The Last of Us is the best game ever made

[QUOTE=Shade8780]Beating out all-time greats like Destiny and Watch Dogs?

Seriously though, Shadow of Mordor and Dragon Age are the best games of 2014.[/QUOTE]

It beat out GTA V & Infinite for GOTY in 2013.

[QUOTE]The witcher 3 sold 6 million in 6 months. Arkham knight had 5 million in a few months too. Your comparing games that are still selling well to a game that has been out longer and was and still is in alot of console bundles. Tlou was a good game but come on stop being a **** please[/QUOTE]

[B]PlayStation 4[/B]

TLOU - 3.27 million
Arkham City - 2.50 million
Witcher 3 - 2.29 million

[B]Xbox One[/B]

Arkham City - 0.93 million
Witcher 3 - 0.77 million

TLOU is only exclusive on the PS4 and outsold Witcher 3.
Where the hell do you get your information from again?

[URL="http://www.vgchartz.com/platform/68/xbox-one/"]Source[/URL]

[QUOTE=West-Side]It beat out GTA V & Infinite for GOTY in 2013.



[B]PlayStation 4[/B]

TLOU - 3.27 million
Arkham City - 2.50 million
Witcher 3 - 2.29 million

[B]Xbox One[/B]

Arkham City - 0.93 million
Witcher 3 - 0.77 million

TLOU is only exclusive on the PS4 and outsold Witcher 3.
Where the hell do you get your information from again?

[URL="http://www.vgchartz.com/platform/68/xbox-one/"]Source[/URL][/QUOTE]
Google their sales and you'll find multiple news articles. Why are you linking xbox one sales only? I was wrong in my memories anyway it was 6mil in 6 weeks for witcher 3 and that was months ago. You have no idea what you are talking about anymore. Next time you make a list call it your favorite games don't call it a goat list if you have your own rules on systems you don't play.

Beat out gta v for goty? On some sites yes and on a bunch of others it lost to gta5 or Zelda. Don't misrepresent the info fool.

[QUOTE=outbreak]Google their sales and you'll find multiple news articles. Why are you linking xbox one sales only? I was wrong in my memories anyway it was 6mil in 6 weeks for witcher 3 and that was months ago. You have no idea what you are talking about anymore. Next time you make a list call it your favorite games don't call it a goat list if you have your own rules on systems you don't play.

[B]Beat out gta v for goty?[/B] On some sites yes and on a bunch of others it lost to gta5 or Zelda. Don't misrepresent the info fool.[/QUOTE]

Just click on the PS4 you ****ing moron, and you'll see the sales.

Hey goof, read very carefully.

* The Winners of this year *


[B]The Last of Us - 249

The Critics' Picks - 191

The Readers' Picks - 58[/B]


Grand Theft Auto V - 159

The Critics' Picks - 107

The Readers' Picks - 52


Bioshock Infinite - 43

The Critics' Picks - 40

The Readers' Picks - 3

[URL="http://gotypicks.blogspot.ca/2013/09/2013-game-of-year.html"]http://gotypicks.blogspot.ca/2013/09/2013-game-of-year.html[/URL]

A source that highlights all that sites and their winners.

[QUOTE]The Last of Us has sold 3.4 million units worldwide in its first three works according to Sony SNE +0.00%.

Earlier this year we reported that the game was also the number one launch of the year, moving 1.3 million units in its first week.

Naughty Dog

[QUOTE=West-Side]Just click on the PS4 you ****ing moron, and you'll see the sales.

Hey goof, read very carefully.

* The Winners of this year *


[B]The Last of Us - 249

The Critics' Picks - 191

The Readers' Picks - 58[/B]


Grand Theft Auto V - 159

The Critics' Picks - 107

The Readers' Picks - 52


Bioshock Infinite - 43

The Critics' Picks - 40

The Readers' Picks - 3

[URL="http://gotypicks.blogspot.ca/2013/09/2013-game-of-year.html"]http://gotypicks.blogspot.ca/2013/09/2013-game-of-year.html[/URL]

A source that highlights all that sites and their winners.[/QUOTE]
So it still lost on a bunch of sites? Loke metacritic those aggregates ate useless when they include all sites like the international versions of ps only magazines. Its another reason you should read up on how the industry is trying to get away from these things.

In the future say it win goty in some places.

Im not clicking on every link on your page when theres numerous others telling me the witcher 3 sold 6mil in 6 weeks which is far more than tlou remastered. Stop manipulating facts and stop making claims that aren't 100% true.

Why not link the forbes article about witcher 3 sales?
[url]http://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2015/08/27/the-witcher-3-sold-6-million-copies-in-its-first-6-weeks/[/url]

You are acting like euroleague putting your own rules on things and ignoring things that don't fit your picture

[QUOTE=outbreak]So it still lost on a bunch of sites? Loke metacritic those aggregates ate useless when they include all sites like the international versions of ps only magazines. Its another reason you should read up on how the industry is trying to get away from these things.

In the future say it win goty in some places.

Im not clicking on every link on your page when theres numerous others telling me the witcher 3 sold 6mil in 6 weeks which is far more than tlou remastered. Stop manipulating facts and stop making claims that aren't 100% true.[/QUOTE]

:facepalm

Are you for real?
You just called me out about TLOU not winning GOTY, and I gave you a source breaking down how many publishers named TLOU the winner. Beating the same game you claimed was the winner. :rolleyes: You ****ing named Zelda, a game that didn't even finish 3rd in the race.

You're so pathetic its funny, calling me out when you're talking out of your ass. I just showed you a source that said TLOU sold 3.4 million copies on ONE platform in THREE weeks. Witcher is a multi-platform game as well, and is a sequel. TLOU is a new IP and still received rediculous regocnition for a genre that's no where near as popular as an RPG or FPS or Sandbox.

That only highlights how great the game is.

[QUOTE=outbreak]So it still lost on a bunch of sites? Loke metacritic those aggregates ate useless when they include all sites like the international versions of ps only magazines. Its another reason you should read up on how the industry is trying to get away from these things.

In the future say it win goty in some places.

Im not clicking on every link on your page when theres numerous others telling me the witcher 3 sold 6mil in 6 weeks which is far more than tlou remastered. Stop manipulating facts and stop making claims that aren't 100% true.

Why not link the forbes article about witcher 3 sales?
[url]http://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2015/08/27/the-witcher-3-sold-6-million-copies-in-its-first-6-weeks/[/url]

You are acting like euroleague putting your own rules on things and ignoring things that don't fit your picture[/QUOTE]

Okay, and as of June 2014, TLOU exceeded the 7 million copies mark.
What's your point?

Games like Witcher and Call of Duty are far more popular anyways and they have the advantage of being a multi-plat game.

[URL="http://ca.ign.com/articles/2014/07/16/the-last-of-us-sales-pass-7-million-with-new-dlc-coming"]http://ca.ign.com/articles/2014/07/16/the-last-of-us-sales-pass-7-million-with-new-dlc-coming[/URL]

That was over a year ago now.
TLOU is an exclusive as well, and the genre is action-adventure.
It's never really going to outsell a FPS game like Call of Duty or RPG like Skyrim. The fanbase is too large and they aren't exclusives.

Think before you speak.

You never said you were only including certain platforms in your sales. Yes it gets a benefit being mutli plat but you never said that you just made claims as if true that weren't.

You claimed it won goty when on some sites it didnt. Goty isnt a universale award.

Quit being full of shit and quit making blanket statements that aren't true.

Its fine if you like a game and tlou is a good game but stop making silly claims. Its a video game. Some people don't enjoy things as much as you do. When you turn 13 maybe you can accept these things.

[QUOTE=outbreak]You never said you were only including certain platforms in your sales. Yes it gets a benefit being mutli plat but you never said that you just made claims as if true that weren't.

[B]You claimed it won goty when on some sites it didnt. Goty isnt a universale award.[/B]

Quit being full of shit and quit making blanket statements that aren't true.

Its fine if you like a game and tlou is a good game but stop making silly claims. Its a video game. Some people don't enjoy things as much as you do. When you turn 13 maybe you can accept these things.[/QUOTE]

Then how do you define GOTY. :oldlol:
TLOU received the [B]most[/B] votes from game critics, so its considered the best game of the year, no?

Similar to the way in the NBA we vote for the MVP.
Kobe might receive 98 votes, Duncan 101 and Shaq 160.
Who's the winner?

Someone's butt hurt because I make too much sense.
I don't care if you don't like TLOU, to (you) it isn't one of the best games ever. To me it is.
The gaming world tends to agree a lot more with my views than yours, in regards to this particular topic.

Get over it.

49th best. The Scottie Pippen of video games. Respekt. :applause:

As far as number of reviews, that's purely a product of the internet age. Newer games will get more reviews than older games because they're newer and will be looked at by more reviewers because the internet. We're going to fault games for the era that they were created in?

I'm not even trying to argue that Last of Us isn't a great game, just that it doesn't belong in a video game pantheon and has no case for being the GOAT game. Because it doesn't.

We seriously gonna act like Ocarina wouldn't have been praised as the GOAT by more people if there had been more people to review it? It has held up incredibly well and is still widely recognized as the GOAT game despite an influx of new titles since.

[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]49th best. The Scottie Pippen of video games. Respekt. :applause:

As far as number of reviews, that's purely a product of the internet age. Newer games will get more reviews than older games because they're newer and will be looked at by more reviewers because the internet. We're going to fault games for the era that they were created in?

[B]I'm not even trying to argue that Last of Us isn't a great game, just that it doesn't belong in a video game pantheon and has no case for being the GOAT game. Because it doesn't.[/B]

We seriously gonna act like Ocarina wouldn't have been praised as the GOAT by more people if there had been more people to review it? It has held up incredibly well and is still widely recognized as the GOAT game despite an influx of new titles since.[/QUOTE]

That's your opinion.
And yes, Ocarina would not have received a 99 overall rating if more reviews were made about the game. I've already demonstrated to you two different sources. The reviews scores were lower as more reviews were accumulated.

It's not the 49th best game either because there are many duplicates.
For example, GTA IV is rated 98 for both PS3 & X360. GTA V is rated 97 for XONE, PS3, PC and PS4. Pro Skater 2 is rated for both PS & DC).

1) Ocarina
2) Pro Skater 2
3) GTA IV
5) SoulCalibur
6) Super Mario Galaxy
7) Super Mario Galaxy 2
8) GTA V
9) Pro Skater 3
10) Perfect Dark
11) Metroid Prime
12) GTA III
13) Halo
14) NFL 2K1
15) Half-Life 2
16) GoldenEye 007
17) Uncharted 2
18) Resident Evil 4
19) The Orange Box
20) Arkham City
21) Tekken 3
22) Mass Effect 2
23) Twilight Princess
24) Skyrim
25) Half-Life
26) The Wind Waker
27) Gran Turismo
28) BioShock
29) MGS 2

Those are the only games that are actually rated higher.
Out of those games, only seven of them have a higher user score than TLOU.
Most of these games are also on multi-platform.
Majority of those older games have less than 30 reviews.
TLOU has 98 reviews, and still maintained an impressive 95 rating.

On PS3, only Arkham City, GTA V & GTA IV have a higher critic score.
None of those games have a higher user score than TLOU.

TLOU also won GOTY over GTA V.

Yeah it has no case whatsoever.
:rolleyes:

Ocarina still #1. :applause:

[QUOTE=Shade8780]you're trolling.

this is just unreal.[/QUOTE]

Coming to the same conclusion.

[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]Ocarina still #1. :applause:



Coming to the same conclusion.[/QUOTE]

I'm interested in hearing which games qualify for the GOAT discussion?
I mean, to idiots like Shade its the MGS; despite TLOU receiving more recognition.

Name me 10 games you think are better games.

[QUOTE=West-Side]Then how do you define GOTY. :oldlol:
TLOU received the [B]most[/B] votes from game critics, so its considered the best game of the year, no?

Similar to the way in the NBA we vote for the MVP.
Kobe might receive 98 votes, Duncan 101 and Shaq 160.
Who's the winner?

Someone's butt hurt because I make too much sense.
I don't care if you don't like TLOU, to (you) it isn't one of the best games ever. To me it is.
The gaming world tends to agree a lot more with my views than yours, in regards to this particular topic.

Get over it.[/QUOTE]

GOTY awards are handed out by outlets based on different criteria and systems.

YOU need to read up on this because it's an issue the industry has been trying to fix recently. I know i have friends in the industry. Right now publishers uses things like metacritic and aggregate sites like the goty one you linked as a means to determine if a team gets their bonus and it's bullshit.

Those sites don't curate they data. They grab things from all over the shop and it can skew the results or be misleading. It's more akin to the MVP award being given out based on ALL media including ISH's opinion. It polls unreliable sources and biased sources as well as legit sources.

I'm not arguing tlou didn't win a lot of awards, the game did well and was a good game, what I am arguing is you acting like GOTY is a single award handed out. It isn't, every outlet gives it's own GOTY award and you should have posted some reliable places where it won (because it did win in many reliable places). Tlou is a good game, this has gone on too long. Your list was narrow and you've said yourself you left out a lot of games and plat forms so i think it's time to just acknowledge some people value different aspects of games and rate games differently.

Greater and better aren't the exact same thing. It's like comparing the GOAT NBA players to the most skilled; there's definite overlap but it's not absolute.

If I had to create a top 10 GOAT list(no order outside of the #1 spot):

Ocarina of Time
Diablo (though I prefer 2/3 to the original)
Half-Life (preferred the sequel, either could slot in here)
Chrono Trigger
Link to the Past
DOOM (sequel was just as good, if not better)
Super Mario 64
FFVII
Majora's Mask
Super Metroid

Games that would come close and could possibly slot in on a different day: Street Fighter II, Oblivion (ugh), Shadow of the Colossus, possibly Bioshock or the first Halo, Resident Evil 2/4, CS, Civilization, Quake, UT, TF2, WCIII, etc.

If I reworked it to include the top 10 BOAT, majority of what's there would stay but some of the fringe games that I listed might move into a spot.