Hakeem the Dream vs Tim Duncan

[QUOTE=Harison]

Achievements wise Russell is the best player ever, is he considered one? Top4 yes, but not Top1, why? Because one can put in the context everything, not just the rings, and its not the same as discrediting his achievements. Common sense.[/QUOTE]

Yes Russel is the greatest winner of all time. The reason he's not top 1 is because he wasn't as good a player as Jordan or Kareem. Not because he wasn't a greater winner.

Just like I don't mind people putting Hakeem over Duncan but you can't just deny he's a greater winner because of the era he played in.

Six things I consider when ranking players.

Peak: Hakeem
Prime:Hakeem
Championships(As the best player): Duncan
Individual awards: Duncan
Longevity/Consistency: Duncan
Playoff performances:Hakeem


That's why I think it can go either way

I don't know what's all this talk about put it in context

Because with how much speculation being brought into this thread about what if a player played in a diffrent era; i could easily say Hakeem wouldn't have won championships if Jordan hadn't retired.

[QUOTE]Yung D-Will[/QUOTE]

Your profile says you are 17 years old which probably means you barely saw Hakeem play, if that. Hence, you didn't see enough of Hakeem to form a legit opinion on him. You're most likely using raw statistics to make this comparison. You won't see me talking about Bird/Magic/KAJ because I possess little to no knowledge regarding those legends. I choose not to rank them because I never had the chance to follow their careers. Now you have most likely followed Duncan for a good portion of his career. Players and things in general tend to have the deepest impact on us when we're young. Hence the term 'nostalgia'. I watched Hakeem in the 90s and I can tell you I'm biased when it comes to this comparison. Dream is the greatest big man I've seen. I was in awe with his offensive arsenal and ability to step up at the right moment. I really have no problem with you taking Duncan but your decision is most likely influenced by who you've actually seen/followed. Just putting it out there.

[QUOTE=AirJordan23]Your profile says you are 17 years old which probably means you barely saw Hakeem play, if that. Hence, you didn't see enough of Hakeem to form a legit opinion on him. You're most likely using raw statistics to make this comparison. You won't see me talking about Bird/Magic/KAJ because I possess little to no knowledge regarding those legends. I choose not to rank them because I never had the chance to follow their careers. Now you have most likely followed Duncan for a good portion of his career. Players and things in general tend to have the deepest impact on us when we're young. Hence the term 'nostalgia'. I watched Hakeem in the 90s and I can tell you I'm biased when it comes to this comparison. Dream is the greatest big man I've seen. I was in awe with his offensive arsenal and ability to step up at the right moment. I really have no problem with you taking Duncan but your decision is most likely influenced by who you've actually seen/followed. Just putting it out there.[/QUOTE]

And yet I clearly stated I can see the argument for Hakeem. And I never once stated that Duncan was better then Hakeem. I'm not really seeing the bias here if I never even said either one was better.

I was just saying that it's stupid to deny Duncan was the greater winner because he played in a different era.

I thought DUncan had 4 rings. But Hakeem may had greater competition as a result of less rings - Bulls, Lakers, Celts.

[QUOTE=Yung D-Will]Six things I consider when ranking players.

Peak: Hakeem
Prime:Hakeem
Championships(As the best player): Duncan
Individual awards: Duncan
[B]Longevity/Consistency: Duncan[/B]
Playoff performances:Hakeem


That's why I think it can go either way[/QUOTE]
Hakeem averaged 23/9/2/2 (points, rebs, steals, and blocks) in his thirteenth season

Duncan averaged 21/12/1/2 in his thirteenth season

I'd say longevity is equal as of now considering they both sustained equal play at their 13th seasons. If Duncan can play like he did last season for the next 2-3 seasons, I will put him over Hakeem in the longevity aspect considering Hakeem fell off after his 13th season due to injuries and old age.

[QUOTE=chitownsfinest]Hakeem averaged 23/9/2/2 (points, rebs, steals, and blocks) in his thirteenth season

Duncan averaged 21/12/1/2 in his thirteenth season

I'd say longevity is equal as of now considering they both sustained equal play at their 13th seasons. If Duncan can play like he did last season for the next 2-3 seasons, I will put him over Hakeem in the longevity aspect considering Hakeem fell off after his 13th season due to injuries and old age.[/QUOTE]

You have to take into consideration that Hakeem had a very late prime compared to Duncan who's prime was early in his career.