Did Shohei Ohtani just have the greatest individual game in sports history?

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038463]You are a crackhead who is going through with withdraws this morning.[/QUOTE]

You are a midget beaner who thinks the moon is a spaceship and gonna waste his entire day watching retarded YouTube videos :lol

Nice life

[QUOTE=GOBB;15038448]You’re not here to debate cocaine. So why did you reply?

“In the 70’s Kareem was best player in the nba. In the 80’s it was magic and bird. In the 90’s it was Shaq”.

Me “no in the 90’s it was MJ. Nice try”

Warriormeathead “Kareem was considered the best in the 70’s plus it was wildly recognized magic and bird was in the 80’s. I’m not here to debate what he said about the 90’s.”


You’re not bright at all here. Go find a way to get banned and feel accomplished in life[/QUOTE]

Ouch. Destroyed.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038467]Ouch. Destroyed.[/QUOTE]

Go cuddle up to Gobb because your midget low iq ass is getting mopped up :lol

That shit is super weak and cringe. You guys should exchange contact info, you two dudes both operate at the same wavelength. You guys will get along well.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038461]I recently made fun of a list for having Hakeem ahead of Wilt & Russell, yet you choose to ignore that. Wonder why.[/QUOTE]

???

Keep ignoring it.

Your whole point about me was just destroyed and now you have nothing to say.

lmao.

Actually had some decent baseball talk for a minute. Fun while that lasted :lol

The main problem I have with Ruth is that we don't actually know if he was the best baseball player during his time, because there were probably a couple of black guys who could've put up similar numbers had they had the opportunity. Even a white guy on his own team, Gerhig, was putting up comparable numbers during his prime.

I mean, the two other main GOAT candidates are black in Bonds and Mays... and then you have Hank Aaron so arguably 3 black players in the top 5 alone. It's not that I don't think Ruth would've had similar numbers with a fully integrated league, it's that there's a good chance there was a black guy who would've made him look a lot less God-like. To me, this is a bigger red flag than Bonds taking steroids


And if you use steroids against Bonds, how can you not give him credit for dominating the 90s when he was presumably clean while many of his peers were already juicing?

And how can you explain Bonds far and away dominating an incredibly deep talent pool with a ton of guys juicing to the point he had a 300 point OPS advantage over the next best guy from 2001-2004?

We're cool with Ruth dominating against only whites, but not cool with Bonds dominating everybody? The logic doesn't make sense.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15038472]Actually had some decent baseball talk for a minute. Fun while that lasted :lol[/QUOTE]

:lol

This is why we can’t have nice things

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;15038473]The main problem I have with Ruth is that we don't actually know if he was the best baseball player during his time, because there were probably a couple of black guys who could've put up similar numbers had they had the opportunity. Even a white guy on his own team, Gerhig, was putting up comparable numbers during his prime.

I mean, the two other main GOAT candidates are black in Bonds and Mays... and then you have Hank Aaron so arguably 3 black players in the top 5 alone. It's not that I don't think Ruth would've had similar numbers with a fully integrated league, it's that there's a good chance there was a black guy who would've made him look a lot less God-like. To me, this is a bigger red flag than Bonds taking steroids


[B]And if you use steroids against Bonds, how can you not give him credit for dominating the 90s when he was presumably clean while many of his peers were already juicing?

And how can you explain Bonds far and away dominating an incredibly deep talent pool with a ton of guys juicing to the point he had a 300 point OPS advantage over the next best guy from 2001-2004?

We're cool with Ruth dominating against only whites, but not cool with Bonds dominating everybody? The logic doesn't make sense[/B].[/QUOTE]

It’s because lakers87 and logic don’t go hand in hand. I’ve pointed this out countless times. He legit makes shit up. What you said tracks though.

Ruth did not cheat, unlike Bonds. Ruth was also a world class pitcher at one point. Imagine if Bonds was one of the best pitchers in the league at one point during the mid-late 80's and won a Cy Young award before he took over the game with his bat in the 90's. That was basically Babe Ruth. He was a mystical player that still gets talked about 100 years later.

1. Ruth
2. Mays

Nuff said.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038475]It’s because lakers87 and logic don’t go hand in hand. I’ve pointed this out countless times. He legit makes shit up. What you said tracks though.[/QUOTE]

So you agree with that post, but shit on LeBron for playing in a deeper talent pool league than MJ and played when the NBA expanded internationally while 90's NBA was mostly American.

You have no logic.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038474]:lol

This is why we can’t have nice things[/QUOTE]

It's because of you. You come in threads and start throwing personal insults instead of debating.

Have some self awareness dipshit.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038477]Ruth did not cheat, unlike Bonds. Ruth was also a world class pitcher at one point. Imagine if Bonds was one of the best pitchers in the league at one point during the mid-late 80's and won a Cy Young award before he took over the game with his bat in the 90's. That was basically Babe Ruth. He was a mystical player that still gets talked about 100 years later.

1. Ruth
2. Mays

Nuff said.[/QUOTE]

Imagine if Ruth played in a fully integrated league and dominated it with 5 surefire MVP seasons while many of his peers were juicing, and then went on to juice in his late 30s and put together the greatest run in sports history. That'd be crazy right?

Bonds in the 90s was basically him playing with a 50 pound weight vest, and him juicing just allowed him to take the weight vest off and even the playing field.

It's the only explanation for a guy dominating the way he did in his lage 30s. It means he was playing the game on hard mode before.


Ruth playing with and against only whites is a way bigger asterisk than what Bonds did. We know Bonds was the best clean and unclean vs. a deep, fully integrated talent pool.

There are way too many all-time great non-whites for it not to be a massive deal that Ruth played in a white only league. There's a reason nobody gives a **** about George Mikan.



And Ruth tried to cheat by injecting himself with sheep testicle extract but it backfired by making him incredibly I'll lol. He would've 100% juiced had given the opportunity.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038479]It's because of you. You come in threads and start throwing personal insults instead of debating.

Have some self awareness dipshit.[/QUOTE]

I’m not gonna waste my time debating with a low iq monkey who never saw pre steroids bonds and try to talk about him. BTW you think the Moon is a spaceship.

You are a clueless dipshit. It is what it is.

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;15038480]Imagine if Ruth played in a fully integrated league and dominated it with 5 surefire MVP seasons while many of his peers were juicing, and then went on to juice in his late 30s and put together the greatest run in sports history. That'd be crazy right?

Bonds in the 90s was basically him playing with a 50 pound weight vest, and him juicing just allowed him to take the weight vest off and even the playing field.

It's the only explanation for a guy dominating the way he did in his lage 30s. It means he was playing the game on hard mode before.


Ruth playing with and against only whites is a way bigger asterisk than what Bonds did. We know Bonds was the best clean and unclean vs. a deep, fully integrated talent pool.

There are way too many all-time great non-whites for it not to be a massive deal that Ruth played in a white only league. There's a reason nobody gives a **** about George Mikan.



And Ruth tried to cheat by injecting himself with sheep testicle extract but it backfired by making him incredibly I'll lol. He would've 100% juiced had given the opportunity.[/QUOTE]

Ether. Thank you for having more patience than me. I can’t even deal with these dudes like Lakers87

Also bringing up Ruth's pitching is kinda meaningless because he played the majority of his career as a regular position player, in which he was an average fielder and horrible base runner.

Bonds played the majority of his career as one of the best fielding left fielders of all time and an excellent base runner... again, in a fully integrated league.

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;15038480]Imagine if Ruth played in a fully integrated league and dominated it with 5 surefire MVP seasons while many of his peers were juicing, and then went on to juice in his late 30s and put together the greatest run in sports history. That'd be crazy right?

Bonds in the 90s was basically him playing with a 50 pound weight vest, and him juicing just allowed him to take the weight vest off and even the playing field.

It's the only explanation for a guy dominating the way he did in his lage 30s. It means he was playing the game on hard mode before.


Ruth playing with and against only whites is a way bigger asterisk than what Bonds did. We know Bonds was the best clean and unclean vs. a deep, fully integrated talent pool.

There are way too many all-time great non-whites for it not to be a massive deal that Ruth played in a white only league. There's a reason nobody gives a **** about George Mikan.



And Ruth tried to cheat by injecting himself with sheep testicle extract but it backfired by making him incredibly I'll lol. He would've 100% juiced had given the opportunity.[/QUOTE]

If you put 1921 Ruth with no modern training into the 90's I have no doubt Bonds would be better. The best pitcher during Ruth's era and who many consider the GOAT pitcher could only throw around 94 mph. Ohtani can throw 100+.

We could only compare these guys vs what they did vs their competition and there was nobody who dominated his competition more than Ruth did, he was hitting more home runs than some teams, that would be equal to someone hitting over 100 home runs today and before that he was a top 5 pitcher in the league.

It's why you don't see someone like Hakeem being ranked ahead of guys like Russell & Wilt often. Hakeem played much better competition and was 100x more skilled than them, but Wilt & Russell were more transcendent during their era.