+ point games
Kobe--25
Dork--2

60+ point games
Kobe--5
Dork--0

Damn Dork. It's not even close. :oldlol: