What are some unpopular basketball beliefs that you have?

[QUOTE=Tavr;15020198]Not sure they're LeBron stans who took to those polls, but even at that time, I remember there being a lot of debate on Curry being robbed. Saying thats "revisionist history" is completely incorrect. And ironically revisionism. I personally think Steph shouldlve won it just based on the criteria they've used since Jerry West.

Gotta wonder why they went astray?[/QUOTE]

Agreed. I was going to ignore those posts but when they started talking about revisionist history….that was just a bridge too far.

The reason they went astray? Well it’s an award voted by the media, and the media crafts their narratives they think will be the most popular. In this case it’s an all about Lebron James narrative. Some of them tried to give the MVP to him, but a lot ended up giving it to iggy which was pretty much a low key vote for Lebron. Iggy winning it was a way of the media circling it back around and making everything still about James.

[QUOTE=Phoenix;15020203]Who said he didn't need help? Which all-timer hasn't? Again, whatever prompts you to drag Lebron into spaces where there's zero reason to is your problem.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Who's to say it wasn't a greater strategic move to spread out scoring a bit because it increased the chances of the team being a consistent contender vs forcing the ball into Duncan to drop 25 a night? Who's to say its not the inverse of your point where it was his presence that opened up the game for them to score more, instead of it being a reliance? Duncan proved himself before those two came into the league. You're arguing the chicken or the egg.

His game wasn't flashy nor was his personality, and I think that is mostly why he tends to be overlooked. But this notion that this is the case because Manu and Parker took on greater scoring roles as he aged? Sorry, not buying that for a dollar. Ma[/QUOTE]
No need to discredit his fmvp teammates and Manu. Even Danny Green almost won it in 2013. You guys just pick and choose who you want to defend.

If Reinsdorf didn't own the White Sox.... no way Jordan walks away in the middle of his Bulls contract and look for a team who might hopefully sign him.

With Jerry owning the White Sox, MJ gets to be the highest paid minor leaguer by still collecting his Bulls checks.

Then MLB goes on strike. Jerry isn't going to just let Mike do nothing and still collect checks so he has no choice but to comeback to play for the Bulls the remainder of the 1995 season.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15020205]Agreed. I was going to ignore those posts but when they started talking about revisionist history….that was just a bridge too far.

The reason they went astray? Well it’s an award voted by the media, and the media crafts their narratives they think will be the most popular. In this case it’s an all about Lebron James narrative. Some of them tried to give the MVP to him, but a lot ended up giving it to iggy which was pretty much a low key vote for Lebron. Iggy winning it was a way of the media circling it back around and making everything still about James.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=LAL;15020206]No need to discredit his fmvp teammates and Manu.[/QUOTE]

Except that's not discrediting them. It's saying that Manu and Parker's contributions to those teams from the mid 2000s on doesn't diminish Duncan's greatness. It's saying that featuring Manu and Parker in scoring diversified the team offense, and made them more dangerous than forcing the ball into Duncan and kept them a contender over 15 years. Ballers argument was that Duncan needed to lean on those guys scoring, and my counter was to say why isn't it the inverse? Where is the line drawn between Duncan opening up the game for those guys, vs him benefiting from them? And even if its the latter, why does that make him any less great? Magic isn't less great because Worthy won the 88 finals MVP and often led the team in scoring. Bird isn't less great because he had years with Mchale averaging 26 a night. And if the net result of sharing the ball more was they won a title, isn't that the point? So yes, there is nuance here and then there is boiling things down to very simple, low hanging fruit talking points. Not to discount that Baller himself doesn't even agree with the idea that the extent of Duncan's greatness depends on the roles Manu and Parker played as the years passed, he's just saying this is his perception of why OTHERS downplay him.

None of that undermines that Duncan was 15x all-nba, 15x all-defense, 2 time MVP just in terms of individual accolades, and won two titles with Finals MVPs before Manu or Parker become anything else to all-star caliber players. So you can take away the final 2 rings that he didn't win FMVP for because you want to assign greater credit to Parker/Manu/Kawhi, and his career is still comfortably top 10. It's weird for a Kobe/LA fan to downplay how good he was to push a narrative that he's being overrated to boost Lebron. Really fukking weird, but do you.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15019978]It’s called a unpopular opinion, not a ridiculous statement that has no fundamental place even existing in the game.

Yea let’s make basketball a different sport. UNPOPULAR![/QUOTE]

Ok let’s just regurgitate the same wannabe edgy takes fools have had for 20 plus years?

Stfu sucker.

Here’s an unpopular opinion.

Jordan, LeBron, and Kobe are all not top 5.

Let’s go pages.

Lebron and Giannis are allowed to travel and push-off on most drives of their career. They're not as good as they are manufactured.

Almost ALL players carry the ball on every single dribble.

[QUOTE=fsvr54;15020225]Lebron and Giannis are allowed to travel and push-off on most drives of their career. They're not as good as they are manufactured.

[B]Almost ALL players carry the ball on every single dribble.[/B][/QUOTE]

Shit that's like the opposite of unpopular lol. That's a pretty widely held viewpoint. I mean, almost 'all' players and 'every' dribble is a bit over the top, but alot of today's moves are definitely only possible because they've swallowed the whistle on alot of things that would have been considered a travel/carry years ago.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15020205]Agreed. I was going to ignore those posts but [B]when they started talking about revisionist history….that was just a bridge too far.[/B]

The reason they went astray? Well it’s an award voted by the media, and the media crafts their narratives they think will be the most popular. In this case it’s an all about Lebron James narrative. Some of them tried to give the MVP to him, but a lot ended up giving it to iggy which was pretty much a low key vote for Lebron. Iggy winning it was a way of the media circling it back around and making everything still about James.[/QUOTE]

Its a bizarre claim considering MOST people here watched that series, and likely argued it on this very forum. :lol Sports talk shows around the freaking world debated whether Iguodala deserved it. I'm not going to say it was some elaborate "Pro LeBron" conspiracy, but you are 100% correct with them pushing a narrative. Back in 2015, LeBron was wildfire when it pertained to driving NBA interest.

[QUOTE=Tavr;15020228]Its a bizarre claim considering MOST people here watched that series, and likely argued it on this very forum. :lol Sports talk shows around the freaking world debated whether Iguodala deserved it. I'm not going to say it was some elaborate "Pro LeBron" conspiracy, but you are 100% correct with them pushing a narrative. Back in 2015, LeBron was wildfire when it pertained to driving NBA interest.[/QUOTE]

Yes. It was very controversial at the time. Acting like it was hands down Iguodala in June of 2015 and anyone questioning it now is “revisionist history” is just insane and laughable. Even more so because the posters who were peddling that were legit watching at the time and were there. It’s revisionist history calling what really happened revisionist history. Lol.

I’m not saying it’s any sort of conspiracy really. If Media guys think they are going to get more views by crafting a narrative a certain way, they will do it. Like you said LeBron in 2015 was the cash cow in this regard.

The actual narrative that a team that came out of nowhere got to the Finals and faced a Lebron James superteam who had some untimely injuries was not the most compelling storyline. They would rather craft it as a LeBron vs all odds and he was going to find a way to win somehow until Iguodala miraculously steps up to deny him. That’s not what happened but it is way more dramatic and sells better.

9/10 times the answer is money.

The only reason it was controversial in your mind is because you prematurely made a "Curry Finals MVP" celebration thread moments before they gave it to Iggy.

LeBron got more FMVP votes than Curry, in fact Curry didn't receive a single vote.:oldlol:

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15020240]The only reason it was controversial in your mind is because you prematurely made a "Curry Finals MVP" celebration thread moments before they gave it to Iggy.

LeBron got more FMVP votes than Curry, in fact Curry didn't receive a single vote.:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that’s the only reason.

Not like he dictated blitz traps from 30 feet out all game every game and still managed to beat them.

You talked about box score earlier which is hilarious because Steph is one of the number one guys where it comes to box scores not showing his true value due to his goat spacing and goat number of hockey assists which don’t get recorded.

You try to craft this “shut down by delly narrative” which is ridiculous since he was being hard doubled every time in half court situations from way behind the 3 point line. Trying to imply delly shut him down individually is just inaccurate and disingenuous. The entire Cavs team defensive gameplan was to deny Curry at any cost and let the others beat us. Guess what even with the strat to go all in on Curry. Klay Thompson scored under 16 ppg on an absolutely dreadful, worse than allen iverson, 51% TS.

Yet you guys wanna glaze Thompson as best second option ever when he can’t score 16 ppg on league average efficiency while Curry is legit getting double teamed 24/7.

You are a clown.

[QUOTE=John8204;15019736]The 77' Ring is the greatest championship of all-time.[/QUOTE]

One of the most impressive for sure.

Blazers played and beat the two best defensive teams in the league during the first two rounds, a peak Kareem in the WCF & a stacked Sixers team in the Finals after being down 0-2.

Steph scored 26 ppg on 59% TS while seeing aggressive double teams the entire series and Lebron stans try to fade him

Klay scores under 10 points less on 51% TS while seeing wide open looks and the same guys glaze him as this next level elite second option

Lebron stans are literally the worst