The Top 100 Greatest NBA Players Of All Time According To ISH

[QUOTE=BULLS]No offense, but that is a terrible list. Russell has no business in the top 3 range. Erving was never better than Malone. Shaq is much better than Kareem, Russell, and Wilt. Kobe is leagues ahead of both Drexler and West. 33 sounds about right for West, not Kobe. Pettit is around top 80 all-time, and Mikan is around top 90. Neither deserve a top 20 spot. Oscar is nowhere near top 8. I think you meant top 50. Magic is top 3 at worst... He was way better than Russell.

Good picks:

Great job with Jordan at #1. He is the undisputed GOAT.[/QUOTE]
I agree with some of what you are saying...

I would take Shaq over them as well if I was starting a team...

and Erving does seem overrated on this list...

you can stop it with the top 80-90 talk though

and Kobe is unproven imo...but again if I was starting a team I would probably pick him over West and Drexler...



this list was based highly upon achievements and the players of old deserve respect even if they are not as athletic as the players of today....they are the ones that pathed the road for Kobe to walk on

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]D-Fence and Glove_20, I did this in about 10-15 minutes, I didn't really go back and look over the list yet.[/QUOTE]
Okay... so, why'd you post it, then? Or, what did you intend with the list?

Anyhow, if you're going to go back and look it over and create your own list again, I look forward to seeing it.

And, I think if I were to make my own such list, I'd contradict my voting in ISH's list at some point. I spent a good deal of time thinking and considering for ISH's list, but I think with more time and my own list, I'd change something, especially due to limited information on players from long ago, the difficulties or era comparisons, and that rankings are largely relative.

i dont like ur list kizzleshnizzle kobe at 33??!!:roll:

[QUOTE=sick_brah07]4 defensive player of the year awards dont count for anything?[/QUOTE]

1st of all, some of those are disputable. 2nd, unfortunately when you are talking about the top 100 players [B]ever[/B], the DPOY awards don't count for enough if there is the worst offense in the NBA paired with it.

Nash should be higher on the list than Dirk and Kevin Johnson.

[QUOTE=Soundwave]Nash should be higher on the list than Dirk and Kevin Johnson.[/QUOTE]
co sign.

[B]TOO HIGH:[/B]
David Robinson - 19 - He was very athletic and skilled at the center position, but put him above Kobe, Barkley, Stockton and Isaiah, I think not.

Gary Payton - 28 - I'm sure Glove_20 had to do alot of convincing there, The Glove was a skilled offensive player and great on defense, but he is a few spots too high at 28.

Allen Iverson - 31 - Great scorer, passer, great at playing the passing lanes, but hasnt been strong enough through his entire career to be this high.

Tracy McGrady - 53 - Good all around player, but not as consistent as i would like him to be, and not worth a top 55 spot.

[B]TOO LOW:[/B]
Kobe Bryant - 24 - One of the most skilled offensive players of all time, a hard worker and a great defensive force as well, I put him top 20 at least.

Dominique Wilkins - 43 - Greatly under-rated all around player, great offensive foot work and power. I'd put him in the 37-40 range at the lowest.

David Thompson - 69 - Great player, not a good shooter by any means, but a very athletic guy who could get to the hoop with ease, set many records in college, but his career was shortened due to drug problems. 59-63 at the lowest.

[B]WHY?[/B]
Ben Wallace - 99 - What the hell is he doing anywhere near this list?

[QUOTE=LBJ 4 MVP]co sign.
[B]WHY?[/B]
Ben Wallace - 99 - What the hell is he doing anywhere near this list?[/QUOTE]
Basetball is not just an offensive sport, hence guys like Rodman, Mutombo on the list. Wallace is a 4 time DPOY, About 7 time All-D first team, 4 time NBA All-Star, 5 time All-NBA Team Member and a champion.

[quote]Allen Iverson - 31 - Great scorer, passer, great at playing the passing lanes, but hasnt been strong enough through his entire career to be this high.[/quote]
Huh? He's been an amazing player since his rookie year.

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Basetball is not just an offensive sport, hence guys like Rodman, Mutombo on the list. Wallace is a 4 time DPOY, About 7 time All-D first team, 4 time NBA All-Star, 5 time All-NBA Team Member and a champion.[/QUOTE]
Why is he listed higher than Mark Aguire, Rolando Blackman, Jack Sikma, and Ed Macauley, among others. He doesnt deserve to be on this list.

heres a GREAT IDEA, hopefully it hasnt been done before, but if your life was on the line and you had to assemble a starting 5 of current and past players respective to their positions... who would you choose...

[QUOTE=LBJ 4 MVP]Why is he listed higher than Mark Aguire, Rolando Blackman, Jack Sikma, and Ed Macauley, among others. He doesnt deserve to be on this list.[/QUOTE]
Mark was only a better scorer then Beg Ben. Ben Wallace = more All-Star games, more All-NBA teams (none actually for Mark) More All-D teams and 4 DPOYS,

Same with Sikma, only a better scorer then Ben. He did have more All-Star squads then Ben (7-4)

Same for Ed Macauley.

I would take Bill Laimbeer over Ben Wallace, thanks.

Nice to see Rodman get some recognition, Rodman and Laimbeer seem to get shafted. Both great players.

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]KJ being as top 40 player today means he was a top 30 player when the NBA at 50 list was created 11 years ago. Why wasn't he on the list or even mentioned with the snubs (Nique, McAdoo, English) around the 50 greatest times. How is he not in the hall of fame if he is a top 40 player All-Time. He has only been nominated once for the Hall and was turned down, (that was in 2006) and he wasn't even on the ballot this past seasons Hall of Fame induction.


I'm not saying KJ wasn't a great player, but I think you and G-Matt overrate him a bit. OK, the numbers, him being one of only 3 to do ___ you post that every time we bring up a KJ discussion, but that doesn't really make him a top 40 player at #46.


Tim Hardawy took a team to the Conference Finals, been to the playoff many times with GSW and the Heat. Has just as much accolades as KJ (actually has more), guys played in the same era, yet he is #94 and KJ is #46 and you think he should be higher. Sidney Moncrief has more accolades, a better defender, and about equal efficent scorer as Kev and took his team to the Conference Finals three times, yet he's #64 and KJ is #46.[/QUOTE]

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I beg to disagree L-Kizzle i personally think that Kevin Johnson is one of the greatest Point Guard in the NBA.

Kevin Johnson wasn't voted in the NBA First Team, but he had a better statsline than 2X MVP Steve Nash during his prime, and he was also a much better 1 on 1 defender.

The good thing about Kevin Johnson he only stands at 5'11 3/4, but he shoots at least .500 from the field, and He is one of only three players in history to average at least 20.0 points and 12.0 assists in a season.

I bet he would average more points and assists while playing under Mike D'Antoni's Run and Gun Offense.

Even though he never won an MVP Award while playing for the Phoenix Suns. I still rank him as one of the best Point Guard that ever played in the NBA in the late 1980's and early 1990's.

[B]1988-89[/B] [B]( All NBA 2nd Team)[/B]

20.4 ppg, 12.4 apg, 1.7 spg, 4.2 rpg, 0.3 bpg, .505 FG%, .882 FT%

[B]Team Record:[/B] 55 wins-27 losses

[B]1989-90 ( All NBA 2nd Team) [/B]

22.5 ppg, 11.4 apg, 1.3 spg, 3.6 rpg, 0.2 bpg, .499 FG%, .838 FT%

[B]Team Record: [/B] 54 wins- 28 losses

[B]1990-91 ( All NBA 2nd Team)[/B]

22.2 ppg, 10.1 apg, 3.5 rpg, 2.1 spg, 0.1 spg, .516 FG%, .843 FT%

[B]Team Record: [/B]55 wins-27 losses

[B]1991-92 ( All NBA 3rd Team) [/B]

19.7 ppg, 10.7 apg, 3.7 rpg, 1.5 spg, 0.3 bpg, .807 FT%, .479 FG%

[B]Team Record: [/B]53 wins-29 losses

[B]1993-94 ( All NBA 2nd Team) [/B]

20.0 ppg, 9.7 apg, 2.5 rpg, 1.9 spg, 0.4 bpg, .487 FG%, .819 FT%

[B]Team Record: [/B] 56 wins-26 losses

[B]Kevin Johnson is the greatest PG of the Phoenix Suns Franchise.[/B]

i've got a problem, players from the '50s and '60s shouldn't even be on the list . like bob cousy over kobe? yeah . sure .