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[QUOTE=SMoKe0uT]did wilt have 2 hall of fame guards a hall of fame center (well PF in his case) and maybe the best coach of all time? naa didnt think so. and on top of that faced the greates dynasty of all time.
brilliant argument bro
next.[/QUOTE]
You know Wilt played with a lot of Hall of Famers, correct? Including Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Hal Greer, and Billy Cunningham?
[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Not that I'm trying to start a Wilt vs Kobe argument...
It still boggles my mind as to how Wilt never led his teams to back to back titles.
He was the anchor to two of the greatest teams of all-time, but it's crazy to me.
Anyways, carry on.[/QUOTE]
Because they were going up against the dynasty Celtics.
[QUOTE=RRR3]:sleeping[/QUOTE]
who cares? he sucessfully defended his title before stop pulling random ish outta nowhere.
LOL @ grasping at straws. Like there is a perfect basketball player or something.
every great has failed at some point. even god himself Jordan.
[QUOTE=SMoKe0uT]who cares? he sucessfully defended his title before stop pulling random ish outta nowhere.
LOL @ grasping at straws. Like there is a perfect basketball player or something.
[B]every great has failed at some point.[/B] even god himself Jordan.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. So stop faulting Duncan for silly reasons to try and prop up your boy.
[QUOTE=RRR3]Because they were going up against the dynasty Celtics.[/QUOTE]
My point exactly! i would give duncan a pass also if that was the case.
also i never said kobe > Wilt.
LOL lakers teams of the 60-70's were overated including thier players.
[QUOTE]Because they were going up against the dynasty Celtics.[/QUOTE]
While that team was a juggernaut... the other times Wilt's teams did win a championship:
Wilt's 1968 Sixers team were up 3-1 vs the Celtics and lost that series (one of my deciding factors of having Russell over Wilt)
Wilt's 1973 Lakers team actually faced the Knicks and lost in 5 games.
I don't know... I feel they could have pulled it off.
[QUOTE]Kobe failed to defend a title with Shaq, Karl Malone, Gary Payton and Phil Jackson as coach.[/QUOTE]
Actually they weren't defending the title. They lost in 2003 after 3 peating.
Plus, Malone was done after that knee injury, Payton never figured out the triangle... both really were on their last wheels... Kobe and Shaq were at each others necks... just too much poison for that team to beat the Pistons that year (when I look back at them, they were actually the more well-rounded and better team).
[QUOTE=RRR3]Exactly. So stop faulting Duncan for silly reasons to try and prop up your boy.[/QUOTE]
Im not propping up my boy man. I just gave you my opinion about the situation.
I respect your's it nothing more than a debate thats all sorry if i came off rude.
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basketball fan 2nd
Kobe fan 3rd
Jordan fan 4th
you gotta admit both wilt and duncan choked when they had the targets on thier back.
How many seasons has TD played? This is his 15th season? over these last two seasons, he is averaging, what, 14 pts and 9 boards? something like that?
Ain't exactly KAJ material, but fairly impressive for 14th and 15th season.
[QUOTE=Artillery]If Kobe had Duncan's demeanor, he never would have ran Shaq/Jackson out of LA in '04. If Kobe had Duncan's demeanor, LA probably wins against Detroit in the '04 Finals(Kobe's ballhog mentality would be replaced by Duncan's team first mentality).[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Not that I'm trying to start a Wilt vs Kobe argument...
[B]It still boggles my mind as to how Wilt never led his teams to back to back titles.[/B]
He was the anchor to two of the greatest teams of all-time, but it's crazy to me.
Anyways, carry on.[/QUOTE]
His behavior. He was a complex person with a massive ego, a nightmare to keep happy by coaches/players surrounding him. That + free throws are his two true achilles' heels. He blew his chances for back to backs because of the same thing that is now a common dominant bigman problem these days. Simply getting along with everyone. Just think back to Dwight/Bynum/Shaq's best moments and then put their attitudes behind a person who thinks he is even [I]more[/I] high and mighty
[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Not that I'm trying to start a Wilt vs Kobe argument...
It still boggles my mind as to how Wilt never led his teams to back to back titles.
He was the anchor to two of the greatest teams of all-time, but it's crazy to me.
Anyways, carry on.[/QUOTE]
Its because a championship is a team accomplishment... its as simple as that, if you dont have the supporting cast required to win a championship then you can
drop a 50 ppg - 30 rpg (Wilt) if you want, you can be the greatest/most consistant clutch shooter ever (Reggie), you can be the most complete all-round player ever (Oscar) and NEVER win a ring or maybe 1-2 if lucky....
Everybody know this, but some homers/stans who KNOW their favorite player was nowhere near as great of an actual basketball player use that ring argument to catapult their favorite player way above somebody who was actually a much more talented-skilled-dominant-productive player... trying to act like a championship is the act of one man and that "Stats, MVPs and so on are "empty"....
[QUOTE=pauk]Its because a championship is a team accomplishment... its as simple as that, if you dont have the supporting cast required to win a championship then you can
drop a 50 ppg - 30 rpg (Wilt) if you want, you can be the greatest/most consistant clutch shooter ever (Reggie), you can be the most complete all-round player ever (Oscar) and NEVER win a ring or maybe 1-2 if lucky....
Everybody know this, but some homers/stans who KNOW their favorite player was nowhere near as great of an actual basketball player use that ring argument to catapult their favorite player way above somebody who was actually a much more talented-skilled-dominant-productive player... trying to act like a championship is the act of one man and that "Stats, MVPs and so on are "empty"....[/QUOTE]
Hey remember when Wilt was outscored by Jason Terry in the NBA Finals?
[QUOTE=DJ Leon Smith]Hey remember when Wilt was outscored by Jason Terry in the NBA Finals?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]What do analysts think?
Before the 2010 NBA finals began, Interbasket asked 54 sportswriters, analysts, and basketball experts from around the country to name the top 5 NBA players of all-time. Not a completely surprising list, but there are some interesting results.
1. Michael Jordan 50 of 54 (92.6%)
2. Magic Johnson 44 of 54 (81.5%)
3. Wilt Chamberlain 37 of 54 (68.5%)
4. Larry Bird 35 of 54 (64.8%)
5. Bill Russell 30 of 54 (55.6%)
6. Oscar Robertson 24 of 54 (44.4%)
7. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 22 of 54 (40.7%)
8. Kobe Bryant 10 of 54 (40.7%)
Kobe got 10 votes, Duncan 2.
[url]http://www.interbasket.net/news/6831/2010/06/jordan-magic-bird-in-top-5-nba-players-all-time-kobe-bryant-8/[/url]
What do fans think?
SportsNation Rankings
rank. player. points
1.Michael Jordan 226,755
2.Magic Johnson 173,043
3.Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 150,695
4.Wilt Chamberlain 138,446
5.Larry Bird 136,612
6.Bill Russell 122,451
7.Kobe Bryant 118,471
8.Shaquille O'Neal 89,786
9.Hakeem Olajuwon 68,392
10.Tim Duncan 48,706
[url]http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/7550260[/url]
TNT Player of the Decade (2000-2009) Fan Vote
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Kobe was better. Simple.[/QUOTE]
Interesting that in the eyes of fans Oscar Robertson seems to get shafted.