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[QUOTE=G-train]Terrible post. Educate yourself.
I despise Bill Simmons but he knows more about Elgin than you at least.
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Great article.
****ing Boston fans :facepalm Broke into Russell's home trashed it and took a shit in his bed :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Great article.
****ing Boston fans :facepalm Broke into Russell's home trashed it and took a shit in his bed :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm[/QUOTE]
It's true that what was done to Russell was disgusting, but your misusing and misrepresenting the information by implying that it was done by "Boston fans". All it says in relation to the culprits is that they were his neighbors, dosnt say it was fans of the celtics. Do you really think celtics fans would break into their best players house and proceed to defecate upon his bed. No, i dont think celtics fans would do that.
[QUOTE=Kews1]It's true that what was done to Russell was disgusting, but your misusing and misrepresenting the information by implying that it was done by "Boston fans". All it says in relation to the culprits is that they were his neighbors, dosnt say it was fans of the celtics. Do you really think celtics fans would break into their best players house and proceed to defecate upon his bed. No, i dont think celtics fans would do that.[/QUOTE]
You vastly underestimate the strength of racism in the 50s.
[QUOTE=BlackVVaves]You vastly underestimate the strength of racism in the 50s.[/QUOTE]
Untill something can be presented as fact, dont use your personal assumptions to come to conclusions. It says nothing about Celtics fans and it is more likely that it wasnt Celtics fans. Yes racism did run that deep but in this particular article it dosnt make mention of that what-so-ever so assuming it is celtics fans is wrong
KGGGGG da gawd :bowdown:
[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]Wow KG getting overrated hard, this is a guy who proved in his career he was incapable of being built around as the first option. When I'm talking top 20 players all-time I want guys that can lead me to a title. At least Malone had his teams consistently elite. KG couldn't even make the playoffs IN HIS PRIME.[/QUOTE]
Is that a troll post? Malone never led his team to the title, Garnett did as a first option. Malone lost many times when he was favorite, Garnett always won when he was expected to, and sometimes he managed to pull some upsets.
To have consistently elite team, Malone had Stockton (GOAT pass-first PG) and a HOF coach, KG had neither till Celtics. Once Garnett got a solid Celtics team, he instantly won it all.
About your last point, with a trash teams prime Kareem also missed Playoffs, so did Kobe in his prime. Put Malone on those trash Wolves, and he would have done even worse, since he cant play [I]all [/I]positions on both sides of the floor, as Garnett had to.
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]More MVPs, Baylor has none
More All-NBA Team Selections
More All-Star Selections
More career points
More career rebounds
More career assists
Baylor played with Jerry West and Wilt Chamberlain and still won 0 rings.
Malone's best teammate was John Stockton, not counting 04 since he was in his 40s.
Yes I know Baylor had a 38/19 season, but that was in a different era. Walt Bellamy in his Rookie season averaged 32/19. Everybody's stats were inflated, and the fact that Baylor took 33 shots per game to get 38 points.[/QUOTE]
There were only 3 MVPs during Baylors playing days. And sure he'll get more pointss, boards, assist, all star games (Malon has 14 all stars and Baylor played 13 seasons.) When you look at it, Baylors peak he avg more points, rebouds and assist.
I will go with Zeke
[QUOTE=fpliii]solid vote
much more of a case than Mikan (who people voted for in the last thread), who did nothing of note after the advent of the shot clock[/QUOTE]
He retired before the shot clocked and made a half-hearted attempt at a comeback over a year later. His body was already broken down when he retired in 1954. Who cares what he did after the shot clock, during his eight professional seasons before it he won seven Championships (was injured the only year his team didn't win) and was MVP or the top All-League vote-getter six times.
He changed the offensive and defensive philosophy of the game, changed the rules, the dimensions of the court and as much as any player (actually more than any player) he is the reason Syracuse owner Danny Biasone conceived the shot clock. It was the famous 19-18 game between Mikan's Lakers and the Ft. Wayne Zollner Pistons where heavy stalling was used to keep the ball away from Mikan that put in motion the revolutionary rule change that so many players hold against Mikan claiming it is proof that his career was a symptom of his era.
Mikan's dominance was a result of his era in part, but the new era that followed was a result of Mikan's dominance to an even larger degree.
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]There were only 3 MVPs during Baylors playing days. And sure he'll get more pointss, boards, assist, all star games (Malon has 14 all stars and Baylor played 13 seasons.) When you look at it, Baylors peak he avg more points, rebouds and assist.[/QUOTE]
are we comparing peaks?
I know he isn't going to win here, but I'll vote for Scottie Pippen to get him some recognition for the next few rankings hopefully.
IMO he's top 15-20 all-time. 6 rings, the GOAT perimeter defender and was a MVP caliber player. He was at least a top 5 player (and the best all-around player) and the best SF during his prime.
Dirk!
Dirk Nowitzki for leading a team with no all-stars to a championship. But like with what many have said, it's a toss-up amongst ~5 players, rank them based on which achievement you value most.
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]More MVPs, Baylor has none
More All-NBA Team Selections
More All-Star Selections
More career points
More career rebounds
More career assists
Baylor played with Jerry West and Wilt Chamberlain and still won 0 rings.
Malone's best teammate was John Stockton, not counting 04 since he was in his 40s.
Yes I know Baylor had a 38/19 season, but that was in a different era. Walt Bellamy in his Rookie season averaged 32/19. Everybody's stats were inflated, and the fact that Baylor took 33 shots per game to get 38 points.[/QUOTE]
You know nothing about Elgin Baylor. Anybody could just look his Wikipedia page and say what you did. Baylor took the Minneapolis Lakers to the Finals in his rookie season, with no Jerry West. Baylor was the original high fly act in the NBA. He still holds the record for most points scored in an NBA finals game with 61. By the time Wilt came to the team in '69 Baylor's body had been been slowing down for years due to his knee problems starting in 1965. What I find to be most impressive is his whole year of 1962. He was only able to play in half the games of the season because of his commitments to the US military. He only played in games when he could get weekend passes. But he still dominated with 38 points a game when he played, led the Lakers to the best record in the western division, and one shot away from winning the championship against Boston.
[QUOTE=goldcrow]Dirk Nowitzki for leading a team with no all-stars to a championship. But like with what many have said, it's a toss-up amongst ~5 players, rank them based on which achievement you value most.[/QUOTE]
Amazing how some people still underrate Dirk's place on the all time list.The guy won a ring with a team of role players. Every they played had more talent than them.
Dirk>>>>KG