Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."

[QUOTE=Poetry]The game was just more physical then. That kind of contact wasn't uncommon.

When Zo did this to Pippen...

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..it was only called a regular hard foul. Pip shrugged it off without exaggeration and play continued.[/QUOTE]
So players weren't playing defense back then, just attacking players because they weren't skilled enough to play real defense?

[QUOTE=atljonesbro]So players weren't playing defense back then, just attacking players because they weren't skilled enough to play real defense?[/QUOTE]

:facepalm....They played defense dude....just if you started killing them or having your way,..... if you went to the hole, they wanted to let you know.."If you come in here, your going to get hit. "Unlike today's players and their "soccer" style flops.

WTF? Of course it was a freaking foul.

Basketball's become pussified just like soccer. There was barely any contact there.

He's absolutely right. In a vacuum, that was definitely a foul on MJ and also the reffing is getting worse and worse.

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Best part is the defender is looking right at Wade and [B]KNOWS[/B] there's no call coming. :facepalm

[QUOTE=atljonesbro]So players weren't playing defense back then, just attacking players because they weren't skilled enough to play real defense?[/QUOTE]

:facepalm

Dafense was more physical back then. Some Flagrant 2 fouls today would be regular fouls back then. Right now you stare at someone you will get a tech. League has gone soft.

I like mj best player ever unanimously in my book but if roles were reversed and byron took the shot and pushed off it would of been called an offensive, ya'all know im right

[QUOTE=joeyjoejoe]I like mj best player ever unanimously in my book but if roles were reversed and byron took the shot and pushed off it would of been called an offensive, ya'all know im right[/QUOTE]

ORLY?

Then why wasn't Reggile Miller's shoving of Jordan called an offensive foul?

If that little tap of Jordan was called a foul. It would be one of the lamest offensive fouls ever. He barely touched him. Russell fell most likely due to momentum and broken ankles.

[QUOTE=Angel Face]ORLY?

Then why wasn't Reggile Miller's shoving of Jordan called an offensive foul?

If that little tap of Jordan was called a foul. It would be one of the lamest offensive fouls ever. He barely touched him. Russell fell most likely due to momentum and broken ankles.[/QUOTE]

I got no horse in this race, you on the other hand lol

It was a push off of course, but no worse than what a lot of players have done on a lot of shots. I dont think its anything too major in that it happens quite often. Officiating really is that bad.

What shocks me more than anything watching MJ vids 20 years later is that man was almost always single covered. We see kobe and LBJ (possibly the most doubled player ive ever seen late in games on the Cavs) have another man sent towards them countless times on game winners, but Jordan seems to have gone 1 on 1 much more frequently.

Any way to check kobe vs LBJ vs MJ on game winning shot attempts/passes and the coverage on those?

That would have been the weakest offensive foul ever if it was called. :lol

[QUOTE=LBJ4MVP23]It was a push off of course, but no worse than what a lot of players have done on a lot of shots. I dont think its anything too major in that it happens quite often. Officiating really is that bad.

What shocks me more than anything watching MJ vids 20 years later is that man was almost always single covered. We see kobe and LBJ (possibly the most doubled player ive ever seen late in games on the Cavs) have another man sent towards them countless times on game winners, but Jordan seems to have gone 1 on 1 much more frequently.

Any way to check kobe vs LBJ vs MJ on game winning shot attempts/passes and the coverage on those?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=skillswithaz]uh oh...umm

"Well if Kobe had taken a shot like that, they would've called him for an offensive foul and suspended him for game 7 because it was unnatural reaction."[/QUOTE]

LOL go check Lakers vs King game 6. Kobe did worse and got rewarded for FT

[QUOTE=LBJ4MVP23]We see kobe and LBJ (possibly the most doubled player ive ever seen late in games on the Cavs) have another man sent towards them countless times on game winners, but Jordan seems to have gone 1 on 1 much more frequently.[/QUOTE]

Here are MJs game winners.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMB0pNnHbEg[/url]

He shakes or runs into double/triple teams on at least half of them.

LeBron seems to have trouble with double teams in those situations because he doesn't pull the trigger.

Defenders know that he's looking to pass the ball if he can.

Look at what Michael does in these situations. He looks to attack and so he's always got his defenders off balance.

Here are LeBron's game winners:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEP3bfZixE8[/url]

He sees mostly single coverage on these attempts.

I'd almost forgotten how many he's hit. Things seem to go well for him when he doesn't look to pass.