[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/21/well-will-utah-jazz-play-mitchell-stays/[/url]
he's not staying and they would suck if he did so why waste your time with this really?:facepalm
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[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/21/well-will-utah-jazz-play-mitchell-stays/[/url]
he's not staying and they would suck if he did so why waste your time with this really?:facepalm
Former Rockets player [URL="https://*********.com/lists/international-transactions-log-where-are-former-nba-players-going/"]William Howard signed with Spanish team Joventut Badalona for the 2022-23 season[/URL].
– via [URL="https://*********.com/lists/international-transactions-log-where-are-former-nba-players-going/"]Alberto De Roa @ *********[/URL]
[QUOTE] Steve Popper: We are going to have a lot of these days but hearing that [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]chatter of a Knicks deal for Donovan Mitchell being done is not accurate – nothing imminent[/URL].
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/StevePopper"]Twitter StevePopper[/URL]
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Woj said a couple weeks. Trust in Woj and James ****in' Dolan!!! :cheers:
[QUOTE] “Listen, I don’t know what the expiration date is on saying he’s still young, but the guy’s still young. He still has room to grow, and I think he will,” [URL="https://nypost.com/2022/07/21/jazz-analyst-thurl-bailey-donovan-mitchell-a-superstar-already/"]Thurl Bailey, a former Jazz star and analyst on the team’s pre- and postgame shows, told The Post in a phone interview. “I think he’s a superstar already.”[/URL]
– via [URL="https://nypost.com/2022/07/21/jazz-analyst-thurl-bailey-donovan-mitchell-a-superstar-already/"]Zach Braziller @ New York Post[/URL]
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without Gobert his best years may be behind him already. Superstar? :lol
[QUOTE] “He’s not a guy who walks straight to the elevator or straight to the training room,” Bailey said. [URL="https://nypost.com/2022/07/21/jazz-analyst-thurl-bailey-donovan-mitchell-a-superstar-already/"]“You can tell who the giving souls are, you can tell who the guys are that are selfish, and you can tell why guys do things, and Donovan isn’t one of those guys who does it for publicity.[/URL] He does it because that’s the way he is. He was raised with that quality, and he hasn’t lost it. That says a lot about a player of his caliber to me.”
– via [URL="https://nypost.com/2022/07/21/jazz-analyst-thurl-bailey-donovan-mitchell-a-superstar-already/"]Zach Braziller @ New York Post[/URL]
“One of the things that Donovan can and will get better at is his on-court leadership. It’s OK to get into a guy on your team every now and then,” Bailey said. “There is a way to do it. [URL="https://nypost.com/2022/07/21/jazz-analyst-thurl-bailey-donovan-mitchell-a-superstar-already/"]One of the elements that I have been waiting to see [out of him] is that alpha dog attitude.[/URL] I’d like to see a little bit more of that outwardly from Donovan, especially in difficult games, difficult parts of the season. I think he has it in him.
– via [URL="https://nypost.com/2022/07/21/jazz-analyst-thurl-bailey-donovan-mitchell-a-superstar-already/"]Zach Braziller @ New York Post[/URL]
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don't know that a person that doesn't care at all about D or passing to the open man does Thurl
George Zakkas: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Panathinaikos BC are trying to make a big move on the market and they want to add Eric Paschall in their roster,[/URL] according to @SdnaGr sources. #paobc
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/ZakkasGeorge"]Twitter ZakkasGeorge[/URL]
Jake Fischer: [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/1gKJ8fUaiGRKqvX5rgitli"]A lot of teams have called on Jarred Vanderbilt.[/URL] I don’t know the number. I don’t really have any specific teams that I’ve heard of. But last I talked to Utah that he was the guy who’s getting the most calls, the most incoming calls of all the players.
– via [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/1gKJ8fUaiGRKqvX5rgitli"]Spotify[/URL]
[QUOTE] On Thursday, Patrick Kinahan on The Zone Sports Network, reported that a trade for Utah Jazz All-Star guard Donovan Mitchell has been “agreed upon.” [URL="https://www.si.com/fannation/nba/fastbreak/rumors/radio-host-says-donovan-mitchell-trade-will-be-announced-soon-utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-miami-heat-nba-rumors"]Kinahan: “I’ve been receiving texts as we speak that the Donovan Mitchell deal is done, it’s agreed upon. That they have to, that they’re working out some final details to have it be announced here shortly.”[/URL]
– via [URL="https://www.si.com/fannation/nba/fastbreak/rumors/radio-host-says-donovan-mitchell-trade-will-be-announced-soon-utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-miami-heat-nba-rumors"]Ben Stinar @ Sports Illustrated[/URL]
Kinahan appeared to walk back his bold report a tad during a later part of the segment. [URL="https://www.si.com/fannation/nba/fastbreak/rumors/radio-host-says-donovan-mitchell-trade-will-be-announced-soon-utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-miami-heat-nba-rumors"]Kinahan: “I’m just reporting some info, I’m not reporting it’s done, but it’s going to get done. That’s not breaking news, is it?”[/URL]
– via [URL="https://www.si.com/fannation/nba/fastbreak/rumors/radio-host-says-donovan-mitchell-trade-will-be-announced-soon-utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-miami-heat-nba-rumors"]Ben Stinar @ Sports Illustrated[/URL]
Andy Larsen: Transparency time, even if weak: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Multiple people have told me something like PK’s report today… sources with different connections. But rumors travel fast in this business. And other notable sources believe that everything is basically as it was 24 hrs ago[/URL]. So: I don’t know.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/andyblarsen"]Twitter andyblarsen[/URL]
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getting close!
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/21/23272674/tyler-herro-could-headline-a-donovan-mitchell-trade-is-he-worth-it-miami-heat-utah-jazz-trade[/url]
comparable to the guy that's about to bring in 4 or 5 firsts!
[url]https://saltcityhoops.com/bridging-the-gap-on-mitchells-value-using-star-trades/[/url]
[QUOTE]The apparent gap between the two parties really got me thinking: just what is the value of Donovan Mitchell?
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a lot less than what the Knicks think!
[QUOTE]If the Knicks use any players in this thread in an attempt to reduce the Jazz’s asking price, they will focus on Jrue Holiday (two unprotected picks, two pick swaps) and Dejounte Murray (two unprotected picks, one protected pick, one pick swap), but that probably won’t fly. Holiday was older than Mitchell, and neither player can equal Donovan’s three All-Star appearances. Today’s Mitchell is more valuable than 2020’s Holiday or today’s Murray.
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I'll take either of the two way players myself
[QUOTE]Rose, in particular, will be 34 years old when the season starts, and will likely have little interest in sticking around for a rebuild in Salt Lake. The Jazz could try to relocate him, but the list of veterans they are trying to accommodate is getting quite long. Because Rose only has one guaranteed year remaining on his contract, there’s a chance the Jazz would be able to buy his contract out at a slight discount for the second time, cementing the legacy of Jazz legend Derrick Rose.
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he should have value. An expiring contract
[QUOTE]Fournier is younger than Rose, but is owed nearly $37 million over two guaranteed years, making it harder to execute a buyout and even more painful to waive. Not only does he not fit the on-court timeline, but the extra contract year also impacts the cap sheet next offseason, something the Jazz probably want to avoid for several reasons. If the Jazz take Fournier in a trade with the Knicks, they will likely want to move his contract no later than the 2023 offseason.
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Danny won't be having much fun if any of this vets are on the roster after the trade deadline
[QUOTE]Neither Rose nor Fournier has anything to do with the value of Mitchell, but the inclusion of either player in a Mitchell swap might alter the required return in the deal. I guarantee that if New York traded these players into space to sign Mitchell as a free agent, they would pay a hefty fee for the salary dump. The Knicks know this well, having just sent out a variety of assets to clear $28 million in cap space to sign Brunson as a free agent.
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doubt it. They aren't Gay. They have value
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/22/new-york-twitter-gets-swept-away-donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors/[/url]
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[INDENT]Hearing from a source that the trade for Donovan Mitchell is finalizing
Obi + Grimes + Fournier and 5 first round picks.
— Jesse Thayne (@jthayne_91) [URL="https://twitter.com/jthayne_91/status/1550224812064120832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]July 21, 2022[/URL]
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how many unprotected?
[QUOTE][INDENT][URL="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Sources?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]#Sources[/URL] — Knicks & Jazz have made “significant progress” over the last 24 hours in Donovan Mitchell trade talks but nothing has been AGREED upon yet. Both sides expect to come to an agreement within next few days as Utah understands Knicks have best package(s) available. [URL="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NBA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]#NBA[/URL]
— NBATradeReport (@NBATradeReport) [URL="https://twitter.com/NBATradeReport/status/1550221636342800389?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]July 21, 2022[/URL]
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be done by the end our state holiday weekend! :cheers:
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/21/utah-jazz-the-5-greatest-individual-seasons-in-franchise-history/[/url]
[QUOTE][h=3]5. Carlos Boozer – 2008[/h][/QUOTE]
when he wasn't the best player on the team and his backup was the better player? :facepalm
[QUOTE]His best season in Utah came early in his run with the team, as the 1983 season saw him put up 31 PPG, along with 5 assists and 6 boards per game, and it’s just very unfortunate that this came at a time before John Stockton or Karl Malone joined this iconic franchise.
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probably the next year as he led them to 15 more wins the division title and the Jazz first playoff berth
[QUOTE][h=3]3. ‘Pistol’ Pete Maravich – 1977[/h][/QUOTE]
sub .500
No all NBA all Defense SPOTY allowed or what?
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/22/who-is-utahs-new-coach-will-hardy/[/url]
[QUOTE]While Mitchell’s future is still up in the air, it is seeming more and more likely by the day that the Jazz are asking for more than teams are willing to give up in a trade for Mitchell. If he does stay in Utah, Mitchell will continue to be the cornerstone of the organization and build upon an already strong relationship with Hardy.
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that is how you negotiate. Ask for more than you will get. Not the Kevin O'Conner 2nd offer on the table from the only team that knew Deron was available. Mitchell is gone. Move on
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/21/utah-jazz-doomsday-mock-trade-end-offseason/[/url]
no on Westbrook
[url]https://sircharlesincharge.com/2022/07/22/los-angeles-lakers-trade-targets-shooting/3/[/url]
[QUOTE]If the Lakers are willing to send the Jazz a first-round draft pick, there’s no question that he would be a fit for the team. The big question is, would the Lakers be open to moving the assets that it will take to land him?
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1st and 20 mill in salary
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/20/utah-jazz-will-danny-ainge-get-wish/[/url]
[QUOTE][h=1]Utah Jazz: Will Danny Ainge get his wish?[/h][/QUOTE]
No. If it was up to Danny he'd destroy the Knicks franchise. He'll have to settle for 4 or firsts
[QUOTE]According to NBA writer Marc Stein, Danny Ainge has been playing hard-ball in any trade conversations (rightfully so), and has asked for six, potentially seven first round draft picks in return for the young All-Star. Given Donovan’s lack of official comment or trade request, the Jazz have plenty of time to move him, and if the offer isn’t right, Ainge is likely going to stick to his guns and wait for the right offer. But that raises the question, is there any team that can provide what he is asking for?
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there is. He won't get what he's asking for but it will certainly be more than Mitchell is worth and the Knicks might not even make the play in
[url]https://valleyofthesuns.com/2022/07/21/trades-phoenix-suns-utah-jazz/2/[/url]
[QUOTE][INDENT] [CENTER]Phoenix Receive: Mike Conley
[/CENTER] [CENTER]Utah Receive: Dario Saric, Landry Shamet, Unprotected 2025 First-Round Pick
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would want to move Saric too
[QUOTE][INDENT] [CENTER]Phoenix Receive: Jordan Clarkson
[/CENTER] [CENTER]Utah Receive: Dario Saric, Torrey Craig, Top 10 Protected 2025 First-Round Pick
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Craig would have to be moved but better than having Clarkson!!!
[QUOTE][INDENT] [CENTER]Phoenix Receive: Bojan Bogdanovic
[/CENTER] [CENTER]Utah Receive: Jae Crowder, Dario Saric, Top 10 Protected 2025 First-Round Pick
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have to move Jae and Saric
[url]https://heavy.com/sports/new-york-knicks/donovan-mitchell-cam-thomas-trade/[/url]
[QUOTE][B]Los Angeles Lakers Receive:[/B] Kyrie Irving, Patrick Beverley* and Dario Saric
[B]Brooklyn Nets Receive:[/B] Mikal Bridges, Talen Horton-Tucker, Cameron Payne, a 2025 first-round pick from Phoenix, a 2027 first-round pick from Phoenix, a 2027 first-round pick from Los Angeles, a 2029 first-round pick from Phoenix and a 2029 first-round pick from New York
[B]Utah Jazz Receive: [/B]Russell Westbrook, Quentin Grimes, Cam Reddish, Evan Fournier, Jae Crowder, Landry Shamet, a 2023 first-round pick from New York, a 2023 first-round pick from Phoenix, a 2025 first-round pick from New York, a 2027 first-round pick from New York and a 2029 first-round pick from Los Angeles
[B]Phoenix Suns Receive:[/B] Kevin Durant and Bojan Bogdanovic
[B]New York Knicks Receive: [/B]Donovan Mitchell and Cam Thomas
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don't love getting Westbrook but 5 1sts including 3 from Knicks. If those are unprotected they couldn't complain. Westbrook sits until trade deadline or is bought out immediately. Can't imagine they want Reddish either unless they have a pretty good idea what an extension looks like with him. Get Grimes. Knicks keep Toppin and Barrett. Don't like helping Lakers but it won't matter when Lebron, Davis and Kyrie aren't playing again. I'd think you'd want Rose instead of Fournier but he probably has more value even with two years on his deal. Crowder expiring. Should be an asset. Shamet would be one of the young vets you keep to lead the tank! The Lakers pick could be a great one too. Not sure what kind of protection is on it? Bojan ends up on a true contender. Do Knicks even make play-in?
Michael Scotto: Karl-Anthony Towns on expectations for the Timberwolves this season: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]“It’s go time. The (Rudy Gobert) trade happens. There’s no more time. There are no more excuses. We’ve got to get it done now. It’s championship now or bust. Got to go out there and get the job done.”[/URL] pic.twitter.com/MRbuNoTG2U
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto"]Twitter MikeAScotto[/URL]
Dane Moore: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Karl-Anthony Towns on what he expects playing with Rudy Gobert: “His strengths are my weaknesses and his weaknesses are my strengths.”[/URL] pic.twitter.com/aCasFwClLk
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/DaneMooreNBA"]Twitter DaneMooreNBA[/URL]
Dane Moore: Karl-Anthony Towns on potentially spending his entire career in Minnesota: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]“My dream was always to try to retire here and live every single day of my NBA career as a Wolf. Deeper into my career, new contract, I feel very good with the possibility of that happening.”[/URL]
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/DaneMooreNBA"]Twitter DaneMooreNBA[/URL]
[QUOTE] [URL="https://twitter.com/DaneMooreNBA"]Dane Moore[/URL] [URL="https://twitter.com/DaneMooreNBA"]@DaneMooreNBA[/URL]
[URL="https://twitter.com/DaneMooreNBA/status/1550564416256675840"]about 14 minutes ago[/URL]
KAT talked about running 4-5 pick and roll with Rudy Gobert at his press conference today. Out of curiosity, I looked up how many PnRs KAT ran as the ball-handler this season (it was 40). Here are some clips of what that looked like, starting with an actual 4-5 PnR with Naz Reid [URL="https://t.co/Jq6tq3YRlO"]pic.twitter.com/Jq6tq3YRlO[/URL]
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already envisioned that but the Ant/Gobert is what could really make the team special and what they needed from Mitchell with the best pick and roll partner in the league
[QUOTE] [URL="http://twitter.com/MayorFrey/status/1550554445536268288"]Mayor Jacob Frey: I’ve proclaimed today @KarlTowns Day in the City of MPLS![/URL] We’re so lucky to have KAT’s commitment to our city and community — and that’s solidified through his recent @Timberwolves contract extension. Congrats, KAT!
[HR][/HR] [INDENT] I've proclaimed today [URL="https://twitter.com/KarlTowns?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]@KarlTowns[/URL] Day in the City of MPLS! We're so lucky to have KAT's commitment to our city and community — and that's solidified through his recent [URL="https://twitter.com/Timberwolves?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]@Timberwolves[/URL] contract extension. Congrats, KAT! [URL="https://t.co/1aI1hBGLua"]pic.twitter.com/1aI1hBGLua[/URL]
— Mayor Jacob Frey (@MayorFrey) [URL="https://twitter.com/MayorFrey/status/1550554445536268288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]July 22, 2022[/URL][/INDENT]
– via [URL="http://twitter.com/MayorFrey/status/1550554445536268288"]Twitter[/URL]
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a day for your 3rd best player!
The Utah Jazz forward [URL="https://basketnews.com/news-175556-eric-paschall-on-rumors-going-to-panathinaikos-false-news.html"]Eric Paschall was linked with Panathinaikos OPAP Athens in recent reports by Greek media outlets. However, the player himself denied his possible move to Europe[/URL] with the following tweet: “False News.” Paschall added that he “never agreed to anything.”
– via [URL="https://basketnews.com/news-175556-eric-paschall-on-rumors-going-to-panathinaikos-false-news.html"]BasketNews[/URL]
His star teammate [URL="https://basketnews.com/news-175556-eric-paschall-on-rumors-going-to-panathinaikos-false-news.html"]Donovan Mitchell joined Paschall on Twitter, writing, “They have been doing that a lot recently.”[/URL]
– via [URL="https://basketnews.com/news-175556-eric-paschall-on-rumors-going-to-panathinaikos-false-news.html"]BasketNews[/URL]
[QUOTE] NBA on ESPN: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Karl-Anthony Towns thought that the Timberwolves had traded for Rudy Gay[/URL]
[HR][/HR] [URL]https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1550574515788414976[/URL]
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA"]Twitter ESPNNBA[/URL]
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could have made some sense :lol
[url]https://kslsports.com/489909/clarkson-asks-question-to-mitchell-on-twitter-team-store-hints-at-future/[/url]
[QUOTE]KSL Sports’ Sam Farnsworth was at Vivint Arena to check out some of the Jazz gear and noticed they had a clearance rack for “former players.” The jerseys hanging on that rack are Mitchell’s No. 45. It would make sense of Mitchell’s jerseys to be on the clearance rack since the Jazz unveiled new uniforms before Salt Lake City Summer League. But the rack says “former players.” That raises even more questions on whether Mitchell will remain with the Jazz or not.
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can't wait! :lol
[url]https://kslsports.com/489857/donovan-mitchell-knicks-jazz-trade/[/url]
[QUOTE]Saying that Ainge was able to get a lot for trading Rudy Gobert to the Minnesota Timberwolves is an understatement. The [URL="https://kslsports.com/489223/jazz-officially-trade-gobert-to-timberwolves/"]Jazz ended up landing[/URL] Malik Beasley, Patrick Beverley, Jarred Vanderbilt, Leandro Balmaro, and rookie Walker Kessler, plus they are getting unprotected first-round picks in 2023, 2025, and 2027. Then a 2029 first-round pick that is top-five protected and swapping the 2026 first-round draft picks.
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and they probably will still lose the trade and that is no understatement just the odds
[QUOTE]So, it makes a lot of sense for the Jazz to want an even bigger haul for Mitchell. The Knicks are desperate but they have not given into the Jazz demands which with the latest reports say they want the Knicks to send over [URL="https://*********.com/rumor/1734173/"]seven first-round draft picks[/URL].
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it makes no sense for anyone to pay more for a lesser player no matter the age. But that's why we love James ****in Dolan!
[QUOTE]“Over the weekend the story came out, and someone joked they even want the Statue of Liberty in this thing,” [URL="https://www.audacy.com/wfan/sports/knicks/boomer-ainge-being-a-douche-to-knicks-donovan-mitchell"]Esiason said on WFAN[/URL], “and this is why I was saying last week that the Knicks shouldn’t panic. While I want to see it done, you have to be realistic about it – and Danny Ainge right now is just being a d*****.”
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sounds like Danny might finally be having some fun?
[QUOTE]Hearing Esiason go nuts over the Jazz wanting to better their team is quite hilarious because any team in a position of power would want to get as much as possible, and if it were reversed, the Knicks would be doing the exact same thing. It could be that New York is slowly starting to get things turned around by signing Jalen Brunson to a massive deal worth $104 million, plus they have Barrett who they want to keep on their roster and not give up in a potential Mitchell deal. The Knicks have a lot of draft capital but they might give up the majority of that for Mitchell.
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turn what around? This will destroy their franchise for a half a decade at least! :cheers:
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/22/23271906/who-are-the-best-2023-nba-draft-prospects-not-named-victor-wembanyama-utah-jazz-scoot-henderson[/url]
[QUOTE]If there is a prospect who can threaten Wembanyama’s hold on the No. 1 spot, it is Henderson.
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the problem with the French kid is no one his size has ever stayed healthy!
Danny is only aiming for a few of these guys!
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/23/utah-jazz-predicting-what-a-rebuild-would-look-like/[/url]
[QUOTE]With Gobert traded for four first-round picks, and Donovan Mitchell on the block for even more, the Utah Jazz will be set up well for a full-on rebuild. Luckily, it should be quick, if done right. Unfortunately, all rebuilds, no matter how fast, have their painful moments.
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what is quick half a dozen seasons? He isn't going after picks because he's in a hurry. We've seen Ainge won't skip steps as they love to say in the business. People thought he should have moved faster with the Celtics but he was right. Look at them now
[QUOTE]The Process, by all definitions, should be [URL="https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/dan-wolken/2021/06/20/sixers-process-draft-joel-embiid-ben-simmons-failure/7767057002/"]considered a total failure[/URL]. The Sixers wasted four seasons losing on purpose and did a horrible job with their high draft picks. Yes, they rolled the dice on Joel Embiid, but other than that every single pick blew up in their faces. For starters, they drafted Jahil Okafor and traded Jrue Holiday for Nerleans Noel. That’s three centers taken in the lottery in a row. Most teams only play one center at a time, so why you wouldn’t draft for fit at all is behind me.
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BBA
[QUOTE]Second, the Sixers took Micheal Carter-Williams Markelle Fultz, and Ben Simmons. Two of those guys won Rookie of the Year, but none of them can shoot from anywhere, making them nearly obsolete in today’s NBA.
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Simmons is nearly obsolete because he hasn't played for a year Otherwise he's hardly obsolete as an all star. Carter Williams is around too isn't he? Fultz a starter
[QUOTE]On the opposite end are the Boston Celtics. Their rebuild was [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2019/6/19/18684460/celtics-rebuild-collapse-kyrie-horford-hayward-tatum"]far from perfect[/URL] after trading Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce. They experienced bad luck with Gordan Hayward, traded for Kyrie Irving, and until recently fizzled out in the playoffs. That being said, they traded the first overall pick in 2017, allowing Philly to take Fultz while the Celtics got Jayson Tatum. They also played it safe and got a good all-around player in Jaylen Brown, then spent a lot of time developing his shot.
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played it safe by drafting an all star! :facepalm
[QUOTE]The Jazz could go all in on the tank for one season. If they trade Clarkson, Bogdanocivh, Conley, Beasley, and Beverly the Jazz could bring that 17 pick total up to 22 at most, giving them an average of three and a half first-rounders every year. In a loaded upcoming draft, they could package those picks to move up or hope their guy falls to them at any point down the line.
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you forgot what they will have to give up to get rid of Gay
[QUOTE]Most rebuilds are painful episodes that take several years, but if the Jazz go all-in for just one season, then by 2023-24 fans will have several reasons to be excited about the future. The team won’t be competing by then, but the framework and vision will be in place and clear. As the Suns, Warriors, Clippers, and Lakers start to fade, the Mavericks, Pelicans, and Grizzlies will emerge as contenders, and the Utah Jazz could be right in the thick of it.
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probably be worse after they draft a bunch of 19 year olds than they will be this year
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/22/utah-jazz-power-forward-drawing-interest-several-teams/[/url]
[QUOTE]If Danny Ainge does indeed embrace the rebuild like many expect, then it’s likely that every player received in the Rudy Gobert trade, except for 2022 first round pick Walker Kessler are going to be traded away, and while they may not net a huge draft haul, at this point, any future draft capital helps Ainge and the Jazz. It’s tough to predict which teams are interested in Vanderbilt, as he could fit as a backup forward on almost any playoff team in the league, and he will give them valuable playing time, but at this point, any draft capital and shed salary will help Ainge going forward.[/QUOTE]
Kessler is as available as anyone I imagine. An unprotected first should do it!
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/23/does-mike-conley-have-a-future-with-the-utah-jazz/[/url]
[QUOTE]I expect Miami to be willing to give up Duncan Robinson after his lack of minutes down the stretch in last year’s NBA Playoffs. His cap hit of about $17 million in 2022 helps balance the salaries well, but the Jazz would need another player to make the trade go through. Ömer Yurtseven and Haywood Highsmith are players the Heat could give up to make this trade balanced per the NBA salary cap rules. Whether or not the Heat will also throw in a first-round pick is up in the air, but Heat President, Pat Riley, might do it if he thinks this deal will help the Heat win their first title since 2013.[/QUOTE]
Ainge would rather have 1 plus years of Conley than 4 of Robinson!
[QUOTE]Phoenix would be a great landing spot for Conley to back up Chris Paul. Phoenix’s package is headlined by Landry Shamet and Dario Saric, who are the keys to making this deal work by balancing salary cap problems. Shamet, Saric, and a first-round pick for Conley is a deal that would be put through per salary cap rules and is a real possibility. In this mock trade, I included Cameron Payne and Jarred Vanderbilt for two reasons. Firstly, Conley will take a lot of the backup point guard minutes that Payne is used to seeing, and secondly, Vanderbilt is an upgrade over Saric and possibly enough for the Jazz to receive a first-round pick from the Suns in return. In my eyes, this is a deal that would elevate the Suns in the Western Conference and one that I believe that they should accept.
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this one makes more sense. Send Payne and Saric elsewhere
[QUOTE]After losing starting guard Jalen Brunson in free agency, the Mavericks should be looking for a player like Conley to add to their roster for next season. Conley could slide into the starting lineup in place of Brunson, but the Mavericks also might be looking to give the younger Spencer Dinwiddie more minutes and bring Conley off the bench. Either way, Conley is a good fit in Dallas and can elevate the Mavericks team looking to build on their trip to the Western Conference Finals this past season. A package of Davis Bertans, Frank Ntilikina, and a first-round pick is likely enough to get Danny Ainge to pull the trigger and send Conley to Dallas. Bertans is a necessary piece in any trade negotiations between Dallas and Utah for Conley to help level the salary caps, and between Josh Green and Ntilikina, I think the Mavericks are more willing to give up on the latter.
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Bertans contract isn't wanted is it?
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/22/reacting-utah-jazz-bleacher-report-mock-trade/[/url]
[QUOTE]If the Jazz can buyout Westbrook and get away from Conley’s deal, they will have plenty of money to spend, as well as an extra 10+ picks, and some young players, highlighted by Horton-Tucker, who has been touted by Lakers fans as a future star in the NBA for the past 2-3 years now. Los Angeles has certainly been hesitant to deal THT in previous deals, but the team can’t go into 2022/23 with Russell Westbrook as their starting point guard, so in order to help their starting lineup, they’ll need to include him in a deal.
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Westbrook isn't giving up much in a buyout
[URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/23/23272048/how-donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-leak-utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-danny-ainge"]I thought that this might be a good time to be specific about how NBA information is disseminated. In particular, I want to talk about how information leaked about the possible upcoming trade of Donovan Mitchell points to an almost inevitable conclusion[/URL]. First of all, information about a trade of this magnitude usually only gets out because the parties involved want the information to get out. The motivations behind leaking something to the media can vary depending on the source — an agent might want to drive up value, an executive might want to gain the upper hand, another executive might want to create a bidding war, a player might want to increase the odds of a deal getting done, someone from within an organization could be looking at a power grab, etc.
– via [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/23/23272048/how-donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-leak-utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-danny-ainge"]Sarah Todd @ deseret.com[/URL]
[URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/23/23272048/how-donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-leak-utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-danny-ainge"]Additionally, a trade rumor like the one involving Mitchell does not get leaked without the intention of a deal getting done. The Utah Jazz did a very good job of hedging on their plans early in the offseason.[/URL] They didn’t come right out and say that they wouldn’t be trading Mitchell and they also didn’t get near saying they would.
– via [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/23/23272048/how-donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-leak-utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-danny-ainge"]Sarah Todd @ deseret.com[/URL]
[URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/23/23272048/how-donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-leak-utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-danny-ainge"]Through the early weeks of the offseason, executives within the Jazz could have very easily told reporters what their long-term plans were, but they didn’t. They were tight-lipped right up to a point. Then, once a couple of reporters had been tipped off that trade talks were underway, you might have noticed that more and more reporters confirmed and added to the original story[/URL]. That’s all very normal. After the initial shockwave of news being broken, if sources close to a situation want to keep a message consistent, they will take calls from multiple reporters and reiterate the same kind of details to multiple people. It’s very intentional.
– via [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/23/23272048/how-donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-leak-utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-danny-ainge"]Sarah Todd @ deseret.com[/URL]
I'm thinking they'll use the stretch provision for Gay is they can't deal him. No need to worry about throwing money away for a few years at least
But times change and the Jazz, after a run of seasons — including all five of Mitchell’s years in Utah — are breaking up the band and seem set on a restart, already dealing away Rudy Gobert. [URL="https://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/steve-popper/nba-mkj4zm19"]And every source indicates that the Knicks are the most likely landing spot if the Jazz move Donovan Mitchell, something that admittedly are open to now[/URL].
– via [URL="https://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/steve-popper/nba-mkj4zm19"]Steve Popper @ Newsday[/URL]
[URL="https://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/steve-popper/nba-mkj4zm19"]Rumors flew this week that a deal was done but multiple league sources squashed that notion, saying no deal was imminent.[/URL] But they have spoken and the Knicks turned down the first ask from Utah. Will they engage again? Likely. Who will blink is the question.
– via [URL="https://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/steve-popper/nba-mkj4zm19"]Steve Popper @ Newsday[/URL]
Chris Fedor: [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/1usPEofz8jc3484cPFhBb0"]The Cavs have made what I’m told is a multi-year contract offer to Collin Sexton,[/URL] one that they feel is reasonable based on the fact that he has no market and he has no other offers.
– via [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/1usPEofz8jc3484cPFhBb0"]Spotify[/URL]
Chris Fedor: [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/1usPEofz8jc3484cPFhBb0"]I’m told that it is close to $40 million in total money. So think of like a three-year, $40 million deal[/URL].
– via [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/1usPEofz8jc3484cPFhBb0"]Spotify[/URL]
Chris Fedor: [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/1usPEofz8jc3484cPFhBb0"]It’s way less than what Collin initially wanted.[/URL] I don’t know that it’s the kind of deal that that Collin and his camp would be willing to take.
– via [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/1usPEofz8jc3484cPFhBb0"]Spotify[/URL]
Chris Fedor: So they’re sitting here saying, hey, look, we’ve given you what we consider a reasonable multi-year offer. [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/1usPEofz8jc3484cPFhBb0"]If you’re interested in it, it’s yours. If you’re not interested in it, then go find one that’s better[/URL].
– via [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/1usPEofz8jc3484cPFhBb0"]Spotify[/URL]
The Greek basketball world was shaken when SDNA.gr announced yesterday about Panathinaikos OPAP Athens being interested to sing NBA forward Eric Paschall. However, [URL="https://basketnews.com/news-175567-panathinaikos-reportedly-back-off-of-pursuing-eric-paschall.html"]Greek website sport24 and its journalist Alexandros Trigas report that the player has found an offer from an NBA team and will stay in the top basketball league next season.[/URL] SDNA.gr later confirmed the information.
– via [URL="https://basketnews.com/news-175567-panathinaikos-reportedly-back-off-of-pursuing-eric-paschall.html"]BasketNews[/URL]
Bam Adebayo might prove able to push past last season’s disappointment of losing Game 7 of the Eastern Conference finals to the Celtics, but he apparently is not letting go of being beaten out for NBA Defensive Player of the Year the last two seasons by Marcus Smart and Rudy Gobert. [URL="https://clearthis.page/?u=https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-sp-miami-heat-ira-nba-column-20220723-hwn36rw32fhqhbw4bjjgx66h3a-story.html"]“I should have won it the last two years,” Adebayo told the assembled campers[/URL] at the Heat’s youth clinic, when asked about his ongoing goals, “and I will win it this year.” Caesar’s Sports Book has Adebayo as the second choice, at +700, to win 2023 NBA Defensive Player of the Year, behind only Gobert (+550), well ahead of Smart (+1000).
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[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/23/23272048/how-donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-leak-utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-danny-ainge[/url]
[QUOTE]First of all, information about a trade of this magnitude usually only gets out because the parties involved want the information to get out. The motivations behind leaking something to the media can vary depending on the source — an agent might want to drive up value, an executive might want to gain the upper hand, another executive might want to create a bidding war, a player might want to increase the odds of a deal getting done, someone from within an organization could be looking at a power grab, etc.
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Ainge. Jazz usually haven't had rumors
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/24/pete-maravich-john-stockton-best-guard-utah-jazz-history/[/url]
at least you didn't try to put Mitchell in there :facepalm
[QUOTE]It’s hard to take any other stance: Karl Malone is the best Jazzman in history. [URL="https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stockjo01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-"]John Stockton[/URL] and [URL="https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/maravpe01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-"]Pete Maravich[/URL] were both amazing in their own right, but Malone clearly takes the cake. With that being said, how much of a gap is there really between Stockon and Pistol Pete?
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I always had Stockton if I'd had to choose
[URL]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/23/heat-twitter-insane-take-donovan-mitchell/[/URL]
[QUOTE]Sure, Oladipo has one All-NBA nod and been named to an All-Defensive team, but that’s pretty much it. To suggest a fringe All-Star who has battled injuries and poor shooting is better than a generational scorer is pure insanity.
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and it's more than Mitchell will ever have. Herro is the guy you should be comparing Mitchell with
[QUOTE]If the take was just “Oladipo is/was a better defender” I’d be with you 100%. But in today’s NBA scoring unfortunately means more than good defense. James Harden ought to prove that. To suggest that an ascending star who is already a top 15 player is better than someone who barely got there at his peak is ludicrous. Heat fans, what are you doing?
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and that is why Ainge has to break up the team because Mitchell and too many of his teammates think like you
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/24/3-things-the-utah-jazz-can-do-with-all-their-draft-capital/[/url]
[QUOTE]OG Anunoby and DeAndre Ayton are two young players who match that description and could be available. The Jazz don’t yet have the draft capital or cap space to trade for either, but they may soon have both. If and when that happens, the Jazz could try and bowl Toronto or Phoenix over with picks and financial savings to land a young franchise cornerstone.
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those guys don't make sense anymore.
[QUOTE]Even if the Jazz don’t find that player, they could still add two promising young prospects to the team each year. That would allow the team to slowly get better and, once they have a player worth building around, get the Jazz back to the playoffs quicker.
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good luck with that. Those players don't come along very often
[QUOTE] [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/24/23272050/utah-jazz-could-be-trading-more-than-just-donovan-mitchell-bojan-bogdanovic-mike-conley-clarkson"]If Mitchell is traded, it immediately would signal an official fire sale from the Utah Jazz and all of the players[/URL] not named Mitchell become available. There are definitely players that are currently on the Jazz’s roster that could make a big difference for some of the other contenders around the league.
– via [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/24/23272050/utah-jazz-could-be-trading-more-than-just-donovan-mitchell-bojan-bogdanovic-mike-conley-clarkson"]Sarah Todd @ deseret.com[/URL]
There’s obviously no guarantee that the Jazz would be able to trade all of these players, and there are still more players on the roster not mentioned here that will also be on the chopping block, but [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/24/23272050/utah-jazz-could-be-trading-more-than-just-donovan-mitchell-bojan-bogdanovic-mike-conley-clarkson"]make no mistake that all are available and the Jazz will be ready to hear all offers[/URL].
– via [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/24/23272050/utah-jazz-could-be-trading-more-than-just-donovan-mitchell-bojan-bogdanovic-mike-conley-clarkson"]Sarah Todd @ deseret.com[/URL]
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should be able to dump everyone but Gay. Stretch provision for him