[QUOTE=Manny98;14937639]Yeah because I value so much the opinions of a bunch of dweebs who have never touched a basketball[/QUOTE]
You are the dweeb for picking Caruso:lol
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[QUOTE=Manny98;14937639]Yeah because I value so much the opinions of a bunch of dweebs who have never touched a basketball[/QUOTE]
You are the dweeb for picking Caruso:lol
Based on the comments so far imagine, DJ, and Dank are the clear top contenders here.
Some of the comments are hilarious...:lol it is true... how people have a bias towards today's players taking them over literal past legends. Alex Caruso over Clyde Drexler. Sidney Moncrief and Moses undrafted.
RRR3 shitting on the Kobe Chris Paul Kareem team and even realGM picking them when they're known Kobe haters.
I'm pretty sure that forum also has Garnett as like the GOAT so I'm not surprised they love iamgines team. He wasn't GOAT in the playoffs though.
The poll doesn't mean shit, this is the same place that thinks Kevin Garnett is the GOAT nobody takes those idiots seriously and barely anyone voted
Reddit would have been a better choice imo
Honestly never met anyone in real life that uses real GM, bunch of caveman idiots who have never played a competitive sport
[QUOTE=Manny98;14937657]The poll doesn't mean shit, this is the same place that thinks Kevin Garnett is the GOAT nobody takes those idiots seriously and barely anyone voted
Reddit would have been a better choice imo
Honestly never met anyone in real life that uses real GM, bunch of caveman idiots who have never played a competitive sport[/QUOTE]
Who do you think is a better defender? Ray Allen or Tracy McGrady?
Just saw your team laid out and realized how atrocious it is.
I actually like Manny’s team. I thought he got off to a weird start after he selected Jokic, but he finished the draft strong drafting some nice defensive/shooting pieces.
[QUOTE=Manny98;14937536]Do you realize there is only one basketball, I don't need another all time great I need a guy who can play without the ball and is willing to do all the grit hustle plays that don't show up on the stat sheet
Yes I could have picked a Clyde Drexler or a James Harden but what would be the point when I already have a sufficient amount of playmakers and stars on my team
Btw my team would blow yours out the building in the first quarter with that god awful starting lineup defense that would make D'antoni proud :roll:[/QUOTE]
Yeah but you had other options...Grant Hill, Chris Webber, Bobby Jones, Sidney Moncrief, Rajan Rondo, Michael Cooper, and Tony Allen
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14937667]I actually like Manny’s team. I thought he got off to a weird start after he selected Jokic, but he finished the draft strong drafting some nice defensive/shooting pieces.[/QUOTE]
Somebody gets it :cheers:
[QUOTE=John8204;14937672]Yeah but you had other options...Grant Hill, Chris Webber, Bobby Jones, Sidney Moncrief, Rajan Rondo, Michael Cooper, and Tony Allen[/QUOTE]
None of those guys fit the role I need
I guess next time I will have to dumb my thought process down and just go for the best players available
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14937667]I actually like Manny’s team. I thought he got off to a weird start after he selected Jokic, but he finished the draft strong drafting some nice defensive/shooting pieces.[/QUOTE]
Very interesting. Of all the teams drafted, who has the worst?
[QUOTE=DJMcDonald;14937659]Who do you think is a better defender? Ray Allen or Tracy McGrady?
Just saw your team laid out and realized how atrocious it is.[/QUOTE]
When they’re at their best, tmac for sure. Allen gave a more consistent effort though
[QUOTE=Manny98;14937657]The poll doesn't mean shit, this is the same place that thinks Kevin Garnett is the GOAT nobody takes those idiots seriously and barely anyone voted
Reddit would have been a better choice imo
Honestly never met anyone in real life that uses real GM, bunch of caveman idiots who have never played a competitive sport[/QUOTE]
I do think we should put it on reddit for a larger sample size though I think iamgine still wins. It was honestly over when we let drob fall to him. And we need to reevaluate Curry’s top 10 and top 5 worthiness. A lot of ppl have fixed top 10 lists because they’re afraid they’ll get laughed at for silly basketball opinions that affect their real life 0%
Baffling how many people don't understand the idea of complementary skill sets.
There's a reason why Derrick White got more minutes in the Olympics than Tatum and Haliburton, and a guy like OG Anunoby had insane impact as a role player.
The comments about "yeah but what about these other high usage guys and non-shooters!" are from a misguided place of not understanding basketball.
[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14937681]When they’re at their best, tmac for sure. [I][B][U]Allen gave a more consistent effort though[/U][/B][/I][/QUOTE]
:roll:
[QUOTE=Manny98;14937545]I have the best offensive player of all time and the best shooter of all time, between Dirk,Nash,Shaq and McGrady you have absolutely zero defense in 4 out of 5 in your starting lineup
Jokic would completely dismantle your shit defense every single possession :lol[/QUOTE]
Eh, "i have better defenders" is kind of a difficult take in these H2H match-ups.
Whos stopping Dirk Nash Shaq? Theyre still outscoring you, regardless of their defense being a bit lower than yours.
IMO:
Team 1 and 7 are the best.
Team 3 and 6 are the worst.
Rest inbetween.
I voted Team 7.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14937686]Eh, "i have better defenders" is kind of a difficult take in these H2H match-ups.
Whos stopping Dirk Nash Shaq? Theyre still outscoring you, regardless of their defense being a bit lower than yours.[/QUOTE]
A bit lower :oldlol:
He has the worst defence out of everyone
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14937684]Baffling how many people don't understand the idea of complementary skill sets.
There's a reason why Derrick White got more minutes in the Olympics than Tatum and Haliburton, and a guy like OG Anunoby had insane impact as a role player.
The comments about "yeah but what about these other high usage guys and non-shooters!" are from a misguided place of not understanding basketball.[/QUOTE]
Agreed people just see the big names and thinks that means they have the better team
Sad really I thought Real GM were more intelligent than that
I havnt been trolling when saying this place has higher iq than realGM now.
Kinda crazy how that all worked out.
[QUOTE=Manny98;14937700]A bit lower :oldlol:
He has the worst defence out of everyone[/QUOTE]
And its worth nothing, hes still gonna cook his match-up more than you do him.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14936238]Rules for the draft
1. Only players from 1980 and beyond will be eligible. If you picked a player who peaked in the 70's, you have to use the 80's version of them
2. Jordan & LeBron are not eligible for this draft
3. We're drafting 8 players per team
4. Considering our different time zones, I think 8 hours between picks is fair
This is the order the randomizer provided
Manny98
DJMcDonald
iamgine
SouBeachTalents
AlternativeAcc
dankok8
j3lademaster
1987_Lakers
While I think 6:00 PM EST is more than fair, I'll give Manny a little leeway since this board is from the late 90's and doesn't have PM's, so I can't notify the other posters the draft has started.[/QUOTE]
I dont get it, according to this order and the teams, Mannys team is team 1.
[QUOTE=DJMcDonald;14937685]:roll:[/QUOTE]
You don't think Ray Allen played harder than Tmac on the defensive end? Tmac often times would do just enough to get by, and he was so talented that he was a plus defender doing so. We all saw what he can do when he applies himself, he was able to shut down Dirk in a series where Nowitzski only broke 20 ppg on 35% shooting because he was feasting on Ryan Bowen.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14937716]I dont get it, according to this order and the teams, Mannys team is team 1.[/QUOTE]
Yea idk why he randomized the numbers on realgm.
[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14937720]You don't think Ray Allen played harder than Tmac on the defensive end? Tmac often times would do just enough to get by, and he was so talented that he was a plus defender doing so. We all saw what he can do when he applies himself, he was able to shut down Dirk in a series where Nowitzski only broke 20 ppg on 35% shooting because he was feasting on Ryan Bowen.[/QUOTE]
I remember in Milwaukee and Seattle he would refuse to fight over screens and constantly ball watch, for the athlete he was, he was a remarkably bad defender. Saying he put effort on that end is more asinine then selecting Caruso in an all time draft. In marquee match ups TMac would guard superstars whereas Allen couldn't give a damn
Curry gets a lot of flack for being a bad defender, but he's a better one than Allen ever was.
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Looking at the Real GM thread, I like Team 1 the most, but I also really like the team with Kobe, Pierce and KAJ.
Other than my own team which is Team 5, I'd go with Team 7 which is imagine. But honestly I think I would beat him in a 7-game series. Luka at PG would give CP3 some trouble so I might play the Doctor more minutes and stick him on Luka. But honestly both Luka and Curry would struggle mightily on D having to defend CP3, Kobe, or Dr J however he would match them up.
[QUOTE=DJMcDonald;14937724]Curry gets a lot of flack for being a bad defender, but he's a better one than Allen ever was.[/QUOTE]
No he ****ing wasn't :facepalm
McGrady was actually a very good defender in Toronto, so he had the capability, he just had to dial it back in Orlando carrying a garbage squad. As someone posted earlier, he did a really good job on Dirk in their matchup in '05.
Allen was never a notable defender in his prime years, but he actually did play solid defense in Boston, helping keep Kobe in check during their Finals matchups.
[QUOTE=Manny98;14937782]No he ****ing wasn't :facepalm[/QUOTE]
0 out of 29 votes:yaohappy:
[QUOTE=DJMcDonald;14937791]0 out of 29 votes:yaohappy:[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll:
MAHNEEEEEEEEEEE
[QUOTE=Wally450;14937593]Great post! :applause:[/QUOTE]
He was an athletic beast. Here's old arthritic Bill in his last game beating everyone down the court, including Wilt.
[img]https://i.ibb.co/d2gK9d8/90y7jl.gif[/img]
That's the fourth quarter of game 7 of the NBA Finals BTW. Played all 48 minutes.
I like team 3 the most I think. The one with KD off the bench.
It has the most roster versatility.
I do like Jokic team as well because I think he's just that good to the point where he elevates everyone to be their best versions. I think that team just fits together and the "brand" of ball would be great to watch, ala Spurs of early to mid 2010s
[QUOTE=Carbine;14937821]I like team 3 the most I think. The one with KD off the bench.
It has the most roster versatility.[/QUOTE]
Thanks.
It's easy to build a team with straight offense in these drafts, but my objective was to have a team with a little bit of everything, most importantly defense & shooting. I feel like Kawhi-OG-Draymond could guard any position from 2-4 and do it at a high level. Booker showed in the Olympics he can be a high caliber 3 & D role player playing with stars. & Mutombo is probably a top 5 defensive player ever in terms of impact. In reality, a team only needs 2-3 superstar scorers in these drafts.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14937790]McGrady was actually a very good defender in Toronto, so he had the capability, he just had to dial it back in Orlando carrying a garbage squad. As someone posted earlier, he did a really good job on Dirk in their matchup in '05.
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TMac came into the league a defensive player more or less.
[QUOTE=dankok8;14937775]Other than my own team which is Team 5, I'd go with Team 7 which is imagine. But honestly I think I would beat him in a 7-game series. Luka at PG would give CP3 some trouble so I might play the Doctor more minutes and stick him on Luka. But honestly both Luka and Curry would struggle mightily on D having to defend CP3, Kobe, or Dr J however he would match them up.[/QUOTE]
Iamgines team is getting overrated imo. David Robinson shrunk in the playoffs at the highest level of competition comparatively and Shaq / Dirk were better playoff performers than Garnett. Paul George was also gifted the meme nickname "playoff P" for a reason... dudes game fell off a lot for many years in the playoffs. You can't say that about any of the players on DJs team except maybe Tmac... but even he still produced individually, it's just that he was on shit teams.
And then there's also the fact that Luka is the most ball dominant player ever which isn't going to be conducive to great ball movement or chemistry on a super team. Nashs squads OTOH were not only the best team offenses in the NBA for many years in a row, they had the #1 assist rank as well, something Luka has never done.
[QUOTE=dankok8;14937775]Other than my own team which is Team 5, I'd go with Team 7 which is imagine. But honestly I think I would beat him in a 7-game series. Luka at PG would give CP3 some trouble so I might play the Doctor more minutes and stick him on Luka. But honestly both Luka and Curry would struggle mightily on D having to defend CP3, Kobe, or Dr J however he would match them up.[/QUOTE]
Nah, you would get stomped. You have high end talent, but the fit would be weird in today's league. A team with CP3, Kobe, McHale, & Kareem would cause some chemistry issues because all of these guys need to dribble for long periods of time to create some offense. And Kobe's ego will not let him take a lesser role on offense. Kareem & McHale would be a weird fit in today's league, although it would crush in the 80's & 90's. Dr. J brings nice scoring off the bench, but he doesn't provide shooting, Glen Rice is an elite shooter, but a shitty defender.
I like Imagine's team because although Luka is very ball dominant, Curry doesn't need the ball in his hands compared to other stars. Same with KG. D-Rob was a super nice guy, he would accept a lesser role on offense while still giving you ATG defense. Only weakness on his team is his starting backcourt would be feasted on when defending, but D-Rob & KG would erase alot of those defensive breakdowns.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14937834]Nah, you would get stomped. You have high end talent, but the fit would be weird in today's league. A team with CP3, Kobe, McHale, & Kareem would cause some chemistry issues because all of these guys need to dribble for long periods of time to create some offense. And Kobe's ego will not let him take a lesser role on offense. Kareem & McHale would be a weird fit in today's league, although it would crush in the 80's & 90's. Dr. J brings nice scoring off the bench, but he doesn't provide shooting, Glen Rice is an elite shooter, but a shitty defender.
I like Imagine's team because although Luka is very ball dominant, Curry doesn't need the ball in his hands compared to other stars. Same with KG. D-Rob was a super nice guy, he would accept a lesser role on offense while still giving you ATG defense. Only weakness on his team is his starting backcourt would be feasted on when defending, but D-Rob & KG would erase alot of those defensive breakdowns.[/QUOTE]
Ya his team is great but he would have more trouble defending me than vice versa. Like I said the only issue is CP3 guarding Luka on my end. He would need Luka/Curry to guard CP3/Kobe/Dr J. That would not go well even with KG and Rob down low. By the way I remember in one old draft, I also had a KG/Rob frontcourt so I love his team from that standpoint too lol.
Fit depends on coaching and tactics. CP3 would run the offense and the ball would go inside to Kareem and McHale and then out. Kobe would take open shots or attack mismatches (hello Curry). CP3 and 2008 Pierce shot 40% from 3pt range (higher on open threes) and would let them splash if the ball came out.
[QUOTE=dankok8;14937843]Ya his team is great but he would have more trouble defending me than vice versa. Like I said the only issue is CP3 guarding Luka on my end. He would need Luka/Curry to guard CP3/Kobe/Dr J. That would not go well even with KG and Rob down low. By the way I remember in one old draft, I also had a KG/Rob frontcourt so I love his team from that standpoint too lol.
Fit depends on coaching and tactics. CP3 would run the offense and the ball would go inside to Kareem and McHale and then out. Kobe would take open shots or attack mismatches (hello Curry). CP3 and 2008 Pierce shot 40% from 3pt range (higher on open threes) and would let them splash if the ball came out.[/QUOTE]
From top to bottom, you have a better defensive team. I just feel the fit is better on his end. Good luck getting the ball back from McHale once he receives a pass in the post. :lol
If you replaced Kobe with someone like Klay, I would like your team alot better. He would give you better shooting, isn't a high usage player, & provides good defense. There is no need for a Kobe with a team like this.