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[QUOTE=iamgine;14180377]I think the consensus on Loma right now is just like the first Joshua - Ruiz fight. Yeah Ruiz won and everyone realized Ruiz was much better than expected. However, most still believes Joshua's the better fighter, although his reputation was reduced by a lot. Loma had an invincibility aura that is obliterated right now, but people believe he's still better than Teo. They need to fight a second time and Teo need to win if he is to really smash these doubts. Loma need a few more convincing wins though if he is to regain his reputation. Or thoroughly school Teo in a 2nd fight.[/QUOTE]

I would believe itÂ’s either Loma is overrated or Teo is a great fighter in the making . Both can be true or untrue at the same time but we shall see if it will withstand the test of time.

The fight was close enough to that warrant a rematch. Teo controlled the first half and Loma rallied but got clocked badly in that 12th and Teo sealed the W. In essence, Teo outfought him.

I think Loma will outbox him but judging from those vicious body shots he took from Teo and how fast was Teo with his jab, it will be close again with Arum sealing the fight for a trilogy .

Ruiz was underrated . Even on their 2nd fight, Joshua chose to fight from the distance measuring Ruiz with his jab and occasionally throwing the left hook to keep him from coming in. The only fighter that can probably beat Ruiz with same game plan is Fury.

For fight fans

Joshua vs Fury has to happen.

[QUOTE=LoneyROY7;14180388]Teo has potentially more exciting match-ups with the other younger stars of the division. He doesn't need to fight Loma again.

People want Teo vs. Tank. Teo vs Haney.[/QUOTE]

He has to fight Loma again at some point or he will move up and fight Ramirez. None of those young stars are big enough for him yet and from different stable which makes it more challenging as the those promoters will protect their investments unless it’s too big of a fight not to make it happen.

Those young guys have to start taking risk. Haney is claiming no one wants to fight him so maybe he need to fight someone like Linares to test his chin but heÂ’s young so IÂ’ll give the benefit of the doubt. Tank has not taken any risk, his fights have been meticulously cherrypicked. Casuals continue to gravitate on his showcase fights. Garcia is already fighting Campbell and Shakur is already daring to be great.

[QUOTE=iamgine;14180377]I think the consensus on Loma right now is just like the first Joshua - Ruiz fight. Yeah Ruiz won and everyone realized Ruiz was much better than expected. However, most still believes Joshua's the better fighter, although his reputation was reduced by a lot. Loma had an invincibility aura that is obliterated right now, but people believe he's still better than Teo. They need to fight a second time and Teo need to win if he is to really smash these doubts. Loma need a few more convincing wins though if he is to regain his reputation. Or thoroughly school Teo in a 2nd fight.[/QUOTE]

Haney feels like Loma avoided him. And that Loma will need him now. Mikey Garcia is saying Loma ducked him as well. Teo acts like he don't want to grant the fight. So people remember stuff. Which puts Loma in a situation where six contemporaries should make it to the HOF and he only fought one who beat him clearly while being only 23 years old. Loma did beat Russell but Russ wasn't a champion yet. Loma needs another fight but can he handle 135??? He's not going to beat Shakur at 130 either. He's got a situation.

[QUOTE=Pointguard;14180739]Haney feels like Loma avoided him. And that Loma will need him now. Mikey Garcia is saying Loma ducked him as well. Teo acts like he don't want to grant the fight. So people remember stuff. Which puts Loma in a situation where six contemporaries should make it to the HOF and he only fought one who beat him clearly while being only 23 years old. Loma did beat Russell but Russ wasn't a champion yet. Loma needs another fight but can he handle 135??? He's not going to beat Shakur at 130 either. He's got a situation.[/QUOTE]

LMAO. Casuals talk.

HOF:facepalm:roll:

Not every fighter who perceive to be the man at in any class will make the HOF.

Not every prospect with an alphabet belt will get there either.

If Russell was not a champ then so was Loma.

Fight fans understand these nuances.

Casuals like you canÂ’t .

ItÂ’s like saying Bud has not fought any great fighter when he fought
the best competition available before moving up to 147.

just happened that the best competition did not withstand the test of time.

Fight fans understand that quality of your opponents and how and when you fought them.

Casuals like you are more of a BoxRec expert.

Betta aka somebody boyo:oldlol:

[QUOTE=Rooster;14180759]LMAO. Casuals talk.[/quote]
Wait, let me guess what posters this is??? I give it to you tho. Sounding redundant and stupid doesn't stop you. A true Trump era escapee'
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Not every fighter who perceive to be the man at in any class will make the HOF.

Not every prospect with an alphabet belt will get there either.

If Russell was not a champ then so was Loma.[/quote]
A champion will find a way to win and go a little further. Or otherwords, he didn't get championship Russell. Teo fought like the champion in the Loma fight.
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Fight fans understand these nuances.[/quote] Over these last three pages you have worked hard enough to prove you aren't a fan. Now a parrot! you roll hard on that one.

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ItÂ’s like saying Bud has not fought any great fighter when he fought
the best competition available before moving up to 147. [/quote] He unified the belts. There were no excuses, no ducking, no style that caused him problems. He deserved the next big fight.
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Betta aka somebody boyo:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
I don't mean to get on your parrottism but can it be a little clearer?

[QUOTE=Pointguard;14180739]Haney feels like Loma avoided him. And that Loma will need him now. Mikey Garcia is saying Loma ducked him as well. Teo acts like he don't want to grant the fight. So people remember stuff. Which puts Loma in a situation where six contemporaries should make it to the HOF and he only fought one who beat him clearly while being only 23 years old. Loma did beat Russell but Russ wasn't a champion yet. Loma needs another fight but can he handle 135??? He's not going to beat Shakur at 130 either. He's got a situation.[/QUOTE]

He's got a situation all right just like Joshua had a situation. But I think it's clear he's more than capable of beating any of these guys. It's just that maybe he's not as good as where people put him and can be beat by any of these guys as well. But he's a big name so just like Joshua, he should get plenty of chances to redeem himself.

[QUOTE=Pointguard;14180773]Wait, let me guess what posters this is??? I give it to you tho. Sounding redundant and stupid doesn't stop you. A true Trump era escapee'

A champion will find a way to win and go a little further. Or otherwords, he didn't get championship Russell. Teo fought like the champion in the Loma fight.
Over these last three pages you have worked hard enough to prove you aren't a fan. Now a parrot! you roll hard on that one.

He unified the belts. There were no excuses, no ducking, no style that caused him problems. He deserved the next big fight.

I don't mean to get on your parrottism but can it be a little clearer?[/QUOTE]

LMAO.:roll:

This Casual.:facepalm

So Bud resigning with Arum knowing the big fights are in the other side of the street does not have anything to of him getting any big fight?:confusedshrug:

Casual gonna casual.

If Bud dare to be great, do what Sweet Pea (RIP) did. That’s another riddle for you casual. Can you finally get one at least.

Any fight fan can connect the dots to what I just said.

if you dunno:no:

Casual

Betta aks somebody:oldlol:

[QUOTE=Rooster;14180845]LMAO.:roll:

This Casual.:facepalm

So Bud resigning with Arum knowing the big fights are in the other side of the street does not have anything to of him getting any big fight?:confusedshrug: [/quote]
Arum got Loma a franchise belt so that he could avoid fighters. Bud was more deserving of a franchise belt. And Arum can't get Bud a fight after he clears out a division. Its because of racism, not because of this 'other side of the street" as some Vloggers say - and the parrot repeats. Andrade, the Charlo twins, Bud, Gary Russell, Andre Ward, Errol Spence all are/were denied some gate money, fights, p4p list too because of color.

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If Bud dare to be great, do what Sweet Pea (RIP) did. That’s another riddle for you casual. Can you finally get one at least. [/quote]
You are a casual parrot, why would I care to riddle with you? This isn't Batman. You don't know the [B]main reason[/B] its happening now which would do you much more service than that De Lay Hoya stuff years ago. You have to step your game up. Give us an original thought rather than over quoting vloggers and trying way to hard to sound 1980ish. BTW, its "Betta ax sumbody." You are only 4 decades behind.

[QUOTE=Pointguard;14180936]Arum got Loma a franchise belt so that he could avoid fighters. Bud was more deserving of a franchise belt. And Arum can't get Bud a fight after he clears out a division. Its because of racism, not because of this 'other side of the street" as some Vloggers say - and the parrot repeats. Andrade, the Charlo twins, Bud, Gary Russell, Andre Ward, Errol Spence all are/were denied some gate money, fights, p4p list too because of color.


You are a casual parrot, why would I care to riddle with you? This isn't Batman. You don't know the [B]main reason[/B] its happening now which would do you much more service than that De Lay Hoya stuff years ago. You have to step your game up. Give us an original thought rather than over quoting vloggers and trying way to hard to sound 1980ish. BTW, its "Betta ax sumbody." You are only 4 decades behind.[/QUOTE]


LMAO :oldlol:

Franchise belt:roll:

only casuals get butthurt by those tag

LMAO

casual

ThatÂ’s nothing but a gimmick

For alphabets to collect more fees


LMAO


See casual , you canÂ’t even connect Bud with Sweet Pea daring to be great type of cojones .

instead you use a blanket statement like racism. WTF

action speaks louder than words

if Bud wanted a big fight

he could have simply went on and sign with PBC

They have all the fighters for a big fight

oh yeah for casual like you, itÂ’s the brother that runs it.

you keep trying to get out of your casual zone boyo:oldlol:

casuals gonna casual

betta aks somebody boyo

[QUOTE=Rooster;14181002]LMAO :oldlol:

Franchise belt:roll:

only casuals get butthurt by those tag

casual

ThatÂ’s nothing but a gimmick

For alphabets to collect more fees [/quote]
Its impossible to tell how much you are truly ignorant of. The franchise belt is an avoidance belt. It doesn't operate like other belts at all. Loma didn't have to give it to Teo. Please tell me you knew this.

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See casual , you canÂ’t even connect Bud with Sweet Pea daring to be great type of cojones .

instead you use a blanket statement like racism. WTF [/quote]
Ohhh. So Wow, you over here parading like a historian and you just said something that incredibly stupid. Which Black guy has a franchise belt? Mayweather didn't lose for 2 decades and didn't get one. In fact if you look at how the belt was distributed it was to deny Black fighters from getting title shots. Loma didn't want to fight Haney and asked for the Belt. Teo is doing the same. Alvarez is a warrior so I doubt that he requested the belt but he doesn't want to fight Charlo or Andrade and was given the franchise belt.

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action speaks louder than words

if Bud wanted a big fight

he could have simply went on and sign with PBC

They have all the fighters for a big fight

oh yeah for casual like you, itÂ’s the brother that runs it.

you keep trying to get out of your casual zone boyo:oldlol:

casuals gonna casual

betta aks somebody boyo[/QUOTE]

Why did you waste time reading about Henry Armstrong and Jersey Joe if you have a weak concept of Race, History and Boxing. Why not just finish the circus books? You know you about that life. Well the parrot thing is coming along for you, dough, so maybe you can burn the candle on both ends. You can be a parrot in Macy's working in guess what section??? The casual section. That would be more impressive than your post here. Probably will get fired when you throw in "betta aks somebody" cause that's suppose to be your job. But we know you're limited.

[QUOTE=Pointguard;14181087]Its impossible to tell how much you are truly ignorant of. The franchise belt is an avoidance belt. It doesn't operate like other belts at all. Loma didn't have to give it to Teo. Please tell me you knew this.


Ohhh. So Wow, you over here parading like a historian and you just said something that incredibly stupid. Which Black guy has a franchise belt? Mayweather didn't lose for 2 decades and didn't get one. In fact if you look at how the belt was distributed it was to deny Black fighters from getting title shots. Loma didn't want to fight Haney and asked for the Belt. Teo is doing the same. Alvarez is a warrior so I doubt that he requested the belt but he doesn't want to fight Charlo or Andrade and was given the franchise belt.



Why did you waste time reading about Henry Armstrong and Jersey Joe if you have a weak concept of Race, History and Boxing. Why not just finish the circus books? You know you about that life. Well the parrot thing is coming along for you, dough, so maybe you can burn the candle on both ends. You can be a parrot in Macy's working in guess what section??? The casual section. That would be more impressive than your post here. Probably will get fired when you throw in "betta aks somebody" cause that's suppose to be your job. But we know you're limited.[/QUOTE]


LMAO :oldlol:

Franchise belt is a hogwash casual.

WBA has been doing that for years

they just have a different label.

its the casuals like you that get confused.

Bud is actually one of my favorite fighter.

He is technically on Hagler level of ambidextrous .

But his 147 run leave a lot to be desired of

He has a chance to be on that opposite of the street yet he chose not to be

So casual, that’s on him

he’s not getting big fights because he made a choice not to.

Now he’s cherry picking someone who was once one of the best at 147.

But but but

Casuals like you can’t probably differentiate that nuance of cherrypicking.

And Walcott and Armstrong is a weak sauce of your claim.

Like I said you’re out of your casual zone.

Clueless casuals like you can’t probably figure out that some of the ATG never got a title shot because of racism

yet they are revered by fight fans.

That’s another riddle for you Casual

if you dunno

betta aks somebody boyo.

[QUOTE=Rooster;14181107]LMAO :oldlol:

Franchise belt is a hogwash casual.

WBA has been doing that for years [/quote]

It has nothing to do with the WBA. Its the WBC. Which has to do with all the politics of Loma asking for the belt to avoid Haney. Arum went to the WBC to get Loma the belt. Arum who made sure to ruin Bud's career does everything for Loma. To appease Loma's need to not get the Matrix exposed to Haney he got a belt that negates a mandatory. I still don't know why Loma gave Teo the franchise belt because he didn't have too. It's obvious that you don't have a clue about what the franchise belt is.

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But his 147 run leave a lot to be desired of

He has a chance to be on that opposite of the street yet he chose not to be

So casual, that’s on him

he’s not getting big fights because he made a choice not to. [/quote]
In the time of Henry Armstrong they didn't have TVs, internet or million dollar promoters. Champions didn't need that. Now Bud has a million dollar promoter that promoted Muhammad Ali and he has TV, and internet and you say he has to "cross the street." Yet you admit he's not getting fights. He went to Errol Spence himself and the fight is going to happen. Arum was getting millions to do it and couldn't do it. Are you intelligent enough to see what is the main factor?

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And Walcott and Armstrong is a weak sauce of your claim. [/quote]
Please, don't bring them up. You aren't bright enough to go there. They lived in concepts you proved you can't understand.

[QUOTE=Pointguard;14181314]It has nothing to do with the WBA. Its the WBC. Which has to do with all the politics of Loma asking for the belt to avoid Haney. Arum went to the WBC to get Loma the belt. Arum who made sure to ruin Bud's career does everything for Loma. To appease Loma's need to not get the Matrix exposed to Haney he got a belt that negates a mandatory. I still don't know why Loma gave Teo the franchise belt because he didn't have too. It's obvious that you don't have a clue about what the franchise belt is.


In the time of Henry Armstrong they didn't have TVs, internet or million dollar promoters. Champions didn't need that. Now Bud has a million dollar promoter that promoted Muhammad Ali and he has TV, and internet and you say he has to "cross the street." Yet you admit he's not getting fights. He went to Errol Spence himself and the fight is going to happen. Arum was getting millions to do it and couldn't do it. Are you intelligent enough to see what is the main factor?


Please, don't bring them up. You aren't bright enough to go there. They lived in concepts you proved you can't understand.[/QUOTE]


This casual:roll:

WBA started calling their belt holder super champion when they unified.

Then have another guys fighting for their regular belt.

So in essence they have 2 champions .

Casual like you get confused

The same gimmick the WBC is doing except they call it Franchise belt.

and designate whoever they want

And no fight fan will fall with that gimmick.

But casuals like you is clueless.



LMAO about Bud and your casual thinking

PBC is founded by a brother

Spence fought Porter and Garcia Next

Porter fought Thurman and Garcia and Spence

Thurman fought PAC, Garcia and Porter

And Pac fought Thurman already


So among the big fights

where is mofo Bud on that equation

and now you are using Arum angle with Ali etc

Casuals talk.

if Bud wanted those big fights

He could have simply sign with PBC and got them.


and please stay inside your casual lane.

ThereÂ’s a reason why casuals like you have no clue.

so

betta aks someone boyo:oldlol:

Crawford is overhyped and overrated. Fought nothing but tomato cans

[QUOTE=Run DLC;14181450]Crawford is overhyped and overrated. Fought nothing but tomato cans[/QUOTE]

I dunno if you’re serious but Bud fought the best possible competition until he moved up to 147. Even at 147 those are not tomato cans, very good fighters. I gave him the benefit of the doubt until he decided to resign with Arum knowing the big fights are at PBC. Now he’s saying he does not need them and all that crap.

Since one casual can’t answer any riddle . I’m gonna unlock what Sweet Pea did that fight fans still revered until this day. Back then fight fans were thirsty for him and Chavez Sr squaring off. Despite with Fighting on a different promoters and different network, he found his way to fight Chavez and even he got robbed, fight fans still remember that W . If you look at how historians kindly ranked him and the Ring ranked Sweet Pea, he deserved all the acknowledgements.

Now Bud can’t even step up. He’s acting like a Diva and if his fight with Spence will never materialized he will go down as the duck artist.