is lebron a GREAT scorer?

1) Lebron scored the most points without producing the best teams of his era, which demonstrates that his scoring style is suboptimal and doesn't yield the best team ceilings like Curry, Kawhi or MJ - these expert jumpshooters were coachable to play the best brand of ball and achieve the highest team ceilings, while Lebron forces coaches into a heliocentric offense that revolves around 1 player and requires more help (lower team ceilings/Finals records).

2) Heliocentric scoring imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, so it lacks the teammate development, fits and brand of ball to win organically and must pursue talent-based winning instead (team-hopping.. all-star team strategy).

3) At carry-job scoring levels, heliocentric players lack sufficient brand of ball to beat top teams (too ball-dominant) - this inability to carry the scoring load requires all-time scoring help like Kareem, AD, or Wade and can't win with secondary producers like Wiggins or Pippen.. GM's must find expensive, star scoring help for heliocentric players, while expert jumpshooters like Curry or MJ that can carry the scoring load allow GM's to build a team of cheap defenders .

4) Great scorers require a jumper that routinely pops off, which forces opponents to consider double-teaming to get the ball out of their hands (commanding doubles).. aka great scorers must have their scoring be devastating enough to make opponents willing to compromise their defense by double-teaming (gambling).

5) Turnovers - great scoring requires low turnovers and Lebron is #1 all-time in turnovers - he's a 6'8" Westbrook turnover machine with similar non-elite jumpshooting efficiency.. He was on his way to becoming just another career-losing ball-dominator like CP3 or Luka until the "decision" to stack the deck.

LeBron is the Greatest scorer.

About to surpass Kareem as the all time leading scorer of all time, and that is Kareem's [B][I][U]career magnus opus[/U][/I][/B]. Kareem has won 6 championships and 6 MVPs and nobody talks about those achievements.

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Does Elon Musk have A LOT of money?

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Does Elon Musk have A LOT of money?

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Oh shit.


Rat poison response.

Yes

[QUOTE=8Ball;14664768]LeBron is the Greatest scorer.

About to surpass Kareem as the all time leading scorer of all time, and that is Kareem's [B][I][U]career magnus opus[/U][/I][/B]. Kareem has won 6 championships and 6 MVPs and nobody talks about those achievements.[/QUOTE]


Scoring less for longer doesn't really mean anything or reflect scoring ability.

Reggie Miller scored 3000 more points than Bird but no one thinks Miller was a better scorer than Bird or anywhere near

and the WAY a player scores matter the same as how MUCH they score..

Specifically, ball-dominators can't carry the scoring load against top teams (too ball-dominant) and therefore need all-time scoring help.. They also can't win organically because they lack the fits/chemistry and teammate development (they impose spot-up roles that stall young players), nor can they achieve the highest team ceilngs (weak Finals records), command doubles or limit turnovers (westbrooking)

So no

Yes

[QUOTE=3ba11;14664774]Scoring less for longer doesn't really mean anything or reflect scoring ability.

Reggie Miller scored 3000 more points than Bird but no one thinks Miller was a better scorer than Bird or anywhere near

and the WAY a player scores matter the same as how MUCH they score..

Specifically, ball-dominators can't carry the scoring load against top teams (too ball-dominant) and therefore need all-time scoring help.. They also can't win organically because they lack the fits/chemistry and teammate development (they impose spot-up roles that stall young players), nor can they achieve the highest team ceilngs (weak Finals records), command doubles or limit turnovers (westbrooking)

So no[/QUOTE]

Kareem has 6 MVPs, nobody cares.
Kareem has 6 championships, nobody cares.

Kareem's all time scoring record = Most sought after record.

No the guy who has the 5th highest scoring average in the history of the NBA, along with 3 seasons of 30 or more PPG and a scoring title, is a terrible scorer. Obviously.

[QUOTE=8Ball;14664776]Kareem has 6 MVPs, nobody cares.
Kareem has 6 championships, nobody cares.

Kareem's all time scoring record = Most sought after record.[/QUOTE]


Kareem...... 6 rings.... #1 scoring..... #3 rebounds
Lebron....... 4 rings.... #1 scoring..... #6 assists


^^^ so we know that Lebron isn't goat because Kareem's superior achievement wasn't goat

logic gonna logic

[QUOTE=RRR3;14664779]No the guy who has the 5th highest scoring average in the history of the NBA, along with 3 seasons of 30 or more PPG and a scoring title, is a terrible scorer. Obviously.[/QUOTE]


the WAY a player scores matter the same as how MUCH they score..

Specifically, ball-dominators can't carry the scoring load against top teams (too ball-dominant) and therefore need all-time scoring help - they literally need more help like kareem, AD or Wade and can't win with secondary producers like Wiggins or Pippen that require the 1st option to carry the scoring load.

GM's must find expensive, star scoring help for ball-dominators, while expert jumpshooters like Curry or MJ (that can carry the scoring load) allow GM's to build a team of cheap defenders .

furthermore, ball-dominators can't win organically because they lack the fits and teammate development (they impose spot-up roles that stall young players), nor can they achieve the highest team ceilngs (weak Finals records due to weak brand).. nor can they command doubles or limit turnovers (westbrooking)

He ight.

No. LeBron is the only player in the top 20 (yeah I atleast put him in the top 20) to possess an unwillingness to take contested jumpers. Imo to be a great scorer you have to take contested jumpers and hit them at a reasonable rate.

Depends on what you value in a basketball player. Lebron is all about quantity, not quality.

[QUOTE=8Ball;14664776]Kareem has 6 MVPs, nobody cares.
Kareem has 6 championships, nobody cares.

Kareem's all time scoring record = Most sought after record.[/QUOTE]

Except that Kareem is ahead of Lebron all time and still will be even after Bronie passes up his longevity record. :lol

Kareem = top 5
Bronie = fringe top 10