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10 Super Bowl appearances
7 Lombardi trophies
4 (probably 5 once they announce it) Super Bowl MVPs
3 MVPs
20 years and 43 years old.
He still continues to prove people wrong.
Sorry, Montana, sorry Manning, sorry Rodgers, sorry Mahomes...
Tom Brady is the Greatest of all Time!
Anyone trying to detract from Brady at this point will always end up looking like a nut
The only knock you can have on Brady is that he did benefit from lots of rule changes made to open up the game and extend players careers. Even that being said it’s a pretty tough argument going against Brady at this point.
The truth is you can’t really compare across eras. There is many goats, goats for each era.
Brady is still truly one of a kind, we will never see anyone do the things he did again.
Definitely the GOAT for football, but he didn't exactly dominate like Jordan if we go across sports.
Jordan broke all the individual/skills records while winning consistently. Brady won consistently but he hasn't exactly dominated unlike anyone else in history like Jordan did. Who would come closest to Jordan in pure domination? Maybe Kobe for a couple stretches but he wasn't as efficient as MJ. Kareem probably. Durant if he wins a few more chips. Magic/Bird had too short careers to consider. Mr Russell is arguable but he didn't quite dominate individually like Jordan. Wilt? Sadly he wasn't exactly a winner until the end of career, but I would bring into question his size advantage against his peers versus talent/skill. Jerry West not exactly a winner and doesn't belong in same sentence as MJ from skill perspective. Shaq is possible argument for pure domination and winning at same time. Shaq, like Wilt, also becomes an argument between size/height giving him advantage versus talent. The only clear comparison to Jordan is Kareem in talent comparison.
For NFL qbs, individual talent/records probably goes in this time order: Marino > Favre > Peyton > Brees/Rodgers so far in modern history of football... Yes, Brady is the greatest qb in history, but there are a couple of best qbs in history candidates over him in Peyton/Rodgers imo. Mahomes has some ways to go but he is well on his way there to break records set by Peyton/Rodgers/Brees.
[quote=bladefd]Definitely the GOAT for football, but he didn't exactly dominate like Jordan if we go across sports.
Jordan broke all the individual/skills records while winning consistently. Brady won consistently but he hasn't exactly dominated unlike anyone else in history like Jordan did. Who would come closest to Jordan in pure domination? Maybe Kobe for a couple stretches but he wasn't as efficient as MJ. Kareem probably. Durant if he wins a few more chips. Magic/Bird had too short careers to consider. Mr Russell is arguable but he didn't quite dominate individually like Jordan. Wilt? Sadly he wasn't exactly a winner until the end of career, but I would bring into question his size advantage against his peers versus talent/skill. Jerry West not exactly a winner and doesn't belong in same sentence as MJ from skill perspective. Shaq is possible argument for pure domination and winning at same time. Shaq, like Wilt, also becomes an argument between size/height giving him advantage versus talent. The only clear comparison to Jordan is Kareem in talent comparison.
For NFL qbs, individual talent/records probably goes in this time order: Marino > Favre > Peyton > Brees/Rodgers so far in modern history of football... Yes, Brady is the greatest qb in history, but there are a couple of best qbs in history candidates over him in Peyton/Rodgers imo. Mahomes has some ways to go but he is well on his way there to break records set by Peyton/Rodgers/Brees. [/quote]
not to say that Brady is better than Jordan (I dont really think it makes sense to compare them)... but Jordan didnt exactly dominate like Brady either. Jordan had a higher peak than Brady, but IMO the fact that Brady has been consistently dominant for 20 years straight is just as impressive (especially in a game as punishing as football).
Jordan 3peating, then retiring, then coming back and 3peating again is insane and probably something we will never see again in any sport. Brady having more championship rings than any other NFL franchise is also insane and probably something we will never see again in any sport (Jordan would need 11 more rings to catch up with the Celtics and Lakers).
In regard to most "talented" QB - I agree that Brady is not the most talented in terms of throwing ability (or running obviously)... but there are other important skills for a NFL QB, like avoiding big mistakes (an interception can potentially be a 14 point swing... which is a huge in a sport where teams usually score 25-30 points). A big reason why Brady has been to the superbowl more times than Marino/Favre/Peyton/Brees/Rodgers COMBINED is because he is far better at avoiding catastrophic mistakes than any of those guys.
Prisoners of the moment. Plenty of athletes have accomplished more than Brady. And that’s no knock on him because he accomplished a lot in football. But when you go beyond football? You’re wrong.
[QUOTE=GOBB;14245944]Prisoners of the moment. Plenty of athletes have accomplished more than Brady. And that’s no knock on him because he accomplished a lot in football. But when you go beyond football? You’re wrong.[/QUOTE]
who is more accomplished exactly?
[QUOTE=GOBB;14245944]Prisoners of the moment. Plenty of athletes have accomplished more than Brady. And that’s no knock on him because he accomplished a lot in football. But when you go beyond football? You’re wrong.[/QUOTE]
at least name them. Do you mean guys like Michael Phelps?
[QUOTE=Nanners;14245946]who is more accomplished exactly?[/QUOTE]
Quite a few people. Bill Russell, Yogi Berra, Federer, Jack Nicklaus, Jordan, Gretzky, Phelps, Serena
What we've seen in sports since 2000 with Brady will never be replicated by anyone in any sport.
He is a god.
[QUOTE=GOBB;14245955]Quite a few people. Bill Russell, Yogi Berra, Federer, Jack Nicklaus, Jordan, Gretzky, Phelps, Serena[/QUOTE]
Several of the people you listed here arent even the GOAT of their sport, half of them play "sports" where you are a 1 man team (individual dominance is easier to exert when you dont have to rely on any teammates), and one of these people doesnt even qualify as an "athlete" in any meaningful sense (golf is a game). IMHO the only people on this list who deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Brady are Jordan and Gretzsky.
Gretzsky was so good, you could split his stats in half and each side would rank number 1 and number 2. It would be like a quarterback throwing 75 Tds in a season. MJ totally dominated on another level as well. Its not even close in terms of talents between those two and Brady. Brady is like Bill Russell, but even back in Russell's day Wilt was considered the superior player and talent.
Bill Russel was dominant for sure... but considering he played in an era where there were 8 teams in the league and most of his opponents were little scrawny white men its kind of hard to compare him with any players who have dominated modern sports leagues.
If I was going to compare Brady vs Russel, I dont think I would ever say that a guy who is the undisputed GOAT of his sport is somehow less accomplished than a guy who is considered GOAT in his sport by virtually nobody and is often left off top 5/10 player lists entirely
[QUOTE=Nanners;14245977]Bill Russel was dominant for sure... but considering he played in an era where there were 8 teams in the league and most of his opponents were little scrawny white men its kind of hard to compare him with any players who have dominated modern sports leagues.
If I was going to compare Brady vs Russel, I dont think I would ever say that a guy who is the undisputed GOAT of his sport is somehow less accomplished than a guy who is considered GOAT in his sport by virtually nobody and is often left off top 5/10 player lists entirely[/QUOTE]
The centers back then were not scrawny at all. Go look at pictures of Nate Thurmond, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem, Willis Reed etc. Those guys were way bigger and more physically imposing than centers of today. Rudy Gobert is a top center today and he would get rag dolled by those guys. And less teams,meant Russell was constantly pitted head to head with Wilt. That's a major major matchup to be facing. Arnold said Wilt made him feel like a weakling.
[QUOTE=Nanners;14245968]Several of the people you listed here arent even the GOAT of their sport, half of them play "sports" where you are a 1 man team (individual dominance is easier to exert when you dont have to rely on any teammates), and one of these people doesnt even qualify as an "athlete" in any meaningful sense (golf is a game). IMHO the only people on this list who deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Brady are Jordan and Gretzsky.[/QUOTE]
So much wrong here. First I listed players who accomplished a lot in their sport. Tom Brady SB rings/wins and his MVP was the only thing listed. Then what was asked is who accomplished more. I listed people who accomplished more. So now you tell me well some arent even considered the GOAT in their respective sport. Neither is Tom Brady. When you look up who is considered the greatest football player (not by position only) in history? Tom Brady name isnt at the top of that list. So you disqualify names from my list based on a criteria that even Tom Brady doesn't even meet. Tom Brady is not even top 10 greatest ATHLETE of all time if you want to play the semantics game of what an athlete truly is. What qualifies one as an athlete. Before I really go into it, lets define that so we are on the same page.
[QUOTE=Nanners;14245977]Bill Russel was dominant for sure... but considering he played in an era where there were 8 teams in the league and most of his opponents were little scrawny white men its kind of hard to compare him with any players who have dominated modern sports leagues.
If I was going to compare Brady vs Russel, I dont think I would ever say that a guy who is the undisputed GOAT of his sport is somehow less accomplished than a guy who is considered GOAT in his sport by virtually nobody and is often left off top 5/10 player lists entirely[/QUOTE]
Again you keep shooting down peoples eras. Tom Brady plays in an era where you can't touch the QB. Tom Brady plays in an era that puts the defense at a handicap against offenses. You want to discredit Bill Russell era but ignore Tom Brady era? Interesting. Tom is not the undisputed GOAT of his sport, that is Jerry Rice. Russell won 11 out of 13 NBA titles. Tom Brady titles were highlighted in this thread as support of WHY he is the most accomplished. He also has MVPs another award highlighted in this thread to speak on what Tom accomplished. And you say Bill isn't qualified for most accomplished? Laughs.