Tim Duncan is greater than Shaq, and here are the numbers to PROVE it

one thing alot of ppl seem to forget is, duncan is not about numbers and padding the scoresheet, he does enough ftw and shares the load with the supporting cast.

actually a better argument would take MPG into consideration and adjusted.

it looks like Tim Duncan is on his way to get his 4th title :bowdown:

Tim's a little low profile, but he's definitely better than Shaq!


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Terrific game by Tim Duncan today against the Suns. He did just enough to get the victory. All those blocked shots and the way he started the 3rd quarter to ignate the later comeback. :cheers:

[QUOTE=beau_boy04]Terrific game by Tim Duncan today against the Suns. He did just enough to get the victory. All those blocked shots and the way he started the 3rd quarter to ignate the later comeback. :cheers:[/QUOTE]

Horry did just enough to get the victory...

homer

Duncan is more low key, but Shaq in his prime was simply more dominant IMO. People have very short memories it seems.

He was completely unguardable.

[QUOTE=Dhoopster]Tim's a little low profile, but he's definitely better than Shaq!


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are u Poeticism707? :oldlol:

[QUOTE=rzp]are u Poeticism707? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Well if it isn't my old pal RZP!!!

:cheers:

[QUOTE=Soundwave]Duncan is more low key, but Shaq in his prime was simply more dominant IMO. People have very short memories it seems.

He was completely unguardable.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. very short memories. People need to go back and watch a game from Shaqs prime, also consider what he did before the league changed the rules where you can use "illegal defense" It was completely unfair those days. I think Duncan will probably end up with more rings but as far as what they did in the game, Shaq was just flat out better...a straight wrecking ball. The best thing about these two is that when it comes to the way they perform on the court, they do what is best for the team...which usually means the ball starts with touching the ball inside...

you have to remember that shaq numbers are decreasing and that is effecting his career #s Duncan hasnt started to do that yet so wait Duncan is 35 and his #s decrease badly and than lets compare careers

[quote=Soundwave]Duncan is more low key, but [b]Shaq in his prime was simply more dominant[/b] IMO. People have very short memories it seems.

He was completely unguardable.[/quote]


Well I wont comment on who is better because that's basically left up to individual perceptions. However I do feel regarding Shaq that people always say "he is the most dominant" etc... but I've always felt that when you are the BIGGEST thing on the floor you should dominate!!! IMO it doesn't take that much talent when you're bigger than everyone else out there and can physically dominate them without much effort.

You guys can say he's better than Duncan and that stats dont matter or whatever, but none of you can honestly say that with Shaq size and strength he should have done a heck of a lot more than he has.

Also, a question for those of you who say the difference is Shaq is a center and Duncan is a forward. If Shaq was the most dominant ever as claimed why is it that he wasnt able to make first all defensive team or any of those other things listed? He's the MOST DOMINATE EVER so what difference does it make that he plays center and Duncan plays forward? He should have DOMINATED the position of center correct? :confusedshrug:

Just my thoughts

[QUOTE=Laker4Lyfe]but I've always felt that when you are the BIGGEST thing on the floor you should dominate!!! IMO it doesn't take that much talent when you're bigger than everyone else out there and can physically dominate them without much effort.[/QUOTE]Then Mark Eaton, George Muressan, Pavel Podkozin should have been all-stars because they will be the biggest players when they were on the court. For that matter, any of the WWE wrestlers over 6'10" could dominate the NBA. The Big Show would be the GOAT then at over 7' 0" and 450 lbs. :banghead:

Don't try to downplay Shaq's talent just because don't like him. It takes more than just size and strength to make a great big man in basketball.






[QUOTE]but none of you can honestly say that with Shaq size and strength he should have done a heck of a lot more than he has.[/QUOTE]Shaq probably could have done more with what he has, but don't you think 4 NBA Championships, 1 regular season MVP (should have been at least 3), 3 Finals MVP, and 2 Scoring Title's ain't that bad for an "overweight/lazy" player.





[QUOTE]Also, a question for those of you who say the difference is Shaq is a center and Duncan is a forward. If Shaq was the most dominant ever as claimed why is it that he wasnt able to make first all defensive team or any of those other things listed?[/QUOTE]Let's see. There is only one choice for Center on the all-defensive team, while there are 2 choices for forwards. That gives Duncan twice the chance as Shaq. And I don't think Duncan would have been on all those 1st team all-defense teams as a center with Mutombo, Ben Wallace, Alonzo Mourning, David Robinson, and Olajuwon as your competitors. And the term "Most Dominant Ever" was mainly about how Shaq could not be stopped on the offensive end. That didn't mean Shaq was a slouch on defense. As a Laker fan, you should have seen Shaq at his prime (1999-2003) when opposing players would think twice before they drove in the lane. Again, I know it hurts that Shaq won a Championship after leaving The Lakers, but the truth sometimes hurts.








[QUOTE]He's the MOST DOMINATE EVER so what difference does it make that he plays center and Duncan plays forward? He should have DOMINATED the position of center correct?[/QUOTE]And he did. The only center that could compete with Shaq during his time was Olajuwon and this was before Shaq's prime. And it was during Shaq's prime that no one could compete with him.

[QUOTE=poeticism707]Well if it isn't my old pal RZP!!!

:cheers:[/QUOTE]

:cheers:

[quote=Batchoy]

Again, I know it hurts that Shaq won a Championship after leaving The Lakers, but the truth sometimes hurts.


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Why would I be hurt? This was just a stupid thing to say. Anyway you have your opinion and I have mine, absolutely nothing wrong with that.

And by the way, I felt the same way about Shaq when he WAS a Laker. I can't tell you the countless arguments I have got into with people here in LA regarding Shaq, ESPECIALLY when the Lakers where winning.

So never assume you know what a persons motives are.:no: You know what they say about that word anyway.

[QUOTE=Laker4Lyfe]Well I wont comment on who is better because that's basically left up to individual perceptions. However I do feel regarding Shaq that people always say "he is the most dominant" etc... but I've always felt that when you are the BIGGEST thing on the floor you should dominate!!! IMO it doesn't take that much talent when you're bigger than everyone else out there and can physically dominate them without much effort.[/QUOTE]

You're an idiot. Shaq dominance wasn't just based on his size. Whats amazing is what he was able to do at his size. Look at his amazing footwork. It might be 20 years until we see a guy who is 350 pounds who has quick footwork like that. Also, how often do you see a guy that big who can get the ball and just go up and score right away??? Take a look at guys like Mutombo, Zo, Big Z, basically, pick 99% of any center you want from the history of the league. Now think about slow they are when it comes to gathering up the ball and then going up for a dunk or lay up, plus they were all much lighter than Shaq. Plus Shaq did this at 350 pounds!!! I used to always cringe when I saw centers get the ball under the rim, and then take what felt like 2 seconds just to secure the ball and bend their knees to get ready to jump. Just because you're big it doesn't mean you should kill everyone. He's an anomaly. He really is. A guy that size who can get the ball, take a jumpstop and go up and bang it whoever is in front of him...nobody has ever been able to do that the same way. There is a reason why Shaq has gotten doubled teamed more than any other big man in the history of the league.