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[QUOTE=Dionysus]I'm guessing LeBron.
Greatest game 7 player of All Time. Has better Elimination game stats than Jordan and Kobe.
Also has that game 5 vs Pistons, his game 6 vs Celtics, his headband game, and his clutch closer game 7 that has gained him the same amount of titles Jordan had at age 28.[/QUOTE]
I'll take the player who simply doesn't allow a series to go 7 games.
[QUOTE=daily]The amount of history and context you had to ignore to to make this post is mind boggling.[/QUOTE]
Finals Numbers
95-96'. 27ppg 5reb 4ast 41%fg
97-98' 33ppg 4reb 2ast 42%fg (ball hog shotjacking chucker to the maximum:oldlol: )
Kobe-esqu numbers.:roll:
[QUOTE=Leviathon1121]I'll take the player who simply doesn't allow a series to go 7 games.[/QUOTE]
You talking about the loser Jordan who never got to a Finals in his first 6years? Or are you talking about the Jordan who had GOAT coach Phil Jackson and GOAT sidekick Scottie Pippen to help him win?
[QUOTE=Papaya Petee]LeBron Cavaliers? 2010-2011 Wade was the best player on the Heat and LeBron's chokejob cost them a ring.
In 2011-2012 Wade averaged 22\5\5 in the regular season on great efficiency, averaged 23\6\5 in the playoffs and 23\6\5 in the NBA Finals. That's LeBron being a one man team?
[B]in 2012-2013 when Wade was at his healthiest in the regular season he was the best player on the Heat for almost a 2 month stretch.[/B] 21\5\5 in the regular season on great efficiency.
Wade gets injured in the playoffs and all of a sudden he's a liability??[/QUOTE]
Watch the game and then come posting please.
I wish that a 26-29 year old MJ was in the league right now to absolutely shit down Bron's throat and send these little kiddies screaming to their moms. :oldlol:
It's not even a comparison between the two of them.
[QUOTE=Dionysus]You talking about the loser Jordan who never got to a Finals in his first 6years? Or are you talking about the Jordan who had GOAT coach Phil Jackson and [B]GOAT sidekick[/B] Scottie Pippen to help him win?[/QUOTE]
You mean the sidekick who was a Finals MVP himself?
[QUOTE=Papaya Petee]
in 2012-2013 when Wade was at his healthiest in the regular season he was the best player on the Heat for almost a 2 month stretch.
Wade gets injured in the playoffs and all of a sudden he's a liability??[/QUOTE]
Thats absurd. I like Wade. A LOT. But LeBron shot .641 from the field in February and I can't imagine what two month stretch you are coming up with that brings him even close to LeBron.
And yes, when you are -54 in the series for the NBA Finals you are a liability. He shouldn't have been playing.
[QUOTE=Eric Cartman]You mean the sidekick who was a Finals MVP himself?[/QUOTE]
So you're saying Wade is a better sidekick than Pippen?
Don't let an argument blow up in your face
[QUOTE=Dionysus]You talking about the loser Jordan who never got to a Finals in his first 6years? Or are you talking about the Jordan who had GOAT coach Phil Jackson and GOAT sidekick Scottie Pippen to help him win?[/QUOTE]
So much ignorance of context in this one post:facepalm: Really man, you need to stick to soccer, your basketball IQ is in negative territory.
When LeBron took the Cavs to the Finals in 07 as a youngster, it was something to applaud and give him credit for on it's face. But if you dig deeper, the EC was hot garbage that year, the defending champs Wade Heat were racked with injuries and were knocked out in tge first round by the baby Bulls. The Pacers, Nets and Pistons were done by this point and this is one year before the original big 3 hooked up in Boston. The East was so bad that the Cavs faced only one team with a winning record in the EC playoffs:oldlol: This is the reason the Cavs got merked in the Finals 4-0, they really shouldn't have been there in the first place.
Back in 86-89 when MJ was beasting and had no All Star teammates, he was facing a stacked EC, the Cavs and more importantly, the 86 Celtics and late 80s Detroit Pistons, two of the greatest teams in NBA history. Believe me, LeBron ain't leading his 07 Cavs past any of those teams:oldlol:
It's all about context you stat nerd, actually watching games helps. Stick to footy, mate.
[QUOTE=TheMan]Great point. I know you are anti Jordan but me as a Jordan fan, I always point out the fact that MJ was going up against absolute GOAT candidates like Bird/Magic for MVP in his early years...meanwhile LeBron's comp is DRose, DHoward, KD, CP3 or Melo.
Even in MVP competition, MJ is superior to LeBron:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
I'm actually impressed you didn't diminish the post but actually took it into consideration. I may be wrong about all Jordan stans, good to see some level headed fans.
I would necessarily diminish Lebron's MVP's. Early in his years he had to compete with an equally impressive group in Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe. Nash was an anomaly but you still can't diminish those accomplishments. You got to look at the bulk of Jordan's MVPs where he had to compete with the Malones, Barkleys, Hakeems, and Robinsons.
Although D12, Durant, CP3 don't look as impressive now, they haven't quite finish their careers to stamp their legacies.
Besides, MVP is a useless hardware voted based on opinion, otherwise you can't support the MVP argument then at the same time chastise it because guys like Nash and Rose won it because it's voted by the same criteria. If anything you can say even though Rose won it, Lebron was still a better player.
[QUOTE=Bandito]Is Lebron's jizz blinding your eyes? I don't see any ethering here except everyone gangbanging Montana.[/QUOTE]
He's using stats and facts. The only reason you deem it a troll thread is because the stats don't go your way.
@ The man, Jordan would never make the finals if he had Lebrons Cavalier squad. That is what puts Lebron > MJ in terms of player. MJ > Lebron in terms of accolades.
[QUOTE=funnystuff][B]He's using stats and facts. The only reason you deem it a troll thread is because the stats don't go your way. [/B]
@ The man, Jordan would never make the finals if he had Lebrons Cavalier squad. That is what puts Lebron > MJ in terms of player. MJ > Lebron in terms of accolades.[/QUOTE]
this right there is the problem with the Jordaneers.
Jordaneers treat facts like they were at the Jordan buffet. They overload their plates with the things they like and pass on the things that don't fit on their plate
[QUOTE=funnystuff]The man, Jordan would never make the finals if he had Lebrons Cavalier squad.[/QUOTE]
By which logic did you come to this conclusion?
[QUOTE=Eric Cartman]By which logic did you come to this conclusion?[/QUOTE]
Although it seems hypothetical, it's pretty much reasonable to say this would be a likely scenario. Not just saying Jordan, but for any basketball player with the exception of maybe Shaq, Wilt, Hakeem, or Kareem.
To say Jordan could have carried that squad to a finals is highly unlikely and a very validated statement.
[QUOTE=Eric Cartman]By which logic did you come to this conclusion?[/QUOTE]
:lol @ the idea of Jordan carrying a team like the Cavs to the Finals.