MJ's 1988 DPOY is now being "Questioned". HOME vs ROAD Steals has twice as much Gap

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;14925116]It's strange you didn't compare Akeem instead , we all know the reason(s) and why you cite team def rating and oppg when a guard has a miniscule impact on those metrics vs. the individual defensive metrics? Oh, because MJ's are fake![/QUOTE]

eff off porki

1988 Eaton is DPOY Runner- up in voting. screw Akeem.

I give you 3000 200 100 you still run off sucking some shyte coop bench warmer prick sayin' that win is legit.

I give you 250+ and 125+, you still run off sucking LBJs microscopic PEDs shrunk prick.

I owned your rear end in 2013 Gasol vs 2013 LBJ comparison. 2013 LBJ aint capable being steals champ or be in atleast Top 10 Steals. Even 2013 iggy beat him to that 10th spot.

You keep sayin' your boy is MJ and LBJ both. You just a fake, cheap cvnt who deep down despise NBA today sucks and cant accept the fact.

So, now there is a "reaction formation' in your mind which is actually a psych issue. All this "we done with 90s, we done with 80s" crap pops-up.

MELTdown ^^^^^

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14925124]MELTdown ^^^^^[/QUOTE]

Hiroshima, defcon 1:oldlol:

[QUOTE=gengiskhan;14925119]eff off porki

1988 Eaton is DPOY Runner- up in voting. screw Akeem.

I give you 3000 200 100 you still run off sucking some shyte coop bench warmer prick sayin' that win is legit.

I give you 250+ and 125+, you still run off sucking LBJs microscopic PEDs shrunk prick.

I owned your rear end in 2013 Gasol vs 2013 LBJ comparison. 2013 LBJ aint capable being steals champ or be in atleast Top 10 Steals. Even 2013 iggy beat him to that 10th spot.

You keep sayin' your boy is MJ and LBJ both. You just a fake, cheap cvnt who deep down despise NBA today sucks and cant accept the fact.

So, now there is a "reaction formation' in your mind which is actually a psych issue. All this "we done with 90s, we done with 80s" crap pops-up.[/QUOTE]

Magic was a 2 time steals champ. Curry won a steals title. Iverson won 3, great defensive company lol. You're destroying your own argument with every post.

Is it really that hard to believe one can be a fan of both guys? That's insane. The main reason I defend Lebron here is because they have never been judged using the same standards, it's long term bs and also the reason they've been giving Mj so much grief, you guys have been begging for it. Any how back to Akeem, put some respect on the dreams name sucka:

[QUOTE=me, a month ago]
[B]1988[/B](the year he actually won)

[B]Defensive RPG[/B]
Olajuwon 4th
Eaton 17th
Jordan not top 20

[B]Steals per game[/B]
Jordan 1st
Olajuwon 9th
Eaton not top 20

[B]Blocks per game[/B]
Eaton 1st
Olajuwon 4th
Jordan 16th

[B]Defensive win shares[/B]
Olajuwon1st
Jordan 3rd
Eaton 4th

[B]Defensive BPM[/B]
Jordan 1st
Olajuwon 7th
Eaton 9th

[B]Defensive rating[/B]
Olajuwon 1st
Eaton 2nd
Jordan 6th
[/QUOTE]

And this is with lord knows how many bogus steals and blocks skewing the numbers for Mj.

Oh and I have no idea wtf that rambling shit at the end of your post was but I'm sure they got pills for that.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;14925130]Magic was a 2 time steals champ. Curry won a steals title. Iverson won 3, great defensive company lol. You're destroying your own argument with every post.

Is it really that hard to believe one can be a fan of both guys? That's insane. The main reason I defend Lebron here is because they have never been judged using the same standards, it's long term bs and also the reason they've been giving Mj so much grief, you guys have been begging for it. Any how back to Akeem, put some respect on the dreams name sucka:



And this is with lord knows how many bogus steals and blocks skewing the numbers for Mj.

Oh and I have no idea wtf that rambling shit at the end of your post was but I'm sure they got pills for that.[/QUOTE]

You retarded fk!

go watch MJs 1983, 1984 NCAA games how great of a Defensive Player he was.

MJ literally won NCAA games on Defense alone. He was an "elite" defender from the get go!.

3 Steals Title is just an after thought for MJ. Even You know 9 all D 1st team that should've been more. I dont even bother mentioning.

You may not like his style of gambling, risk taking defense. thats fine. But there are time, coaches (Dean, Phil) asked him to literaly "shutdown" quick guard. He did that. doesn't show up in stats. Go watch MJs defense on Zeke. Dumars at time. When Pip sucked.

btw, Morons like you dont have an Eye test. Do you know what kind of energy is required to lead NBA in steals after leading NBA in points and also be the best Short Blocking Guard in NBA History. And still score 35 ppg, 37 ppg, 32.5ppg at 53%FG. chucking shots like AI at 40%FG is easy.

MJ's defense is beyond stats kid. Top 3 Perimeter defenders ever in NBA history. And top 5 Defensive player in NBA history.

nothing changing that. Reason, he wins games on his own literally. It is not all offense. 40% is MJ defense. I mean from his rookie year itself.

No guard is even close. none.

My god your posting style is shit. Learn how to form a paragraph. :facepalm

[QUOTE=SATAN;14925160]My god your posting style is shit. Learn how to form a paragraph. :facepalm[/QUOTE]


I find it quite effective actually.. gets the point across right away without a lot of fluff

Again, everyone in history has one-offs of massive home inflation, while the normal inflation that occurs in every other year of a player's career has been decreasing over time as road records/conditions improved.

I don't know why Lebron's rookie blocks were inflated 120% and 73% as a sophomore - but every player has one-offs of massive inflation like this that could be due to personal issues that affect home/road performance... Otherwise, the normal home inflation that everyone experiences has been decreasing over time as road records/conditions improved.

[QUOTE=gengiskhan;14925157]You retarded fk!

go watch MJs 1983, 1984 NCAA games how great of a Defensive Player he was.

MJ literally won NCAA games on Defense alone. He was an "elite" defender from the get go!.

3 Steals Title is just an after thought for MJ. Even You know 9 all D 1st team that should've been more. I dont even bother mentioning.

You may not like his style of gambling, risk taking defense. thats fine. But there are time, coaches (Dean, Phil) asked him to literaly "shutdown" quick guard. He did that. doesn't show up in stats. Go watch MJs defense on Zeke. Dumars at time. When Pip sucked.

btw, Morons like you dont have an Eye test. Do you know what kind of energy is required to lead NBA in steals after leading NBA in points and also be the best Short Blocking Guard in NBA History. And still score 35 ppg, 37 ppg, 32.5ppg at 53%FG. chucking shots like AI at 40%FG is easy.

MJ's defense is beyond stats kid. Top 3 Perimeter defenders ever in NBA history. And top 5 Defensive player in NBA history.

nothing changing that. Reason, he wins games on his own literally. It is not all offense. 40% is MJ defense. I mean from his rookie year itself.

No guard is even close. none.[/QUOTE]

None of that has anything to do with his case over Akeem in 88. Nice try though. Here's the issue, everyone thinks Mj is a great defender, however we see evidence that some of his numbers maybe be overstated. Both things can be true ya know. I'm not certain your ****-eyed test is one I'd trust anyway.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14925162]I find it quite effective actually.. gets the point across right away without a lot of fluff

Again, everyone in history has one-offs of massive home inflation, while the normal inflation that occurs in every other year of a player's career has been decreasing over time as road records/conditions improved.

I don't know why Lebron's rookie blocks were inflated 120% and 73% as a sophomore - but every player has one-offs of massive inflation like this that could be due to personal issues that affect home/road performance... Otherwise, the normal home inflation that everyone experiences has been decreasing over time as road records/conditions improved.[/QUOTE]

You're still in timeout until you can explain to.me how a 24 second violation results in a Jordan steal in the box score.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;14925164]You're still in timeout until you can explain to.me how a 24 second violation results in a Jordan steal in the box score.[/QUOTE]


You're down to 1 play now? i rest my case..

[QUOTE=3ba11;14925166]You're down to 1 play now? i rest my case..[/QUOTE]

Nah but you can't answer that one, so why even add to it? And you should rest your case you've been made a fool here.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;14925194]Nah but you can't answer that one, so why even add to it? And you should rest your case you've been made a fool here.[/QUOTE]


Haberstroh was debunked thoroughly and it's just amazing that FS1 ran with it and now not a peep because the point was to just get it on Google searches

no one cares or ever respected Haberstho's review of the plays because it's impossible to know which plays without play-by-play data and these are subjective stats that can't be overruled by a 2nd subjective review.. even Haberstroh himself didn't respect his own review or he would've chosen games we could verify and done more than a "night-before-class" sample size ... They just wanted to get the Google searches saying it was a fraudulent dpoy.. now not a peep.. like it never happened

But the reality is that everyone has normal home inflation, which has been decreasing over time as road records and conditions improved... The one-offs of massive inflation that everyone has like rookie Lebron or 22' AD.or 88' MJ could be due to any number of factors, such as personal issues affecting home/road performance for that particular year... [I] the point is that there are much better reasons than league -wide cheating by scorekeepers to explain normal home inflation and the one-offs of massive inflation [/I]

[QUOTE=3ba11;14925197]

Everyone's stats show normal home inflation, which has been decreasing over time as road records and conditions improved... In addition to this normal inflation, there are one-offs of massive home inflation that everyone has like 120% inflation of Lebron's blocks as a rookie, or 50-80% inflation of stocks for 22' AD, 88' Jordan, 90' Hakeem, or 23' Jackson Jr - these one-offs could be due to any number of factors including personal issues affecting home/road performance for that particular year... So the point is that there are much better reasons than league-wide cheating by scorekeepers to explain normal home inflation and the one-offs of massive inflation, smh

[/QUOTE]


^^^ mods lock it up.. it's done

[QUOTE=3ba11;14925197]Haberstroh was debunked thoroughly[/QUOTE]

You know they pretend not to see that. Uncut Hoops cut up his assumptions, ripped open his bias and exposed his lack of integrity. Haberstroh was exposed as a hoping, wishing, please give us something against MJ even if I need to go back 40 years Nick Wright type fanboy.

I'm waiting to see this "debunking". Maybe you guys got debunking confused with saying "everybody did it" and " I don't believe his research,but I won't do my own" all anybody has done so far is disagree without their own facts or research and try to redirect the attention elsewhere. Beat the data, that's how you debunk something. You sure you guys grew up in the 90s?

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;14925227]I'm waiting to see this "debunking". Maybe you guys got debunking confused with saying[B] "everybody did it" and " I don't believe his research,but I won't do my own" [/B]all anybody has done so far is disagree without their own facts or research and try to redirect the attention elsewhere. Beat the data, that's how you debunk something. You sure you guys grew up in the 90s?[/QUOTE]

:roll:

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14925274]:roll:[/QUOTE]

As a matter of fact the only reason this thread is still going is because they can't explain how dead ball turnovers became Jordan steals and how [I][B]that[/B][/I] is ok.

At some point some brave soul is going to verify the whole season and readjust the advanced stats. That's gonna hurt worse.

As far as I'm concerned this means we should be questioning Jordan's other stats that year too, particularly assists.

[QUOTE=eliteballer;14926864]As far as I'm concerned this means we should be questioning Jordan's other stats that year too, particularly assists.[/QUOTE]
Congrats bro. Kobe is officially the best SG ever now that we know MJ was a complete fraud.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14926865]Congrats bro. Kobe is officially the best SG ever now that we know MJ was a complete fraud.[/QUOTE]

How can you have a rapist as best SG ever.

Didn't he pay the ultimate price as Karma eventually caught up and him and his beloved daughter, a sure shot WNBA all Time Great, as both crashed and burned to ashes for ruining some girl's life in Colorado hotel room.

If MJ did anything remotely close to this, will your kind ever forgive him?

[QUOTE=eliteballer;14926864]As far as I'm concerned this means we should be questioning Jordan's other stats that year too, particularly assists.[/QUOTE]

Don't you dare touch his triple double streak:no:

[QUOTE=eliteballer;14926864]As far as I'm concerned this means we should be questioning Jordan's other stats that year too, particularly assists.[/QUOTE]


In 1988, only 2 teams had positive road records compared to half the league today (15 teams).. So normal levels of home inflation are standard and have been decreasing over time as road records and conditions improved... The one-offs of massive inflation that everyone has like rookie Lebron, 90' Hakeem, 22' AD, 88' Jordan or 23 Jaren Jackson Jr. could be due to any number of factors, such as personal issues affecting home/road performance for that particular year... [I]the point is that there are much better reasons than league-wide cheating by scorekeepers to explain normal home inflation and the one-offs of massive inflation[/I]

And btw, no one cares or ever respected Haberstho's review of the plays because it's impossible to know WHICH plays without play-by-play data and these are subjective stats that can't be overruled by a 2nd subjective review.. even Haberstroh himself didn't respect his own review or he would've chosen games we could verify and done more than a "night-before-class" sample size ... They just wanted to get the Google searches saying it was a fraudulent dpoy.. mission accomplished and now we don't hear anything - not a peep... but in 10 years and probably a lot sooner, they will be gone and not findable by a standard google search.

Uncut Hoops also invalidated Haberstroh's 6-game sample by doing a 7-game sample in 97' where we actually have the play-by-play data and therefore know which plays were credited as Jordan steals.. He found that 19 of the 20 steals in the 7-game sample were accurate and he provided the sourcing for the game footage and the plays were verified by play-by-play data.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14926895]In 1988, only 2 teams had positive road records compared to half the league today (15 teams).. So normal levels of home inflation are standard and have been decreasing over time as road records and conditions improved... The one-offs of massive inflation that everyone has like rookie Lebron, 90' Hakeem, 22' AD, 88' Jordan or 23 Jaren Jackson Jr. could be due to any number of factors, such as personal issues affecting home/road performance for that particular year... [I]the point is that there are much better reasons than league-wide cheating by scorekeepers to explain normal home inflation and the one-offs of massive inflation[/I]

And btw, no one cares or ever respected Haberstho's review of the plays because it's impossible to know WHICH plays without play-by-play data and these are subjective stats that can't be overruled by a 2nd subjective review.. even Haberstroh himself didn't respect his own review or he would've chosen games we could verify and done more than a "night-before-class" sample size ... They just wanted to get the Google searches saying it was a fraudulent dpoy.. mission accomplished and now we don't hear anything - not a peep... but in 10 years and probably a lot sooner, they will be gone and not findable by a standard google search.

Uncut Hoops also invalidated Haberstroh's 6-game sample by doing a 7-game sample in 97' where we actually have the play-by-play data and therefore know which plays were credited as Jordan steals.. He found that 19 of the 20 steals in the 7-game sample were accurate and he provided the sourcing for the game footage and the plays were verified by play-by-play data.[/QUOTE]

Hey just checking in to see if you've ever found the explanation for how the dead ball turnovers ended up being Mj steals? If not stfu.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;14927031]Hey just checking in to see if you've ever found the explanation for how the dead ball turnovers ended up being Mj steals? If not stfu.[/QUOTE]


They weren't

Ultimately, no one knows what you're talking about because "dead-ball turnovers" have never been reported before anywhere in history.. Haberstroh tried to repot a new stat because there's no reason to accept his subjective review of previously-reported stats and he also lacks play-by-play data to identify the plays that Jordan was credited with a steal.. aka he doesn't know which plays to dispute, so he claimed to count all the live-ball turnovers and then say Jordan's reported turnovers was higher than this.

Sorry - this junior high crap doesn't fly because he didn't provide the games to verify such an absurd claim.. It's absurd to think Jordan's steals would ever be higher than another team's live-ball turnovers, so verification is required to say the sky is pink, don't you think?

And why were Lebron's blocks inflated 120% at home as a rookie and 73% as a sophomore?. that's more inflation than any of Jordan's blocks or steals.. We also see current players get credited with assists that would never have been credited before.. All previously-recorded assists should be multiplied by a factor of like .7 or something to make it fair compared to prior eras

So again, the normal levels of home inflation are standard and have been decreasing over time as road records and conditions improved - this explains a normal level of inflation, while the one-offs of massive inflation like rookie Lebron, 90' Hakeem, 22' AD, 88' Jordan, 86' Robertson or 23 Jaren Jackson Jr. could be due to any number of factors, such as personal issues affecting home/road performance for that particular year... [I]the point is that there are much better reasons than league-wide cheating to explain normal home inflation and the one-offs of massive inflation[/I]

[QUOTE=3ba11;14927072][B]No, i can't explain how they credited those deadball turnovers as steals so im going 1) lie about the contents of the article and hope no one notices and 2)move the goalposts,yet [I]again[/I] in another embarrassing retreat[/B][/QUOTE]

Yeah just as I figured. 24 second violation, dribbled off foot out of bounds and pass off fingers out of bounds = 3 Jordam steals. Irrefutable.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;14927117]Yeah just as I figured. 24 second violation, dribbled off foot out of bounds and pass off fingers out of bounds = 3 Jordam steals. Irrefutable.[/QUOTE]


There's no play-by-play data to know what plays were credited to Jordan - he's just making up plays that were credited to Jordan when he has no idea if they were.. Somehow you fell for it

He can count up Jordan's steals in a game but he doesn't know if all those steals were credited to Jordan or not.. Play-by-play data is needed to do this analysis.

Uncut Hoops did it for 97' because we have play-by-play data.. Of course Uncut found no cheating by scorekeepers and this is no surprise because there were always better reasons for home inflation, such as teams playing better at home and this gap in home-road performance was bigger in prior eras when road conditions and records were much worse.. This home-road dynamic explains the normal level of home inflation that exists in every era, while the one-offs of massive inflation could be due to any number of reasons that affect a player's home/road performance for that particular year.. So Haberstroh and Nick Wright are just frauds and bad at it.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14927158]There's no play-by-play data to know what plays were credited to Jordan - he's just making up plays that were credited to Jordan when he has no idea if they were.. Somehow you fell for it

He can count up Jordan's steals in a game but he doesn't know if all those steals were credited to Jordan or not.. Play-by-play data is needed to do this analysis.

Uncut Hoops did it for 97' because we have play-by-play data.. Of course Uncut found no cheating by scorekeepers and this is no surprise because there were always better reasons for home inflation, such as teams playing better at home and this gap in home-road performance was bigger in prior eras when road conditions and records were much worse.. This home-road dynamic explains the normal level of home inflation that exists in every era, while the one-offs of massive inflation could be due to any number of reasons that affect a player's home/road performance for that particular year.. So Haberstroh and Nick Wright are just frauds and bad at it.[/QUOTE]

Who needs play by play data for a game you're watching the entirety of and have the ability to pause and rewind wtf. And no he was pretty clear about the 3 turnovers not appearing in the boxscore and also not being able to find 3 of the steals they credited to Mj. Correlation is practically done for you as long as you don't have rocks for brains. You choosing not to respect the source because you don't like his message is no where near refuting a study.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;14927117]Yeah just as I figured. 24 second violation, dribbled off foot out of bounds and pass off fingers out of bounds = 3 Jordam steals. Irrefutable.[/QUOTE]

The more sunlight we shine unto the 90s, the worst off it looks vs today.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;14927163]Who needs play by play data for a game you're watching the entirety of and have the ability to pause and rewind wtf. And no he was pretty clear about the 3 turnovers not appearing in the boxscore and also not being able to find 3 of the steals they credited to Mj. Correlation is practically done for you as long as you don't have rocks for brains. You choosing not to respect the source because you don't like his message is no where near refuting a study.[/QUOTE]


You don't know what plays they credited as turnovers without the play-by-play data.

And there's so many tiny deflections on shots or passes but you don't know which ones were let go or which ones were in the play-by-play data as a stat.. It's a useless exercise and therefore any attempt to have a 2nd subjective review overrule the original is fraudulent... This is the case until play-by-play data began in 97'

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;14927163]Who needs play by play data for a game you're watching the entirety of and have the ability to pause and rewind wtf. And no he was pretty clear about the 3 turnovers not appearing in the boxscore and also not being able to find 3 of the steals they credited to Mj. Correlation is practically done for you as long as you don't have rocks for brains. You choosing not to respect the source because you don't like his message is no where near refuting a study.[/QUOTE]


You don't know what plays they credited as turnovers without the play-by-play data.

And there's so many tiny deflections on shots or passes but you don't know which ones were let go or unseen versus which ones were in the play-by-play data as a stat.. So it's a useless exercise and therefore any attempt to have a 2nd subjective review overrule the original is fraudulent... This is the case until play-by-play data began in 97'

[QUOTE=8Ball;14927277]The more sunlight we shine unto the 90s, the worst off it looks vs today.[/QUOTE]

+1 brother man

[video=youtube;MD2kOti016U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD2kOti016U&ab_channel=JonnyArnett[/video]

This popped up on my feed last night, just to add to the conversation.

Baldan is a scam artist


We already knew this

[QUOTE=Phoenix;14927367][video=youtube;MD2kOti016U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD2kOti016U&ab_channel=JonnyArnett[/video]

This popped up on my feed last night, just to add to the conversation.[/QUOTE]


Another dumb video that was quickly debunked in the comments - the video maker [I]acknowledged[/I] the revelation in the comments in response to the original commenter that pointed it out.

The data showed that Jordan's blocks were [I]deflated[/I] by the same amount that the steals were [I]inflated[/I] by - scorekeepers were crediting Jordan's blocks as steals due to a ruling in the 90's that deflections on shots outside the paint were recorded as steals instead of blocks.. This accounts for 100% of the inflation and is a far more normal reason than league-wide cheating by scorekeepers - that was always an absurd conclusion driven by the now widespread fraud to turn the biggest loser in league history into the GOAT.

So that's it... But carry on and keep latching onto the latest fraud - but being a sucker is no way to live - maybe try considering the facts and objective truth in this post.

Again, there were 2 teams with positive road records in 1988 compared to half the league today (15 teams).. So road records and conditions were far worse in previous eras, which accounts for "normal" levels of home inflation in previous eras, and this has gradually decreased as road records improved over time.. This accounts for the normal levels of home inflation that everyone has , while the one-offs of massive inflation like 90' Hakeem, 22' AD, 88' Jordan or 23' Jackson could be due to any number of factors such as personal issues affecting home and road performance for that particular year.. The point is that there are far better reasons for the normal inflation or one-offs of massive inflation than league-wide cheating by scorekeepers, smh... And of course the eye tests of Haberstroh and now Arnett are disqualified based on the aforementioned deflation of blocks that matches the inflation of steals, which shows that scorekeepers were crediting blocks as steals - this fact along with the lack of play-by-play data to know which plays to dispute or if a deflection was missed or credited as a stat - these things disqualify any notion that a 2nd subjective review should overrule the original one done by the scorekeepers.. These analysis cannot be done without play-by-play data.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14927391]
So that's it... But carry on and keep latching onto the latest fraud - but being a sucker is no way to live - maybe try considering the facts and objective truth in this post.

[/QUOTE]

What the fukk are you going on about? All I did was post the video without offering any insight into the contents. So latching onto....what, exactly? You really are the biggest c*nt on this forum and that's saying something.

The only thing I actually took from the video, if you remove how the stats were tracked, is how active MJ actually was if the ball was anywhere within his vicinity and if anything, he probably legitimately averaged 2 blocks a game that year which would more impressive than 3 steals IMO, whether they were legitimately tracked or otherwise.

Now shut the fukk up and go take your meds.

[QUOTE=Phoenix;14927367][video=youtube;MD2kOti016U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD2kOti016U&ab_channel=JonnyArnett[/video]

This popped up on my feed last night, just to add to the conversation.[/QUOTE]

:applause:

Looks like the only person who went back to watch the games confirmed what the article said.

MJ is cooked.

[QUOTE=Phoenix;14927393]What the fukk are you going on about? All I did was post the video without offering any insight into the contents. So latching onto....what, exactly? You really are the biggest c*nt on this forum and that's saying something.

The only thing I actually took from the video, if you remove how the stats were tracked, is how active MJ actually was if the ball was anywhere within his vicinity and if anything, he probably legitimately averaged 2 blocks a game that year which would more impressive than 3 steals IMO, whether they were legitimately tracked or otherwise.

Now shut the fukk up and go take your meds.[/QUOTE]


You should be posting what I just posted to debunk the obvious fraud that tries to show league-wide cheating by scorekeepers - you should be seeking out the obvious facts that aren't hard to find to dispute this nonsense.. but instead , you're posting the debunked video as if "lookee here guys... Look what we have here" as if it's legit - that makes you part of the fraud I'm afraid.. and I must treat you as such

Another fraud video was posted this time by Johnny Arnett, which was quickly debunked in the comments - the video maker [I]acknowledged[/I] the revelation in the comments in response to the original commenter that pointed it out.

The data showed that Jordan's blocks were [I]deflated[/I] by the same amount that the steals were [I]inflated[/I] by - scorekeepers were crediting Jordan's blocks as steals due to a ruling in the 90's that deflections on shots outside the paint were recorded as steals instead of blocks.. This accounts for 100% of the inflation and is a far more normal reason than league-wide cheating by scorekeepers - that was always an absurd conclusion driven by the now widespread fraud to turn the biggest loser in league history into the GOAT.

So that's it... But carry on and keep latching onto the latest fraud - but being a sucker is no way to live - maybe try considering the facts and objective truth in this post.

Again, there were 2 teams with positive road records in 1988 compared to half the league today (15 teams).. So road records and conditions were far worse in previous eras, which accounts for "normal" levels of home inflation in previous eras, and this has gradually decreased as road records improved over time.. This accounts for the normal levels of home inflation that everyone has , while the one-offs of massive inflation like 90' Hakeem, 22' AD, 88' Jordan or 23' Jackson could be due to any number of factors such as personal issues affecting home and road performance for that particular year.. The point is that there are far better reasons for the normal inflation or one-offs of massive inflation than league-wide cheating by scorekeepers, smh... And of course the eye tests of Haberstroh and now Arnett are disqualified based on the aforementioned deflation of blocks that matches the inflation of steals, which shows that scorekeepers were crediting blocks as steals - this fact along with the lack of play-by-play data to know which plays to dispute or if a deflection was missed or credited as a stat - these things disqualify any notion that a 2nd subjective review should overrule the original one done by the scorekeepers.. These analysis cannot be done without play-by-play data

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14927394]:applause:

Looks like the only person who went back to watch the games confirmed what the article said.

MJ is cooked.[/QUOTE]


RIGHT NOW - you're at a crossroads in your life - you can choose to continue being a sucker and falling for frauds, or you can say "today is the day that I enlighten myself and carefully read the previous post above that debunks the fraud"

It's up to you.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14927395]You should be posting what I just posted to debunk the obvious fraud that tries to show league-wide cheating by scorekeepers - you should be seeking out the obvious facts that aren't hard to find to dispute this nonsense.. but instead , you're posting the debunked video as if "lookee here guys... Look what we have here" as if it's legit - that makes you part of the fraud I'm afraid.. and I must treat you as such[/QUOTE]

You have no clue as to why I posted it. In fact, the ending conclusion of the video seemed to be that MJ was disruptive enough that regardless of stat tracking the DPOY award was still warranted. You're focused on the stats because that's all you focus on( like boiling everything to PPG). It's like the guy said, Rodman didn't even average a block or steal in his DPOY campaigns but nobody would dispute his impact as a defender.

Once again, shut the fukk up. LMAO at you thinking I need to tailor my posts to meet your standards or I'm 'treated as such'. Imagine a sad little basement dweller like you thinking you have some relevance.