Im gonna go ahead and assume I know what I meant better than you do. I gave you an answer and when you seemed to not get it I explained it better. All there is to it.
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Im gonna go ahead and assume I know what I meant better than you do. I gave you an answer and when you seemed to not get it I explained it better. All there is to it.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Im gonna go ahead and assume I know what I meant better than you do. I gave you an answer and when you seemed to not get it I explained it better. All there is to it.[/QUOTE]
I didn't get it?
You said "Tossup". What is there not to get? But then later, you changed your answer and said ______ for career and peak is toss up.
Also I don't get one thing
[QUOTE=KBlaze8855]There is the "Who would I rather have" question and the "Who had the btter career" question. On one its a tossup and on the other the answer is clear. [/QUOTE]
First of all I don't know who you think has the clear edge and on where.
Also, I don't get how career can be so clear while peak/prime toss up. (If thats what you meant) Because, when comparing careers, last time I checked, most of career is determined by how good the player was in his peak and prime. Kevin Johnson isn't no Bill Walton either, so unless you HEAVILY weight longevity and injuries, I don't see how a "clear" edge can come from a toss up at peak, especially with KJ. Who has missed only 1 playoff game in his career, and had 9 prime years.
[QUOTE]Who has missed only 1 playoff game in his career, and had 9 prime years.[/QUOTE]
He also missed 25 games a year throughout that sparkling career. The guy is Marcus Camby lite.
Just sayin.
Glove:
You do realize that Western Conference PGs in the early to mid nineties had inflated stats when compared with every other era in history?
You do realize that the way the game was played in that conference at that time (high scoring, minimal defense, no zones) made the stats somewhat larger than they would be in other eras?
I admire your permawood for Payton and KJ, but it is all *******-ism of the highest standard if you dont take that into account.
[QUOTE=RidonKs]He also missed 25 games a year throughout that sparkling career. The guy is Marcus Camby lite.
Just sayin.[/QUOTE]
RidonK, if you don't know what you are talking about, don't interfere.
I am guessing you counted the last year 2000? Kevin Johnson only played in the end of the year because Jason Kidd hurt his ankle and had to sit out some games in the playoffs. So Kevin Johnson, comes OUT OF RETIREMENT, to play a couple of games in the end of the season, and play for Kidd in the playoffs at the end. Though he didn't make much of a difference, they got out of the 1st round with Kidd only playing 1 game in the 1st round series. And that was the only time Kidd got out of the first round in the West as well. (The other team's star player was also out)
I doubt you were old enough to remember all of that so you added 2000 as part of KJ's career, but he didn't even get injured that year, and came out of retirement just to help give his team a boost.
What makes KJ so much more underrated then another Phoenix great Paul Westphal?
Sure, 21 games per year. Which ever way you slice it, or try to avoid the issue by saying 'he never missed a playoff game', he was still injury prone. Very much so as a matter of fact. Broke the 80 game barriar once in his career, and only played 70+ games 33% of his career.
I'm not trying to 'interfere', I'm just making a point. A point that you don't really have to have seen Kevin Johnson play a lot to make. He was injury prone. That's a major career detriment.
Once again, just sayin.
But sure, feel free to continue to talk down to me as if I'm an infant. As long as it produces positive effects for youself, I see no reason for you to stop.
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]What makes KJ so much more underrated then another Phoenix great Paul Westphal?[/QUOTE]
Whose underrating Westphal? He was never that good. I mean he was a great scorer and a solid passer, but how many of those are in the league today? Pierce, McGrady, Allen, Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Vince, are all on his level or better...
[QUOTE=Glove_20]Whose underrating Westphal? He was never that good. I mean he was a great scorer and a solid passer, but how many of those are in the league today? Pierce, McGrady, Allen, Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Vince, are all on his level or better...[/QUOTE]
Bad question, alright here goes another try.
Some peoples are putting KJ between the 25 - 40 range of All-Time greats, so comparing him to some players that might fit around those rankings, why Kevin Johnson over an Alex English, a Hal Greer or a Dominoque Wilkins?
[QUOTE=RidonKs]Sure, 21 games per year. Which ever way you slice it, or try to avoid the issue by saying 'he never missed a playoff game', he was still injury prone. Very much so as a matter of fact. Broke the 80 game barriar once in his career, and only played 70+ games 33% of his career.
I'm not trying to 'interfere', I'm just making a point. A point that you don't really have to have seen Kevin Johnson play a lot to make. He was injury prone. That's a major career detriment.
Once again, just sayin.
But sure, feel free to continue to talk down to me as if I'm an infant. As long as it produces positive effects for youself, I see no reason for you to stop.[/QUOTE]
:rollingeyes:
Once again, your off. People who can't do simple addition and division with a calculator or can't read deserve to be treated like infants.
He averaged a little more than 66 games per year.
Now I don't know where the mistake was, maybe in your addition, divison, or subtraction, or reading, but another stupid mistake. Two. Thats why I told you not to interfere, people like you can't do math with a calculator, and then come talk with facts. Or can't read.
[QUOTE=RidonK]Broke the 80 game barriar once in his career, and only played 70+ games 33% of his career.[/QUOTE]
It must've been a reading error.
He broke 80 twice, and he played 70+ games 55% of his career (not counting the last out of retirement season, and even counting that, its 50%, so your "WAY" off)
Maybe now you have learned your lesson, I mean, at least before you come, make sure you know what your talking about, or that you did simple math with a calculator right. Or that you "read" right....
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Bad question, alright here goes another try.
Some peoples are putting KJ between the 25 - 40 range of All-Time greats, so comparing him to some players that might fit around those rankings, why Kevin Johnson over an Alex English, a Hal Greer or a Dominoque Wilkins?[/QUOTE]
Come on...
How can you even argue Greer over a great like KJ?
Even in scoring, I'd take Kevin Johnson. Greer put like 22/45% in his prime, vs. KJ, 21/50% in his prime. Passing, no comments....
You get the point? Greer isn't even close to Kevin Johnson.
Kblaze came, he saw, he conquered! :banana:
[QUOTE=GOBB]Kblaze came, he saw, he conquered! :banana:[/QUOTE]
Saw what? Conquered what?
Right now he is afraid to say Kidd over Kevin Johnson career or peak/prime (which I've asked him about 5 times and he hasn't said Kidd over KJ directly, because he knows he will be proved wrong)
And ask KBlaze if he's made ANY argument against KJ being really good besides....
"He didn't get voted into Top 50"
An opinion of others, and GMAT responded with opinion of others as well.
And then KBlaze just said, "I don't believe in other opinions and the Top 50 list of opinion either"
And the other one, lol.
"KJ no way is that great" and he said that in 4 or 5 forms...:oldlol:
Bottom line, no real argument,
But don't worry, I'll start a Kidd vs. KJ thread soon....
[QUOTE=Glove_20]Come on...
How can you even argue Greer over a great like KJ?
Even in scoring, I'd take Kevin Johnson. Greer put like 22/45% in his prime, vs. KJ, 21/50% in his prime. Passing, no comments....
You get the point? Greer isn't even close to Kevin Johnson.[/QUOTE]
Kevin Johnson is just on a whole 'nother level then a top 50 Hall of Famer that was a 10 time All-Star and made 7 straight All-NBA 2nd teams?
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Kevin Johnson is just on a whole 'nother level then a top 50 Hall of Famer that was a 10 time All-Star and made 7 straight All-NBA 2nd teams?[/QUOTE]
Just tell me what he was better in. You think he was a better scorer? 21/50% >>> 22/45%.
And honestly, the edge in passing/playmaking is so great, that nothing can make it up.