Do any of you want religion/God to be true?

[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]The purpose is to be happy, to enjoy life, to take care of the people you care about. Eg. go out get a job, make money, spend it on and with people you love and have fun with them.

.[/QUOTE]
You are mistaking [I]your[/I] purpose with purpose. You have decided that is the purpose for your own life, but that doesn't make it a universal.

Also, you couldn't really get much more vague than that: 'be happy' 'enjoy life' - these aren't things that one chooses for a start, nor do they have much of a tangible meaning like most of the conventional platitudes of their kind.

I swear the modern obsession with the abstract ideal of 'happiness' (never really something obtainable, mind you) is pretty unhealthy.

[QUOTE=Brokenbeat]Keep cherry picking, lol:

[URL="http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Examples_of_God_personally_killing_people"]http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Examples_of_God_personally_killing_people[/URL]

[URL="http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Actions_punishable_by_death_in_the_Old_Testament"]http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Actions_punishable_by_death_in_the_Old_Testament[/URL]

[URL="http://www.alternet.org/12-craziest-most-awful-things-god-did-old-testament"]http://www.alternet.org/12-craziest-most-awful-things-god-did-old-testament[/URL][/QUOTE]
You have different standards than God does.

You punch a homeless guy -- you get a slap on the wrist.
You punch a teacher -- suspension.
You punch a cop -- jail.
You punch the president of the United States? Something a lot worse.
Now, assuming there is a God, if you offend Him (again let's assume that He does exist), how much more will the punishment be?

God is perfect. He has never done wrong and has no blemish. So anyone on Earth with even the slightest bit of evil in their life is guilty in front of a perfect God.



For all you atheists out there, just think for a minute -- if there was no God and we advance through evolution and survival of the fittest, why is it wrong to murder our neighbour? Or why is it wrong to lie and to cheat and to steal? Who sets the moral standard? Who decides that murdering someone is wrong and it's not a matter of survival of the fittest?

Yeah, the laws of our nations forbid us from murder and whatnot, but how was the Constitution created? Through the Bible. And even if murder was not illegal, I think we would all agree that murder would still be wrong. Why is that the case and why is it not a matter of survival of the fittest?

[QUOTE=Penny37]You have different standards than God does.

You punch a homeless guy -- you get a slap on the wrist.
You punch a teacher -- suspension.
You punch a cop -- jail.
You punch the president of the United States? Something a lot worse.
Now, assuming there is a God, if you offend Him (again let's assume that He does exist), how much more will the punishment be?

God is perfect. He has never done wrong and has no blemish. So anyone on Earth with even the slightest bit of evil in their life is guilty in front of a perfect God.



For all you atheists out there, just think for a minute -- if there was no God and we advance through evolution and survival of the fittest, why is it wrong to murder our neighbour? Or why is it wrong to lie and to cheat and to steal? Who sets the moral standard? Who decides that murdering someone is wrong and it's not a matter of survival of the fittest?

Yeah, the laws of our nations forbid us from murder and whatnot, but how was the Constitution created? Through the Bible. And even if murder was not illegal, I think we would all agree that murder would still be wrong. Why is that the case and why is it not a matter of survival of the fittest?[/QUOTE]
Man doesn't need religion to be moral. And just because somebodies religious doesn't mean they have good morals. The two just aren't related. And if your only reason for not murdering and raping people is that you believe in God then you're a shitty person.

[QUOTE=masonanddixon]Did you not read what I wrote?

I never said religion makes you moral.

I said that atheism leads to a slippery slope.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I did read what you said. It was pretty much about how atheism leads to a slippery slope because atheists can't have morals since they don't believe in a higher power. I do believe my response was warranted.

[QUOTE=Dresta]You are mistaking [I]your[/I] purpose with purpose. You have decided that is the purpose for your own life, but that doesn't make it a universal.

Also, you couldn't really get much more vague than that: 'be happy' 'enjoy life' - these aren't things that one chooses for a start, nor do they have much of a tangible meaning like most of the conventional platitudes of their kind.

I swear the modern obsession with the abstract ideal of 'happiness' (never really something obtainable, mind you) is pretty unhealthy.[/QUOTE]
happiness is different for everyone. some people are happiest helping others, some are happy serving god, some are happy partying, some are happy having a family, etc

What is you goal? I hope its not to be miserable.

[QUOTE=Nanners][img]http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Creationist5.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
LMAO :lol :oldlol: :oldlol: :roll:
Christians.

No wonder the vast majority of advanced science degree holders are atheist/agnostic

[QUOTE]One fact that concerns some Christians and elates some atheists is that 93 percent of the members of the National Academy of Sciences, one of the most elite scientific organizations in the United States, do not believe in God.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=97 bulls][QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]I am only intimately familiar with Christianity.

I would not want Christianity's version of heaven and hell to be true.


Im not sure if it was you but I've already refuted these erroneous concepts. Ill do it again. And Id appreciate your opinion on these scriptures.

Exodus 21:16


Deuteronomy 22:25-28


Can you elaborate?


No. It was due to her disobedience.


Id like to see a scripture reference.


Again. Can I see a scripture reference?


I don't mean to be flippant, but who are you to say whats right or wrong?


It's proven that all things mentioned have dire side effects. Theres a reason God makes rules for us to follow. Its not so much the act, but the consequences that follow.

Ive seen you argue that if you dont follow police instructions, what you get is what you deserve. I don't see a difference in the basic concept. There are consequences for not following directions.[/QUOTE]
As I have told you before the bible contradicts itself completely in multiple places. its almost as if it isnt the word of an all knowing omniscient God

“Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession. -Exodus 21;16

a fine verse but it is contradicted by multiple verses that support slavery as I have posted for you before. I guess God must be a schizo

the bible teaches that if a girl claims to be raped in the field and no one heard her you should trust her as it is reasonable to conclude that she screamed out and wasnt heard. If she claims to have been raped in a city and no one heard her scream, she must be lying about being raped and must have chosen to have sex, because cities and towns are crowded and you would hear the screaming

[QUOTE] If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.[/QUOTE]
the bible supports killing a female rape victim if she was raped in the city
here read it form Deuteronomy 22:23-24
[url]http://books.google.ca/books?id=upCApSwuJP0C&pg=PA170&lpg=PA170&dq=If+within+the+city+a+man+comes+upon+a+maiden+who+is+betrothed,+and+has+relations+with+her,+you+shall+bring+them+both+out+of+the+gate+of+the+city+and+there+stone+them+to+death:+the+girl+because+she+did+not+cry+out+for+help+though+she+was+in+the+city,+and+the+man+because+he+violated+his+neighbors+wife.&source=bl&ots=8iy5kLeFnc&sig=G9U9rnF2ysbJ7MC87fJKLrPY71U&hl=en&sa=X&ei=PaAIVLzHEur3iwKA84CQAQ&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=If%20within%20the%20city%20a%20man%20comes%20upon%20a%20maiden%20who%20is%20betrothed%2C%20and%20has%20relations%20with%20her%2C%20you%20shall%20bring%20them%20both%20out%20of%20the%20gate%20of%20the%20city%20and%20there%20stone%20them%20to%20death%3A%20the%20girl%20because%20she%20did%20not%20cry%20out%20for%20help%20though%20she%20was%20in%20the%20city%2C%20and%20the%20man%20because%20he%20violated%20his%20neighbors%20wife.&f=false[/url]

28 "If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, 29 he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."
-Deuteronomy 22:28-29

"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."
-Deuteronomy 21:10-14
Raping female in a conquered area is cool with god as long as you force them to marry you

They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11)

Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2)

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46)

They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man........Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)"

And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. -- Numbers 31:15-17

Because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. -- 2 Samuel 12:14 (punishing a child for a parents sins)

The priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell. And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen. ...
And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed. -- Numbers 5:21-21, 27-28 (god aborting fetuses because the wife was unfaithful)

Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt. -- Genesis 38:24 (its ok to burn slutty women who get pregnant)

Anyone that doesnt think these particular bible verses dont teach horrific moral lessons are immoral imo. Police instructions (in america) are based on laws passed by democratically elected governments. If cops are in the wrong we have judicial mechanizes to get reparations. The bible was written and/or complied by unelected leaders

[QUOTE=Penny37]You have different standards than God does.

You punch a homeless guy -- you get a slap on the wrist.
You punch a teacher -- suspension.
You punch a cop -- jail.
You punch the president of the United States? Something a lot worse.
Now, assuming there is a God, if you offend Him (again let's assume that He does exist), how much more will the punishment be?

God is perfect. He has never done wrong and has no blemish. So anyone on Earth with even the slightest bit of evil in their life is guilty in front of a perfect God.



[B]For all you atheists out there, just think for a minute -- if there was no God and we advance through evolution and survival of the fittest, why is it wrong to murder our neighbour? Or why is it wrong to lie and to cheat and to steal? Who sets the moral standard? Who decides that murdering someone is wrong and it's not a matter of survival of the fittest?

Yeah, the laws of our nations forbid us from murder and whatnot, but how was the Constitution created? Through the Bible. And even if murder was not illegal, I think we would all agree that murder would still be wrong. Why is that the case and why is it not a matter of survival of the fittest?[/B][/QUOTE]

Give this a watch since you clearly have no idea what you're talking about:

Frans de Waal - [B]Moral behavior in animals[/B]

[URL="http://www.ted.com/talks/frans_de_waal_do_animals_have_morals?language=en"]http://www.ted.com/talks/frans_de_waal_do_animals_have_morals?language=en[/URL]



Oh, and stop giving your god credit for shit that was blatantly lifted from other cultures (in this case, from the Egyptian book of the dead). Looks like your god half-assed it too, lol:

[URL="http://www.perankhgroup.com/commandments.htm"]http://www.perankhgroup.com/commandments.htm[/URL]

[QUOTE]Transgressions Against Mankind

1. I have not committed murder, neither have I bid any one to slay on my behalf;

2. I have not committed rape, neither have I forced any one to commit fornication;

3. I have not avenged myself, nor have I burned with rage;

4. I have not caused terror, nor have I worked affliction;

5. I have caused none to feel pain, nor have I worked grief;

6. I have done neither harm nor ill, nor I have caused misery;

7. I have done no hurt to man, nor have I wrought harm to beasts;

8. I have made none to weep;

9. I have had no knowledge of evil, neither have I acted wickedly, nor have I wronged the people;

10. I have not stolen, neither have I taken that which does not belong to me, nor that which belongs to another, nor have I taken from the orchards, nor snatched the milk from the mouth of the babe;

11. I have not defrauded, neither I have added to the weight of the balance, nor have I made light the weight in the scales;

12. I have not laid waste the plowed land, nor trampled down the fields;

13. I have not driven the cattle from their pastures, nor have I deprived any of that which was rightfully theirs;

14. I have accused no man falsely, nor have I supported any false accusation;

15. I have spoken no lies, neither have I spoken falsely to the hurt of another;

16. I have never uttered fiery words, nor have I stirred up strife;

17. I have not acted guilefully, neither have I dealt deceitfully, nor spoken to deceive to the hurt another;

18. I have not spoken scornfully, nor have I set my lips in motion against any man;

19. I have not been an eavesdropper;

20. I have not stopped my ears against the words of Right and Truth;

21. I have not judged hastily, nor have I judged harshly;

22. I have committed no crime in the place of Right and Truth;

23. I have caused no wrong to be done to the servant by his master;

24. I have not been angry without cause;

25. I have not turned back water at its springtide, nor stemmed the flow of running water;

26. I have not broken the channel of a running water;

27. I have never fouled the water, nor have I polluted the land.



Sins

28. I have not cursed nor despised God, nor have I done that which God does abominate;

29. I have not vexed or angered God;

30. I have not robbed God, nor have I filched that which has been offered in the temples;

31. I have not added unto nor have I diminished the offerings which are due;

32. I have not purloined the cakes of the gods;

33. I have not carried away the offerings made unto the blessed dead;

34. I have not disregarded the season for the offerings which are appointed;

35. I have not turned away the cattle set apart for sacrifice;

36. I have not thwarted the processions of the god;

37. I have not slaughtered with evil intent the cattle of the god;



Personal Transgressions

38. I have not acted guilefully nor have I acted in insolence;

39. I have not been overly proud, nor have I behaved myself with arrogance;

40. I have never magnified my condition beyond what was fitting;

41. Each day have I labored more than was required of me;

42. My name has not come forth to the boat of the Prince

[/QUOTE]

Now let's see what the founding fathers had to say about religion since you think the constitution was based on (or influenced by) the bible. :facepalm

[B]Thomas Jefferson: [/B]

[QUOTE]"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors." -- Jefferson's letter to John Adams, April 11 1823

Jefferson was a rationalist. He believed that Jesus was a pure and ethical teacher of morals. [B]To that end, Jefferson took a razor to the New Testament and removed passages he thought to have been inserted by the authors of the gospels (whom he called the "commentators"), and he pasted what remained together as "The Jefferson Bible". With his razor blade, he removed every verse dealing with the virgin birth, miracles, resurrection, claims of Jesus' divinity and other puerile superstition[/B], thus leaving us with a very much shorter book. In 1904, the Jefferson Bible was printed by order of Congress, and for many years was presented to all newly elected members of that body. [/QUOTE]

[B]Benjamin Franklin:[/B]

[QUOTE]"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."

[B]"I looked around for God's judgments, but saw no signs of them." [/B]
[/QUOTE]

[B]Thomas Paine[/B] (this guy nailed it... pun intended):

[QUOTE]"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half of the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God.[B] It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind. [/B]

"What is it the New Testament teaches us? To believe that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married; and the belief of this debauchery is called faith."

[B]"Take away from Genesis the belief that Moses was the author, on which only the strange belief that it is the word of God has stood, and there remains nothing of Genesis but an anonymous book of stories, fables, and traditionary or invented absurdities, or of downright lies." [/B]

"[B]We do not admit the authority of the church with respect to its pretended infallibility, its manufactured miracles, its setting itself up to forgive sins.[/B] It was by propagating that belief and supporting it with fire that she kept up her temporal power." [/QUOTE]

[B]John Adams:[/B]

[QUOTE]"[B]The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. [/B] Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity."

"The question before the human race is, whether the God of Nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?"

"Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years?"[/QUOTE]

[B]George Washington:
[/B]
[QUOTE]"Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society."[/QUOTE]

[B]James Madison:[/B]

[QUOTE]"Experience witnesseth that ecclesiastical establishments, instead of maintaining the purity and efficacy of religion, have had a contrary operation. During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."

"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."

"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries." [/QUOTE]


Now pull your head out of your ass, and stop being so willfully ignorant. :cheers:

[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]
No wonder the vast majority of advanced science degree holders are atheist/agnostic[/QUOTE]
that's not true

[IMG]http://www.pewforum.org/files/2009/11/Scientists-and-Belief-2.png[/IMG]

[url]http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/[/url]

[QUOTE=~primetime~]that's not true

[IMG]http://www.pewforum.org/files/2009/11/Scientists-and-Belief-2.png[/IMG]

[url]http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/[/url][/QUOTE]
Advanced science degree holders. not guys who teach 8th grade biology

93 percent of the members of the National Academy of Sciences are atheist or agnostic

[url]http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file002.html[/url]
[QUOTE] The question of religious belief among US scientists has been debated since early in the century. Our latest survey finds that, among the top natural scientists, disbelief is greater than ever — almost total.

Research on this topic began with the eminent US psychologist James H. Leuba and his landmark survey of 1914. He found that 58% of 1,000 randomly selected US scientists expressed disbelief or doubt in the existence of God, and that this figure rose to near 70% among the 400 "greater" scientists within his sample [1]. Leuba repeated his survey in somewhat different form 20 years later, and found that these percentages had increased to 67 and 85, respectively [2].

In 1996, we repeated Leuba's 1914 survey and reported our results in Nature [3]. We found little change from 1914 for American scientists generally, with 60.7% expressing disbelief or doubt. This year, we closely imitated the second phase of Leuba's 1914 survey to gauge belief among "greater" scientists, and find the rate of belief lower than ever — a mere 7% of respondents.

Leuba attributed the higher level of disbelief and doubt among "greater" scientists to their "superior knowledge, understanding, and experience" [3]. Similarly, Oxford University scientist Peter Atkins commented on our 1996 survey, "You clearly can be a scientist and have religious beliefs. But I don't think you can be a real scientist in the deepest sense of the word because they are such alien categories of knowledge." [4] Such comments led us to repeat the second phase of Leuba's study for an up-to-date comparison of the religious beliefs of "greater" and "lesser" scientists.

Our chosen group of "greater" scientists were members of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS). Our survey found near universal rejection of the transcendent by NAS natural scientists. Disbelief in God and immortality among NAS biological scientists was 65.2% and 69.0%, respectively, and among NAS physical scientists it was 79.0% and 76.3%. Most of the rest were agnostics on both issues, with few believers. We found the highest percentage of belief among NAS mathematicians (14.3% in God, 15.0% in immortality). Biological scientists had the lowest rate of belief (5.5% in God, 7.1% in immortality), with physicists and astronomers slightly higher (7.5% in God, 7.5% in immortality). Overall comparison figures for the 1914, 1933 and 1998 surveys appear in Table 1.[/QUOTE]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Mzrq73v.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=~primetime~]that's not true

[IMG]http://www.pewforum.org/files/2009/11/Scientists-and-Belief-2.png[/IMG]

[url]http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE][B]Indeed, the survey shows that scientists are roughly half as likely as the general public to believe in God or a higher power.[/B] According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, [B]33% of scientists say they believe in God[/B][/QUOTE]

That still doesn't exactly help your case, lol.

Adding to what Mavs said, [B]97%[/B] of the Royal Society are also atheist or agnostic.

I prefer the idea of some incredible creator that has no interest in our lives from an individual standpoint (as a god would) but is interested to see how the universe as a whole plays out. Like, giving different species different abilities/advantages and seeing who eventually wins out, and how technologically advanced they become, etc

All that God shit would just depress me. I don't want to be a slave to sin and worship even if it meant eternity in heaven

I wouldn't want it to be true.

According to lets say Christians, billions of people, billions of good people throughout history who never hurt anyone, were kind and good, are now burning in hell, tortured. And once in hell, seeing reality, if they have a sincere change or heart, an honest acceptance now that they know better, they still have to be torture and burn no for a trillion years, but for eternity. Because how dare you not believe in Christianity while you were on earth.

Doesn't sound like a reasonable, understanding, evolved superior being.

There might be something out there, but it sure as hell isn't some, insecure loving god, who's a hot head and unreasonable. And couldn't care less if what's in your heart is very sincere, it happened to be at the wrong time.

[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]Advanced science degree holders. not guys who teach 8th grade biology

93 percent of the members of the National Academy of Sciences are atheist or agnostic

[url]http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file002.html[/url]


[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Mzrq73v.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I still wouldn't call that the "vast majority"

I'm not religious at all...so I have no bias here

I just don't think it is accurate to portray every scientist as non-religious...there plenty of scientists out there that claim a religion

[QUOTE=~primetime~]I still wouldn't call that the "vast majority"

I'm not religious at all...so I have no bias here

I just don't think it is accurate to portray [B]every[/B] scientist as non-religious...there plenty of scientists out there that claim a religion[/QUOTE]

Nobody said that. :confusedshrug: