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[QUOTE=juju151111]Maybe because Kobe fans overrate him and at 40 Mj barly played and was playing injured. He had knee sergery before the season the guy could barly move. The fact that Mj was dropping 40 pt and 50 pt games at age 39-40 on bum knees is something.
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:oldlol: Yeah because Jordan isn't probably the single most overrated player of All-Time. OldSchool exemplifies everything wrong with Jordan fans.
Kobe? I've watched him play since he entered the league, since I was 6 years old. Over the years he has NEVER been my favorite player. I do not necessarily like him as a person, nor do I think he makes good decisions or is the best teammate to have. I also think he is extremely arrogant but very talented.
But I always see people call him out for those faults he has, I see people critisize every other damn player to ever play the game. When's the last time Jordan was criticized? ...about ANYTHING.
He was an asshole as a player, a horrible teammate who treated his teammates like dog shit. He had terrible games in crucial settings, he missed 20+ shots, he took 45+ shots in a game etc. Yet, he's untouchable.
Bullshit, I'll take Magic Johnson over Michael Jordan any day of the week, especially if I had 4 scrubs around them.
Anyways, done with this conversation already gave me a giant headache.
[QUOTE=Clove21]I'm not talking about head to head matchups. I'm talking about looking at the state of the team as a whole.
People go "OMG, Dream Team had Jordan/Magic/Bird, they can't ever lose!!!" and don't think about it being old Magic and Bird. They are going on name alone and not looking at how all players involved were/are playing.
The only matchup people are treating as a reality is the 29 year old Jordan vs 34 year old Kobe matchup.
Put the Jordan matchup aside and tell me who on the original Dream Team dominates the game to the point that they blow out the 12' team? And then tell me who shuts down Lebron (Pippen, lol), Durant and Deron?
Not happening.[/QUOTE]
The Dream Team has a huge advantage in the paint. Ewing/DRob/Malone/Barkley are all better than any big on the current team.
Pippen was one of the best wing defenders in league history. If Lebron had trouble with a declining Marion i think Pippen could hold his own.
Who shuts down Deron, the guy who shot 40.7% this year? :oldlol:
[QUOTE=LJJ]It's not my fault that your idiot ass is incapable of composing sentences that correctly reflect what you are trying to say.
What, I'm supposed to smell that you mean something different than what you actually post? That was you being serious?
No, that was you being seriously retarded.[/QUOTE]
Cool story moron, now f!ck off.
[QUOTE=RaininTwos]I was wrong about the Drazen bit, but god damn, I guess Jordan is Jesus. Here we go with the massive overrating of the guy again.[/QUOTE]
He didn't call Jordan Jesus. He just went into a detailed explanation about part of the reason he was better then Kobe. Tell us what he's wrong about if you think so.
[QUOTE=guy]He didn't call Jordan Jesus. He just went into a detailed explanation about part of the reason he was better then Kobe. Tell us what he's wrong about if you think so.[/QUOTE]
He cant. He doesnt know how to start.
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[QUOTE=Clove21]I'm not talking about head to head matchups. I'm talking about looking at the state of the team as a whole.
People go "OMG, Dream Team had Jordan/Magic/Bird, they can't ever lose!!!" and don't think about it being old Magic and Bird. They are going on name alone and not looking at how all players involved were/are playing.
The only matchup people are treating as a reality is the 29 year old Jordan vs 34 year old Kobe matchup.
Put the Jordan matchup aside and tell me who on the original Dream Team dominates the game to the point that they blow out the 12' team? And then tell me who shuts down Lebron (Pippen, lol), Durant and Deron?
Not happening.[/QUOTE]
barkely/malone ewing /robinson....
in any combo serves whoever plays 4-5 for 2012
not even close
CT: Ewing/ Robinson/ Laettner
PF: Barkley/ Malone
SF: Pippen/ Bird/ Mullin
SG: Jordan/ Drexler
PG: Johnson/ Stockton
CT: Chandler/ Love
PF: James/ Iguodala/ Griffin
SF: Durant/ Anthony
SG: Bryant/ Harden
PG: Paul/ Williams/ Westbrook
First thing that comes to mind is that absolutely no one on the current team can guard Charles Barkley. He's going to score almost every time he touches the ball. He shot 71% from the field. That's right, 71%. Jordan could make life difficult for anyone in the 2012 team's backcourt. Pippen and Malone could guard LeBron on different areas of the court, and when the 2012 tries LeBron and center, D-Rob would have been fast enough to keep up with him.
The only weakness for the Dream Team was point guard, due to Stockton being injured, and Magic being slower. Pippen played a lot of point guard though, and excelled. Frankly, if Stockton is healthy, he and Pippen would ruin Paul, Williams and Westbrook.
[QUOTE=guy]He didn't call Jordan Jesus. He just went into a detailed explanation about part of the reason he was better then Kobe. Tell us what he's wrong about if you think so.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]He cant. He doesnt know how to start.[/QUOTE]
Funny how GOBB cant respond when I come at him, but he piggybacks other posters. Shame on you for that.
He's right though, I can't respond, I've got stuff to do lol.
I will say this, I have no qualms with him saying Jordan is better, the problem is how he presents the gap as being grand canyon sized. Something that no one in their right mind should agree with.
GOBB is still an idiot by the way.
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[QUOTE=RaininTwos]Funny how GOBB cant respond when I come at him, but he piggybacks other posters. Shame on you for that.
He's right though, I can't respond, I've got stuff to do lol.
I will say this, I have no qualms with him saying Jordan is better, the problem is how he presents the gap as being grand canyon sized. Something that no one in their right mind should agree with.
GOBB is still an idiot by the way.[/QUOTE]
You've got stuff to do? Then why are you responding with a sarcastic comment? He didn't even say anything insulting Kobe, infact he said that Kobe maybe even a more skilled 1 on 1 player. I don't know, sounds like a back pedaling response on your part.
Christian Laettner gives the Dream Team the edge.
[QUOTE=SpecialQue]Christian Laettner gives the Dream Team the edge.[/QUOTE]
word....
he knows every move coach k is going to do....so he could give the dream team a heads up....
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]First off, skill and peak are two entirely different things. Just because one is skilled doesn't mean they have impact. And Kobe is most certainly NOT as skilled as Jordan. Maybe in terms of strictly 1-on-1 ability [B]with[/B] the ball he's close and arguably superior, but in terms of total basketball skill? No way. Jordan's off the ball game alone destroys Kobe's, and he was a far smarter player in general about using defender's momentum, his teammates' bodies etc. to get good looks. [B]Better rebounder by a good margin, better passer/playmaker, better post player, better defender (vastly better team/help defender, actually). It adds up to at least a 10% difference in impact prime vs. prime and especially peak vs peak. No version of Kobe is seeing '89-'92 Jordan, and especially '90 or '91 Jordan.[/B]
Petro never scored more than 26 on the Bulls, and that was on 40% shooting. He did have a couple of good games in the low-mid 20's against them, though. [B]Regardless, players like Petrovic are in many ways harder to stop than players like Kobe, because he plays without the ball, is a better shooter, and was a smarter player. Kobe's strengths as an offensive player, by contrast, play right into Jordan's strengths as a defender. He'd get sucked in to a 1-on-1 battle and Jordan would pretty handily get the better of that matchup.[/B][/QUOTE]
Bolded= trolling. There is no way that Jordan is better in every facet of the damn game in comparison to Kobe. The fact that you guys see nothing wrong with what this notorious troll said is telling. I understand that you guys love MJ, I really get it, but this is out of hand. 02-03 Kobe, 07-08 Kobe are definitely competing with Jordan to the very end. You could throw in 05-06 and some other years as well.
Kobe is also an all-time great defender and I am not just going by some First team defense selections either. I've seen Kobe take on and shut down some of the best scorers the league has ever seen in a golden era of swingmen. We are talking about Kobe defending prime versions of: T-mac,Pierce,AI,Carter,Ray Allen,etc.
Kobe is a student of the game and has learned a lot of from MJ, but he's also made some things on his own as well. I don't understand how you can look at the two players and think in a head to head matchup, both in their primes, Kobe is 10% away from Jordan. That's the very definition of trolling.
This is what I've been talking about the whole summer, Jordan is getting overrated by guys on here. I don't even know what the hell I was watching all these years on WGN and the internet. It must have been a slightly less godly Jordan out there because these fables that people call descriptions are laughable.
I agree that Jordan is a slightly better player at their respective peaks, but if they went up against each other in a game, I wouldn't know who to choose.