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So Trump is now saying that the Epstein files are not to be trusted. They are a lie. Democrats like Obama made them up.
Which unequivocally means, Trump is listed.
MAGA understands this now. But the defenders are now saying "if Trump is in there, Dems would have released them".
But the Dems didn't release them, because there are Dems on the list.
Which means. The list is real. And Trump is on it. Musk knew.
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15021735]So Trump is now saying that the Epstein files are not to be trusted. They are a lie. Democrats like Obama made them up.
Which unequivocally means, Trump is listed.
MAGA understands this now. But the defenders are now saying "if Trump is in there, Dems would have released them".
But the Dems didn't release them, because there are Dems on the list.
Which means. The list is real. And Trump is on it. Musk knew.[/QUOTE]
Trump brought up the Epstein list many times when no one did, pushing the issue completely unprovoked, even bringing it up on live Television at debates to confront Clinton about it (in regards to Bill), or mention Prince Andrew in an Interview.
Does it really make sense to you that this is the behaviour of a person who has a lot to lose if more about said list/activity is brought to light?
Use your brain and not your bias.
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15021735]So Trump is now saying that the Epstein files are not to be trusted. They are a lie. Democrats like Obama made them up.
Which unequivocally means, Trump is listed.
MAGA understands this now. But the defenders are now saying "if Trump is in there, Dems would have released them".
But the Dems didn't release them, because there are Dems on the list.
Which means. The list is real. And Trump is on it. Musk knew.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: you know what, his voter base will believe him bc it's a lot better to believe a lie than the truth
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15021736]Trump brought up the Epstein list many times when no one did, pushing the issue completely unprovoked, even bringing it up on live Television at debates to confront Clinton about it (in regards to Bill), or mention Prince Andrew in an Interview.
Does it really make sense to you that this is the behaviour of a person who has a lot to lose if more about said list/activity is brought to light?
Use your brain and not your bias.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://x.com/BlueATLGeorgia/status/1942068198557335825?t=3TiD4ktxSUAfOiO1xonp5A&s=19[/url]
That was posted earlier in this thread.
It's Trump in 2024 downplaying the Epstein list when asked. Saying it can't be trusted.
He promised his conspiracy minded followers JFK, and when asked about Epstein he'd sometimes play along. And those around him like Pam acted gung ho about it because they didn't realize he was in it. But now they do.
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15021735]So Trump is now saying that the Epstein files are not to be trusted. They are a lie. Democrats like Obama made them up.
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you see how [B]blatantly[/B] he patronizes his base? it couldn't be any more clear how hard he looks down upon them and plays them. and they're up in arms now but...
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...this why you don't allow yourself to get emotionally involved in politics. not only does it cloud your thinking but you become a pawn in a game that you have no control over.
[QUOTE=diamenz;15021740]you see how [B]blatantly[/B] he patronizes his base? it couldn't be any more clear how hard he looks down upon them and plays them. and they're up in arms now but...
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being a devoted MAGAt does remind me of those women in abusive relationships that always show up with bruises. they get gaslighted, manipulated, lied to and after they get their asses beat, they truly believe it's their fault and not their abusive partner's fault.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15021736]Trump brought up the Epstein list many times when no one did, pushing the issue completely unprovoked, even bringing it up on live Television at debates to confront Clinton about it (in regards to Bill), or mention Prince Andrew in an Interview.
Does it really make sense to you that this is the behaviour of a person who has a lot to lose if more about said list/activity is brought to light?
Use your brain and not your bias.[/QUOTE]
i [I]highly[/I] doubt trump is involved in that sickness but for a politician that calls himself an outsider and has no future elections ahead of him, it baffles me why he's going so far out of his way to cover this up. either he's getting paid BIGLY or the same powers that took out jfk are at work here.
[QUOTE=diamenz;15021743]i [I]highly[/I] doubt trump is involved in that sickness but for a politician that calls himself an outsider and has no future elections ahead of him, it baffles me why he's going so far out of his way to cover this up. either he's getting paid BIGLY or the same powers that took out jfk are at work here.[/QUOTE]
He's very clearly on the list. Like Musk said. And now he's claiming it's fake. I'm not sure how anyone could doubt his involvement seeing that for over a decade he and Epstein were close friends.
[QUOTE=diamenz;15021743]i [I]highly[/I] doubt trump is involved in that sickness but for a politician that calls himself an outsider and has no future elections ahead of him, it baffles me why he's going so far out of his way to cover this up. either he's getting paid BIGLY or the same powers that took out jfk are at work here.[/QUOTE]
I would also guess that the files aren't just limited to sexual acts. I'm sure of some of the "clients" are compromised in other ways too. Proof of bribery, stuff like that.
I'm saying this because I can't imagine that every single target was ready and willing to take a little girl mistress. If that option isn't on the table they have to try and compromise them some other way.
Then again the people in Washington are probably so sick and perverted maybe the batting average is higher than I suspect.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15021748]I would also guess that the files aren't just limited to sexual acts. I'm sure of some of the "clients" are compromised in other ways too. Proof of bribery, stuff like that.
I'm saying this because I can't imagine that every single target was ready and willing to take a little girl mistress. If that option isn't on the table they have to try and compromise them some other way.
Then again the people in Washington are probably so sick and perverted maybe the batting average is higher than I suspect.[/QUOTE]
The girls that were underage were teens, so for many of them they probably didn't view it as pedophilia. They were partying and then engaging with a 15 year old, not a 5 year old. And this was during a time when pedophilia hadn't quite blown up yet. Over the last decade or so it's kind of gone viral.
MAGAS defense now is, "So what if Trump f#cked little girls?"
This is disturbing even for a cult.
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15021751]The girls that were underage were teens, so for many of them they probably didn't view it as pedophilia. They were partying and then engaging with a 15 year old, not a 5 year old. And this was during a time when pedophilia hadn't quite blown up yet. Over the last decade or so it's kind of gone viral.[/QUOTE]
Even still, I would like to think some of them showed restraint.
This guy invites you to his island, and all of a sudden there's this really young girl coming onto you? I would like to think that A) some of them had the wits to realize they were being set up ... and B) some of them weren't interested.
When all else fails for Trump….. Blame:
Biden
Hillary
Obama
Hunter’s Laptop
Fake News
Deep State
Benghazi
Her Emails
Lizard People
Blah Blah Blah
Bitch… You Guilty AF
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15021745][B]He's very clearly on the list.[/B] Like Musk said. And now he's claiming it's fake. I'm not sure how anyone could doubt his involvement seeing that for over a decade he and Epstein were close friends.[/QUOTE]
but in what capacity? we can't jump to conclusions because there isn't enough evidence or indicators to implicate him in that manner. ever heard of "being caught up in some bullshit"? you probably think that ik'm making excuses for trump here but in the end the actual explanations to these crazy things, if they ever [I]are [/I]actually realized, end up being a lot more intricate than we originally thought.
in other words that side of the equation is all speculation and wishful thinking from trump deranged lefties. i'd just stick to what's clear as day, which is the cover up... and i get how the two are linked but i just don't see any strong enough leads to support that argument at this point.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15021754]Even still, I would like to think some of them showed restraint.
[B]This guy invites you to his island, and all of a sudden there's this really young girl coming onto you? [/B]I would like to think that A) some of them had the wits to realize they were being set up ... and B) some of them weren't interested.[/QUOTE]
:roll::roll::roll:
the mental gymnastics involved in defending trump are surreal
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If the Epstein Files cleared Trump he would be selling them on Truth Social.
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15021738][url]https://x.com/BlueATLGeorgia/status/1942068198557335825?t=3TiD4ktxSUAfOiO1xonp5A&s=19[/url]
That was posted earlier in this thread.
It's Trump in 2024 downplaying the Epstein list when asked. Saying it can't be trusted.
He promised his conspiracy minded followers JFK, and when asked about Epstein he'd sometimes play along. And those around him like Pam acted gung ho about it because they didn't realize he was in it. But now they do.[/QUOTE]
Again, youre not saying anything new.
I could basically make the same reply:
Trump brought up the Epstein list many times when no one did, pushing the issue completely unprovoked, even bringing it up on live Television at debates to confront Clinton about it (in regards to Bill), or mention Prince Andrew in an Interview.
Promised his conspiracy followers like JFK? Mate he raised attention to this in 2015 and 2016 when no network wanted to talk about it mao. When Epstein was ****ing alive.
He no longer had contact with Epstein after 2004 or something, this is documented.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15021776]Again, youre not saying anything new.
I could basically make the same reply:
Trump brought up the Epstein list many times when no one did, pushing the issue completely unprovoked, even bringing it up on live Television at debates to confront Clinton about it (in regards to Bill), or mention Prince Andrew in an Interview.
Promised his conspiracy followers like JFK? Mate he raised attention to this in 2015 and 2016 when no network wanted to talk about it mao. When Epstein was ****ing alive.
He no longer had contact with Epstein after 2004 or something, this is documented.[/QUOTE]
your arguments are always lazy and are anchored around very little substance.
general rule of thumb, if your only evidence is something that can be easily refuted by the reverse theoretical scenario, it's garbage.
In the interest of national security (and Israel's national security) ... it's probably best that the public doesn't know the truth.
[B][SIZE=7]WHERE ARE THE FILES?[/SIZE][/B]
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[QUOTE=Doomsday Dallas;15021788]In the interest of national security (and Israel's national security) ... it's probably best that the public doesn't know the truth.[/QUOTE]
The implosion would be crazy yes. If Trump is shown to be what everyone suspects I think there would be a brief period where he makes conspiracy claims, just like with the voter fraud stuff, and then eventually gets impeached and kicked out just like Bill Clinton did. And then we are looking at a JD Vance Presidency which honestly seems pretty bad because that guy doesn't seem like he has the moxie to be a President.
[QUOTE=Off the Court;15021808]The implosion would be crazy yes. If Trump is shown to be what everyone suspects I think there would be a brief period where he makes conspiracy claims, just like with the voter fraud stuff, and then eventually gets impeached and kicked out just like Bill Clinton did. And then we are looking at a JD Vance Presidency which honestly seems pretty bad because that guy doesn't seem like he has the moxie to be a President.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to say this one last time...
yes, it's possible Trump gets off on little children, yes, it's possible that Trump f*cked his own daughter
But that's not what I believe Trumps involvement was in this case.... His involvement was to collect dirt/information so he could gain power.
Does he not hold power today? How much power does he have if the dirt gets released?
Either way.... let's say he was having sex with minors.... so essentially that would mean somebody is blackmailing Trump right?
That means somebody has dirt on Trump right? Somebody would have power over Trump.... I wonder who that could be? Zionist interests perhaps?
You have one of two options: Either Trump is working with Zionists, or Zionists have power over Trump..... My research indicated he works with/for the Jews, not because he has a fetish for minors.
There is a third option.... but it would take too long to explain, but it goes along the lines that this all well crafted calculated political theater.
5D chess deception that goes beyond the average person's comprehension.
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Sorry but that is more of your signature tin-foil ranting. Not along ago you were writing essays that Trump would never be POTUS. But now he was gathering info for his future Presidency that no one believed would happen? Give me a break.
[url]https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-dropped-230770[/url]
This article is from 2016
[QUOTE]A woman who accused Donald Trump of raping her two decades ago when she was a 13-year-old aspiring teen model has again dropped a federal lawsuit over the alleged assaults.
The accuser, identified in the lawsuit by the pseudonym “Jane Doe,” was expected to appear at a news conference in Los Angeles Wednesday, but that appearance was abruptly canceled.
The lawyer who organized the event, Lisa Bloom, said Trump’s accuser had received threats and was too frightened to show up.
In the most recent suit, Trump’s accuser asserted that while she was exploring a modeling career in 1994, she attended a series of parties at the Manhattan home of prominent investor Jeffrey Epstein. She alleges that during those parties the real estate mogul tied her to a bed and raped her. She also claimed Epstein raped her during that series of gatherings[/QUOTE]
This is what is likely happened.
She was 13 years old when it happened.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15021776]Again, youre not saying anything new.
I could basically make the same reply:
Trump brought up the Epstein list many times when no one did, pushing the issue completely unprovoked, even bringing it up on live Television at debates to confront Clinton about it (in regards to Bill), or mention Prince Andrew in an Interview.
Promised his conspiracy followers like JFK? Mate he raised attention to this in 2015 and 2016 when no network wanted to talk about it mao. When Epstein was ****ing alive.
He no longer had contact with Epstein after 2004 or something, this is documented.[/QUOTE]
He is a nut, just like you. Does that sufficiently answer your question?
[QUOTE=Off the Court;15021820]
This is what is likely happened.
She was 13 years old when it happened.[/QUOTE]
So all of this happened because these people are just sick sexual deviants?
No intelligence gathering, no blackmailing, ... just elite parties where billionaires can molest children.
I think you need to go back to the original question that was asked: Who did Epstein work for?
Off The Court is really a genius I have to say.
So there was evidence linking Trump to a violent rape of an underage girl, one that was totally independent from the island shenanigans and didn't involve any other high profile government officials, and none of Trump's enemies came forward with it?
The powers that be, all the government officials that wanted Trump out of the paint, the intelligence agencies that manufactured phony investigations to try and impeach him... they had Trump nailed dead to rights [B]by himself[/B] and chose not to pursue it?
:oldlol:
That happened in 2016, no one thought Trump would even win the Presidency. The case was dropped because she was scared for her life. And many at the time assumed every woman that comes forward with something is a liar and after money.
But this one said that both He and Epstein raped her when she was 13. Tied her to a bed.
It's real and it happened and Trump knows it. So he is now trying to say that Obama made it up :oldlol:
Also apparently Ghislaine Maxwell has agreed to testify in court in regards to the Epstein list.
I think BOTH sides are suspicious of this though. Will she lie and say "nothing exists"? Will Trump and his people force her to say what he needs?
And then on the flip MAGA thinks the "Deep State" will do the same thing :oldlol:
I think what needs to happen here, is that Congress force a vote where the FBI and CIA just spill out everything they have.
[QUOTE=Off the Court;15021936]Also apparently Ghislaine Maxwell has agreed to testify in court in regards to the Epstein list.
I think BOTH sides are suspicious of this though. Will she lie and say "nothing exists"? Will Trump and his people force her to say what he needs?
And then on the flip MAGA thinks the "Deep State" will do the same thing :oldlol:
I think what needs to happen here, is that Congress force a vote where the FBI and CIA just spill out everything they have.[/QUOTE]
she's absolutely going to lie and get pardoned for it :facepalm
[QUOTE=Off the Court;15021931]That happened in 2016, no one thought Trump would even win the Presidency. The case was dropped because she was scared for her life. And many at the time assumed every woman that comes forward with something is a liar and after money.
But this one said that both He and Epstein raped her when she was 13. Tied her to a bed.
It's real and it happened and Trump knows it. So he is now trying to say that Obama made it up :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Right, so Trump tied an underage girl to a bed and raped her, and there's evidence for it, and nobody else is linked to it but Trump and Epstein... but no one who had a vested interest in getting rid of Trump at any point from 2016-2025 chose to pursue it or make a fuss about it.
Very interesting theory you have there smart guy.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15021954]Right, so Trump tied an underage girl to a bed and raped her, and there's evidence for it, and nobody else is linked to it but Trump and Epstein... but no one who had a vested interest in getting rid of Trump at any point from 2016-2025 chose to pursue it or make a fuss about it.
Very interesting theory you have there smart guy.[/QUOTE]
We have a woman from years ago claiming Trump raped her with Epstein.
We also have Trump recently found guilty of raping a woman in civil court.
And now we have Musk saying Trump is on the list. We can also see Trump and Epstein were besties. Trump and Epstein were like the Batman and Robin of raping girls.
1 + 1 = 2
WAKE UP
[QUOTE=Off the Court;15021820]Sorry but that is more of your signature tin-foil ranting. Not along ago you were writing essays that Trump would never be POTUS. But now he was gathering info for his future Presidency that no one believed would happen? Give me a break.
[url]https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-dropped-230770[/url]
This article is from 2016
This is what is likely happened.
She was 13 years old when it happened.[/QUOTE]
Likely all you're doing here is playing into Trump's excuse about fake stuff being added to the Epstein files later on.
This story was pushed heavily to media by a guy claiming his name was Al Taylor. The woman making the claim about Trump and Epstein shared in an early interview that Al Taylor had helped her draft the complaint. Turns out Al Taylor was really a guy named Norm Lubow, who was known for having created various pieces of fake news. He'd also worked as a Jerry Springer producer, creating fake segments and getting people to play out those fake segments pretending they were real.
"Al Taylor" was trying to get media outlets to pay a million dollars for rights to "Katie Johnson's" video explaining what they did to her, but no one wanted to pay it because they were unable to get in touch with Katie who always ducked out of interviews.
When no big media outlet ran with the story or paid for the rights to the video interview, they withdrew the case again - there's no proof it was because some MAGA people were able to compromise the court system, figure out her real identity and threaten her into silence.
[URL="https://www.yahoo.com/news/unsubstantiated-trump-child-rape-allegations-202100951.html"]https://www.yahoo.com/news/unsubstantiated-trump-child-rape-allegations-202100951.html[/URL]
[video=youtube_share;gnib-OORRRo]https://youtu.be/gnib-OORRRo[/video]
MAGA response:
Yes it's better to have a white male pedophile in the White House than a black woman.
When Off the Court is proven wrong, will he change his username again?
MAGAS stormed the Capitol for a pedophile.
These files need to be released, whether trump is on the list or not.
[QUOTE=Off the Court;15021972]We have a woman from years ago claiming Trump raped her with Epstein.
We also have Trump recently found guilty of raping a woman in civil court.
And now we have Musk saying Trump is on the list. We can also see Trump and Epstein were besties. Trump and Epstein were like the Batman and Robin of raping girls.
1 + 1 = 2
WAKE UP[/QUOTE]
How are you guilty in civil court?
When Biden was in office: "The Epstein files are under direct control of the FBI, they can release it at any time"
Now that Trump's in office: "Well, it's not that simple we have to get clearance and there's all this red tape, and.... Why the hell are you all still talking about this anyway?"
[video=youtube;8mn170oYILo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mn170oYILo[/video]
We really just traded the swamp for a much dirtier swamp.
[QUOTE=TeflonDonTrump;15021997]How are you guilty in civil court?[/QUOTE]
A jury found him guilty of sexual abuse, and he was forced to pay out $5m.
[QUOTE=j3lademaster;15022000]When Biden was in office: "The Epstein files are under direct control of the FBI, they can release it at any time"
Now that Trump's in office: "Well, it's not that simple we have to get clearance and there's all this red tape, and.... Why the hell are you all still talking about this anyway?"
[video=youtube;8mn170oYILo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mn170oYILo[/video]
We really just traded the swamp for a much dirtier swamp.[/QUOTE]
patel is also dating a jewish ngo - in other words, he has a mossad handler