Wilt's Tall Tales

[QUOTE=DKLaker][B]I know right.....I was at every Lakers home game in the 60's[/B], saw all these guys play and it is a complete and utter joke to try to compare them to the players of today......the great players were truly great....but there were a ton of scrubs and he skills and especially the athleticism.....with few big exceptions was very pahetic. Jeez, I almost sh!t myself when Westbrook threw down that dunk, the first thing I thought was a PG in the 60's and 70's couldn't even dream of throwing down a dunk like that, wow has the game really changed!!!

Wilt was an absolute freak of nature way ahead of his time.
It amazes me tho that Elgin Baylor gets no mention on here.....career 27.5 points, 13.5 boards, 4 assists. Averaged 38ppg and 19rpg in one season, scored 71 points in a game......Kobe had to WORK to beat that one.......and had 61 in a playoff game....still the most in a regulation playoff game, Jordan's 63 was in double OT. Oh and Baylor had 22 boards in the 61 point game.
He also kept the Lakers franchise from going under......can you even imagine that?
Baylor is #4 with 87 40+ point games........there was NO 3 POINT LINE WHEN HE PLAYED!!!!!!! OR maybe he would've scored 100!!!

We need some love for Elgin Baylor :bowdown:[/QUOTE]


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[QUOTE=DKLaker]I know right.....I was at every Lakers home game in the 60's, saw all these guys play and it is a complete and utter joke to try to compare them to the players of today......the great players were truly great....but there were a ton of scrubs and he skills and especially the athleticism.....with few big exceptions was very pahetic. Jeez, I almost sh!t myself when Westbrook threw down that dunk, the first thing I thought was a PG in the 60's and 70's couldn't even dream of throwing down a dunk like that, wow has the game really changed!!!

Wilt was an absolute freak of nature way ahead of his time.
It amazes me tho that Elgin Baylor gets no mention on here.....career 27.5 points, 13.5 boards, 4 assists. Averaged 38ppg and 19rpg in one season, scored 71 points in a game......Kobe had to WORK to beat that one.......and had 61 in a playoff game....still the most in a regulation playoff game, Jordan's 63 was in double OT. Oh and Baylor had 22 boards in the 61 point game.
He also kept the Lakers franchise from going under......can you even imagine that?
Baylor is #4 with 87 40+ point games........there was NO 3 POINT LINE WHEN HE PLAYED!!!!!!! OR maybe he would've scored 100!!!

We need some love for Elgin Baylor :bowdown:[/QUOTE]
wait 60s' LA home game?

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]wait 60s' LA home game?[/QUOTE]

Yeah......I'm old.
The Lakers moved to LA in 1960 and played at the Sports Arena next to the Coliseum a block from USC. My dad got season tickets.
My childhood sucked because of the Fking Boston Celtics......I STILL hate them and never wear anything green.......true. But I do respect the franchise.

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]wait 60s' LA home game?[/QUOTE]


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[QUOTE]Originally Posted by DKLaker
I know right.....I was at every Lakers home game in the 60's, saw all these guys play and it is a complete and utter joke to try to compare them to the players of today......the great players were truly great....but there were a ton of scrubs and he skills and especially the athleticism.....with few big exceptions was very pahetic. [B]Jeez, I almost sh!t myself when Westbrook threw down that dunk, the first thing I thought was a PG in the 60's and 70's couldn't even dream of throwing down a dunk like that[/B], wow has the game really changed!!!

Wilt was an absolute freak of nature way ahead of his time.
It amazes me tho that Elgin Baylor gets no mention on here.....career 27.5 points, 13.5 boards, 4 assists. Averaged 38ppg and 19rpg in one season, scored 71 points in a game......Kobe had to WORK to beat that one.......and had 61 in a playoff game....still the most in a regulation playoff game, Jordan's 63 was in double OT. Oh and Baylor had 22 boards in the 61 point game.
He also kept the Lakers franchise from going under......can you even imagine that?
Baylor is #4 with 87 40+ point games........there was NO 3 POINT LINE WHEN HE PLAYED!!!!!!! OR maybe he would've scored 100!!!

We need some love for Elgin Baylor [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]wait 60s' LA home game?[/QUOTE]

:lol

Rule changes you stupid ass, rule changes.

If you breath on a guard today, you've just "fouled" them.

If you charge the paint in the 60's, athleticism doesn't mean jack shit. That guy needs to re-assess what really has changed. I have video footage of a 6'1 white dude that played for LA as a [I]backup[/I] point guard throwin down dunks. "Athleticism" is not why Westbrook dunks. No, weak centers today and NBA rules changes IE tic-tac fouls is why guards do what guards do today.

Oscar is bigger, stronger PG than anyone in the game today.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv5GrV1GAnA[/url]
Slammed the f_ck down by Wilt.

This shit is ****ing WEAK. This is the modern NBA.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FYteAwXt4I[/url]
:facepalm :roll:

A different game indeed.... due to rule changes.

[QUOTE=DKLaker]Yeah......I'm old.
The Lakers moved to LA in 1960 and played at the Sports Arena next to the Coliseum a block from USC. My dad got season tickets.
My childhood sucked because of the Fking Boston Celtics......I STILL hate them and never wear anything green.......true. But I do respect the franchise.[/QUOTE]
So are you 70? 65? how old?

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]:lol

Rule changes you stupid ass, rule changes.

If you breath on a guard today, you've just "fouled" them.

If you charge the paint in the 60's, athleticism doesn't mean jack shit. That guy needs to re-assess what really has changed. I have video footage of a 6'1 white dude that played for LA as a [I]backup[/I] point guard throwin down dunks. "Athleticism" is not why Westbrook dunks. No, weak centers today and NBA rules changes IE tic-tac fouls is why guards do what guards do today.

Oscar is bigger, stronger PG than anyone in the game today.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv5GrV1GAnA[/url]
Slammed the f_ck down by Wilt.

This shit is ****ing WEAK. This is the modern NBA.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FYteAwXt4I[/url]
:facepalm :roll:[/QUOTE]
It's a weaker ****ing era
look at the video :oldlol:

Use your ****ing brain :facepalm

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]:lol

Rule changes you stupid ass, rule changes.

If you breath on a guard today, you've just "fouled" them.

If you charge the paint in the 60's, athleticism doesn't mean jack shit. That guy needs to re-assess what really has changed. I have video footage of a 6'1 white dude that played for LA as a [I]backup[/I] point guard throwin down dunks. "Athleticism" is not why Westbrook dunks. No, weak centers today and NBA rules changes IE tic-tac fouls is why guards do what guards do today.

Oscar is bigger, stronger PG than anyone in the game today.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv5GrV1GAnA[/url]
Slammed the f_ck down by Wilt.

This shit is ****ing WEAK. This is the modern NBA.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FYteAwXt4I[/url]
:facepalm :roll:[/QUOTE]

Oscar was a BEAST......no doubt about that.......but the reality is that there was a HUGE athletic disparity which is why a small forward could put up enormous rebounding numbers like Elgin.
And come on.......look at the god awful pathetic dribbling of the 60 and early 70's compared to today.

HOW OLD ARE YOU?????

someone just post any random 60's highlight video. anybody

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]So are you 70? 65? how old?[/QUOTE]

I'm not going to say exactly.......but yeah.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEdiptkyYsY&t=5m43s[/url]

The NBA announcers and fans have heart attacks over this shit.

Yet it's a cheesy "sensational basket" in 1965.

Westbrook is doing nothing that wasn't already done in the 60's. I can't believe a guy who says he watched the NBA all through the 60's has forgotten that identical plays today were happening in the 60's.

The only thing that's changed are the rules, that opened up the game for smaller guards and killed the center spot, and the media's massive HYPE and fans REACTIONS to awesome plays. Those people in the crowd, the guy recapping the play, they're all practicing restraint and stifling the spectacle.

Today, Joakim Noah can jump 10" off the ground and dunk on someone half his size and get a "OOOOOOOOOOHHHH MYYYYYYY JOAKIM FOR THE STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!#!!111111111"

Do not underestimate the influence of improved marketing.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEdiptkyYsY&t=5m43s[/url]

The NBA announcers and fans have heart attacks over this shit.

Yet it's a cheesy "sensational basket" in 1965.

Westbrook is doing nothing that wasn't already done in the 60's. I can't believe a guy who says he watched the NBA all through the 60's has forgotten that identical plays today were happening in the 60's.

The only thing that's changed are the rules, that opened up the game for smaller guards and killed the center spot, and the media's massive HYPE and fans REACTIONS to awesome plays. Those people in the crowd, the guy recapping the play, they're all practicing restraint and stifling the spectacle.

Today, Joakim Noah can jump 10" off the ground and dunk on someone half his size and get a "OOOOOOOOOOHHHH MYYYYYYY JOAKIM FOR THE STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!#!!111111111"

Do not underestimate the influence of improved marketing.[/QUOTE]
You are getting close to 32Dayz status

[QUOTE=DKLaker]Oscar was a BEAST......no doubt about that.......but the reality is that there was a HUGE athletic disparity which is why a small forward could put up enormous rebounding numbers like Elgin.
And come on.......look at the god awful pathetic dribbling of the 60 and early 70's compared to today.

HOW OLD ARE YOU?????[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvMq-eX_pNw&t=12m[/url]

Old enough to know that gradual NBA rule changes combined with the improved marketing of the NBA immensely influences peoples perception of modern players vs their vintage counterparts. Doesn't matter how old you are or how old I am. The 1960's was simply not the era that showcased guards, it showcased centers. Guards today are more capable because the rules have changed (out of necessity).

Crossover (aka handles) = a carry in the 1960's

Tic-tac fouls = non-existent in the 1960's

Range? = Just about useless w/o a 3 point line...

Big men and back to the basket skills ruled the 60's. Almost everyone had a hook shot. The league has expanded, it hasn't been able to sustain or draft enough talented big men to fill the rosters since at least the 1970's and the league has just kept growing. So it has done everything possible to showcase and market the guards/forwards and that includes altering what they are allowed to do.

You don't think 60's players were [I]capable[/I] of carrying the ball for crossovers if they were allowed to do them!? You don't think they'd charge Wilt and Bill if they were gonna draw an easy foul instead get called for charging - or slammed into the floorboards? You don't think Wilt or Bill wouldn't be forced to move away in order to not foul out - thereby allowing guards to have the confidence to sky for easy dunks!? Come on.

I agree the NBA changed. I just don't agree with you on "why" - and how good or bad it means players have been over time. The skill sets followed the rules. The athleticism argument is massively overrated. Bogut was the leagues leading shot blocking, Joel Anthony is the starting center for the heat, Zydrunas, Pau, Varejao, the Lopez Twins... come on. The league obviously shifted from dominating centers to dominating guards - and not because of athleticism.

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]You are getting close to 32Dayz status[/QUOTE]

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same...:oldlol: