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Shaq at his prime was a hell of a lot better than Kobe all Kobe did in his prime was shoot everytime and his team went absolutely no where Shaq always had a winning team
I would Take MJ in college over Kobe i would take OJ Mayo over Kobe also
In 1984-1987 nobody could stay in front of jordan jordan got to the lane whenever he wanted Jordan always shot the ball over 50% jus think if jordan had a big man who he could have worked with in those years like Kobe was giving with Shaq
[QUOTE=Shep]
kobe was more effective in the san antonio series[/QUOTE]
No, he wasn't. Calculate the EFF and I'm pretty sure Shaq comes out on top (33/7/7/51% vs. 27/12/3 blk/54%), to say nothing of the fact that Shaq occupied SA's entire interior defense (including 2 of the best defensive bigs of all time) while Kobe was left on an island with Porter and Daniels.
[QUOTE=Shep]lol@you using my word again. my point remains - you said shaq needed alot of shots for the lakers to win, and he happened to shoot less when they won. if shaq shooting more was a major factor in the lakers winning he'd shoot atleast 2 or 3 more fga per game in wins than what he did in losses.[/QUOTE]
Your word? :oldlol:
Shaq was getting more shots for the time he was out on the floor. The team was much better in those games and a a result they had more blowout wins.
[QUOTE]:oldlol: worthless excuses. 19 shots wasn't enough shots to get into a rythem? shaq also had games where he had low fga and still made shots, including a 9-14 game, a 9-12 game, a 8-13 game, and many more.[/QUOTE]
The word is rythym first of all. Second of all in the games after those first 4 games(22.8 FGA he wasn't averaging 19 shots per game. He was averaging 15.3 shots.
[QUOTE]you missed the point[/QUOTE]
That's because you didn't make one.
[QUOTE]i'm talking about compared to the benchmark he set the previous year[/QUOTE]
Well then everyone in the league has played like garbage since.
[QUOTE]still less :oldlol: , and you can't do a simple math problem, so now you can't do math, and you can't do english..what year did you drop out of grade school again? :oldlol: [/QUOTE]
Coming from a guy who can't spell hockey or rythym.
[QUOTE]shaq had the same attention throughout his time with the lakers, kobe seized the moment and carried the lakers into the finals[/QUOTE]
For Shaq to have the focus of 2 of the top 5 big men defenders in the league and still put up 27 and 13 is far more impressive than what Kobe did. Kobe had single coverage against some poor, old defenders.
[QUOTE]only because you had no answer[/QUOTE]
If that were the case then everyone question I've asked you would be irrelevant.
[QUOTE]shaq makes jokes. what he said about kobe was no joke.[/QUOTE]
It was an exaggeration. Shaq speaks without thinking all the time. If you had followed Shaq's career for 15 years like me then you'd know this.
[QUOTE]this had nothing to do with what i just said[/QUOTE]
Yes it did.
[QUOTE]59 games is better than 0 games[/QUOTE]
Yeah I know and Shaq made a huge contribution to that team but Duncan's all-star teammates missed a combined 19 games while Wade's star teammate missed 23 games.
[QUOTE]just because they signed him for that doesn't mean he's a good player. 10 points in 27 minutes for a scorer is a pathetic number, especially when you don't do anything else.[/QUOTE]
That's not a pathetic number. That's excellent production off the bench. Every team needs shooters.
[QUOTE]not as valuable as well rounded stars[/QUOTE]
Wade only had 1 of those and you could argue that Shaq wasn't even a star anymore at that point.
[QUOTE]walker was miami's third best player in the finals, williams was their fourth best player - role players yes, but easily better than the role players of the spurs.[/QUOTE]
Walker and Williams weren't better than Bowen.
[QUOTE]yes, because you need to be in the top scorers in the league to hold any value to your team :rolleyes: . pathetic.[/QUOTE]
I never said among the top scorers, I said just quite a bit better than his 18.6 ppg on his pathetic shooting %.
[QUOTE]zo wasn't even top 3[/QUOTE]
:roll: So 20 and 11 with 4 blocks as the leagues best defender on a number 1 seed isn't among the 3 most valuable players? GTFO :oldlol:
[QUOTE]kobe was more effective in the san antonio series[/QUOTE]
No he wasn't because Shaq dominated against 2 agreat defenders and allowed Kobe to go off against some bad defenders.
[QUOTE]Your word?[/QUOTE]
yes :oldlol:
[QUOTE]Shaq was getting more shots for the time he was out on the floor. The team was much better in those games and a a result they had more blowout wins.[/QUOTE]
the difference is not substantial enough to make an argument out of
[QUOTE]The word is rythym first of all. Second of all in the games after those first 4 games(22.8 FGA he wasn't averaging 19 shots per game. He was averaging 15.3 shots.[/QUOTE]
he was shooting bricks when he did shoot, so there was no point in shooting any more and wasting a possession
[QUOTE]That's because you didn't make one.[/QUOTE]
more like because you couldn't come up with a counter point you instead dismiss it as me not having a point :roll:
[QUOTE]Well then everyone in the league has played like garbage since.[/QUOTE]
pathetic. you are expected to show up to the best of your capabilities each and every night, other players were expected to play to their best and they did, shaq was expected to and he didn't.
[QUOTE]Coming from a guy who can't spell hockey or rythym.[/QUOTE]
coming from a guy who can't spell elliott
[QUOTE]For Shaq to have the focus of 2 of the top 5 big men defenders in the league and still put up 27 and 13 is far more impressive than what Kobe did. Kobe had single coverage against some poor, old defenders.[/QUOTE]
its easier to double a guy who plays 5ft away from the hoop than a perimiter oriented player, and kobe's 33/7/7 is much more impressive than o'neal's 27/13, including a 45 point game 1 in san antonio that set the tone for the series.
[QUOTE]If that were the case then everyone question I've asked you would be irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
i've not only answered your questions, but destroyed them
[QUOTE]It was an exaggeration. Shaq speaks without thinking all the time. If you had followed Shaq's career for 15 years like me then you'd know this.[/QUOTE]
yes, it was an exaggeration, but he said it at a time when kobe was the best player in the world for a period of four games. i also don't just follow shaq's career, but everyone's.
[QUOTE]Yes it did.[/QUOTE]
thats funny, considering it didn't
[QUOTE]Yeah I know and Shaq made a huge contribution to that team but Duncan's all-star teammates missed a combined 19 games while Wade's star teammate missed 23 games.[/QUOTE]
miami had alonzo mourning to fill the void of the missing o'neal and he averaged 12 points, 9 rebounds, and 4 blocks as a starter
[QUOTE]That's not a pathetic number. That's excellent production off the bench. Every team needs shooters.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: examples of excellent production off the bench in '06 is alonzo mourning, speedy claxton, and mike miller. if you want to be a scorer who does nothing but score, excellent production is more like 12 points in 20 minutes, minimum.
[QUOTE]Walker and Williams weren't better than Bowen.[/QUOTE]
:lol
[QUOTE]I never said among the top scorers, I said just quite a bit better than his 18.6 ppg on his pathetic shooting %.[/QUOTE]
quite a bit better than 18.6ppg is among the best scorers in the game, and 48% shooting is only 2.9% worse than what it was when he was at his peak.
[QUOTE]So 20 and 11 with 4 blocks as the leagues best defender on a number 1 seed isn't among the 3 most valuable players? [/QUOTE]
:lol the leagues best defender? :roll: ever heard of a guy called david robinson? not to mention tim duncan and dikembe mutombo were both probably better also. duncan (clearly), malone, and robinson were all more valuable.
[QUOTE]No he wasn't because Shaq dominated against 2 agreat defenders and allowed Kobe to go off against some bad defenders.[/QUOTE]
kobe controlled games with his overall play - playing defense, setting the tone, getting teammates involved, initiating offense, driving lanes, grabbing rebounds, dominant scoring. easily more effective.
LOL So Kobe didn't have better numbers (they're about equal), didn't see nearly as much defensive attention, and didn't do it to two of the best defenders in history like Shaq did, yet his series was "easily more effective"? Give me some of whatever you're smoking. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Loki]LOL So Kobe didn't have better numbers (they're about equal), didn't see nearly as much defensive attention, and didn't do it to two of the best defenders in history like Shaq did, yet his series was "easily more effective"? Give me some of whatever you're smoking. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
As funny as it sounds that's not surprising coming from Shep.
Shep has said the following things.
[QUOTE]Shawn Marion is better than Tim Duncan[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Marcus Camby is the best center in the league[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]David Robinson is better than Shaq or Hakeem Olajuwon[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]David Robinson was better than michael jordan every year from 1990-1996 except for 1993[/QUOTE]
I think Kobe would be appalled to know people are obssessed with him to this extent. Creepy ****.
I agree, Shep is a dumbass (and a huge one at that), but this is just getting to be too much.
Shep:roll::roll::roll: