Where would you put LeBron James on the all time list? Honest answers, please.

[QUOTE=elementally morale]As for who you think the best is, no such criteria. It's not about most points. Or most rings. Those things are measurable. Best is not.






Okay then. So there are some people who by your standards have 'unrealistic opinions'. So what? This is only your opinion. And I may find (I actually do find) this opinion of yours rather unrealistic. Labeling others' opinions unrealistic is not being realistic about what the word opinion means.

I can tell you that there are 'no criteria imaginable' by which you can think LeBron is top 2 all time. And? What does it mean? Nothing. There are people who DO think he is top 2 all time.[/QUOTE]
I 100% disagree with you. People can have whatever opinion they want, they can think Jordan wasn't a top 50 player of all time, that Kwame Brown was more dominant than Shaq, that Ben Simmons is a bigger 3 point threat than Curry; doesn't change the fact that all empirical evidence would point to them being wrong

four inches erect, but consistently rock hard.

About 90,000 people voted on ESPN, and it was 60% Kobe vs 40% Lebron in 2017, Kobe dominated the Facebook poll as well. If Kobe's 12th all-time, there's no way Lebron's actually top 10.

How can you have "honest answers" and "outside of top 15" in the same sentence...Sheesh. So dumb.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]I 100% disagree with you. People can have whatever opinion they want, they can think Jordan wasn't a top 50 player of all time, that Kwame Brown was more dominant than Shaq, that Ben Simmons is a bigger 3 point threat than Curry; doesn't change the fact that all empirical evidence would point to them being wrong[/QUOTE]


People... actually most people believe in God. They are of the opinion that God exists (or existed) created (and governs) the Universe.

Is believing in God realistic or unrealistic in your opinion?

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon]In order to buy a borderline top 10 or not top 15 type of ranking I'd really have to see your top 10 and discuss it with you to see if you stay consistent throughout. Most "lists" get too cute with criteria and end up stepping on their own feet. For the record i can't fathom Lebron being simply borderline top 10.[/QUOTE]


I gave you my reasons in this thread in post number 71.

[QUOTE=elementally morale]I gave you my reasons in this thread in post number 71.[/QUOTE]

No.

How can you have "honest answers" and "outside of top 15" in the same sentence...Sheesh. So dumb.

Top 5 for sure ... and in that or just below Magic / Bird class

[QUOTE=elementally morale]People... actually most people believe in God. They are of the opinion that God exists (or existed) created (and governs) the Universe.

Is believing in God realistic or unrealistic in your opinion?[/QUOTE]
That's a question that definitely deserves a longer answer than what I'm going to give, but to summarize it semi briefly, I find it very unrealistic to believe in god. There's absolutely no evidence to support the claim, it's an ancient belief from thousands of years ago, back in a time where people didn't have access to the information we now have to help explain the world around us. It's reminiscent to believing back then that the earth was flat (in b4 Kyrie) or that the sun revolved around us and the earth was the center of the universe. The reason I think it's sustained all these years is because it's profitable to promote that belief, and it genuinely does provide comfort to people.

So I don't judge, if you believe in god that's your right, but in my opinion, especially in this day & age, with all the information we have access to, I don't see why believing in god should have any more validity than believing in santa or the tooth fairy.

What are your thoughts on the matter?

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]That's a question that definitely deserves a longer answer than what I'm going to give, but to summarize it semi briefly, I find it very unrealistic to believe in god. There's absolutely no evidence to support the claim, it's an ancient belief from thousands of years ago, back in a time where people didn't have access to the information we now have to help explain the world around us. It's reminiscent to believing back then that the earth was flat (in b4 Kyrie) or that the sun revolved around us and the earth was the center of the universe. The reason I think it's sustained all these years is because it's profitable to promote that belief, and it genuinely does provide comfort to people.

So I don't judge, if you believe in god that's your right, but in my opinion, especially in this day & age, with all the information we have access to, I don't see why believing in god should have any more validity than believing in santa or the tooth fairy.

What are your thoughts on the matter?[/QUOTE]


My thoughts are rather complex and lead us through quantum mechanics and taoism. (I'm not kidding.) So I'm not going there now. I'm not religious. Faith in *something* is different... but it is besides the point I was trying to make.

You personally do not believe in God. Fine. But you do know that lots of people do. The vast majority of people do, actually. Believing in God is not any more reasonable than believing LeBron James is not a top 10 player. Some people think so.


When you are getting closer and closer to something extreme there will be fewer and fewer believers. But there will be a few, still. You will find somebody somewhere who will say Kobe Bryant is a better 3 point shooter than Steph Curry... he was just guarded differently, was unlucky, too many bailout shots, etc. There won't be many such people but there will be some.


Why did I not include the 'LeBron is not even top 100' option? See above, that's why. I decided 'not top 15' is extreme enough. I find not even top 15 as extreme as goat. And I was the one creating the poll... so my opinion counts. :oldlol:

My Top 15


#1: MJ

#2-4: Chamberlain, Russell, Curry

#5: Kareem

#6-8: Shaq, Magic, Mikan

#9-15: Bird, Duncan, KD, Kobe, Lebron, Hakeem, West

Top 15 AT BEST.

[QUOTE=Big164]My Top 15

#1: MJ
#2-4: Chamberlain, Russell, Curry
#5: Kareem
#6-8: Shaq, Magic, Mikan
#9-15: Bird, Duncan, KD, Kobe, Lebron, Hakeem, West[/QUOTE]


I'm all for opinions and everything... but Curry over Kareem is... mhmmm... what's the idea behind it?

At the moment:

90 votes
677 points
avg: 7.52



without extremes (goat and not top 15)

63 votes
429 points
avg: 6.81

LeBron is 7-8 ish per ISH

[QUOTE=aj1987]As I said, we might disagree, but I wouldn't mind having a discussion with you. At least you'll bring in some facts into the argument. That's my point.[/QUOTE]


AJ, facts are easy and not all people are simpletons like you. We want to dig deeper. We seek challenges so we analyze whats behind those facts coz thats where the fun is. Coz if facts is all we need, then why bother debating. Everyone will arrive at the same conclusion.