Why don't the mid-late 80's Utah Jazz get talked about as an all-time great defense?
1985: #1 Defense | 103.4 DRTG
1985 League Average: 107.9
Net: +4.5
1987: #1 Defense | 103.7 DRTG
1987 League Average: 108.3
Net: +4.6
1988: #1 Defense | 103.1 DRTG
1988 League Average: 108 DRTG
Net: +4.9
1989: #1 Defense | 101.5 DRTG
1989 League Average: 107.8 DRTG
Net: +6.3
They were the best defensive team in the league in 4 out of 5 seasons. How many teams have done that besides Russell's Celtics? I thought maybe Duncan's Spurs maybe accomplished this, but they fell a little short. Mid 90's Knicks also fell short.
They had a defensive monster in Eaton, who gets kind of forgotten nowadays. Alongside Eaton, Stockton & Malone were one of the better defenders in the league by the late 80's. And who here knows about Bob Hansen? Dude looks like a plumber, but I guess he was known for his defense as well on those Jazz teams. Jerry Krause liked his defense so much, he signed him the season the Bulls won in '92.
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Eaton and hansen were a joke.
Re: Why don't the mid-late 80's Utah Jazz get talked about as an all-time great defen
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15021595]Eaton and hansen were a joke.[/QUOTE]
Eaton would fold Rudy Gobert like a small piece of paper and dunk his ass straight through the rim
Re: Why don't the mid-late 80's Utah Jazz get talked about as an all-time great defen
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15021593]1985: #1 Defense | 103.4 DRTG
1985 League Average: 107.9
Net: +4.5
1987: #1 Defense | 103.7 DRTG
1987 League Average: 108.3
Net: +4.6
1988: #1 Defense | 103.1 DRTG
1988 League Average: 108 DRTG
Net: +4.9
1989: #1 Defense | 101.5 DRTG
1989 League Average: 107.8 DRTG
Net: +6.3
They were the best defensive team in the league in 4 out of 5 seasons. How many teams have done that besides Russell's Celtics? I thought maybe Duncan's Spurs maybe accomplished this, but they fell a little short. Mid 90's Knicks also fell short.
They had a defensive monster in Eaton, who gets kind of forgotten nowadays. Alongside Eaton, Stockton & Malone were one of the better defenders in the league by the late 80's. And who here knows about Bob Hansen? Dude looks like a plumber, but I guess he was known for his defense as well on those Jazz teams. Jerry Krause liked his defense so much, he signed him the season the Bulls won in '92.[/QUOTE]
Were they really the best defense team at that time or are you just going by numbers? This era of the Jazz win over 47 games once.
Not saying they weren't bad, the the best is a huge statement. Most would say the Bad Boy Pistons from the same time period you picked are number one.
Re: Why don't the mid-late 80's Utah Jazz get talked about as an all-time great defen
[QUOTE=warriorfan;15021597]Eaton would fold Rudy Gobert like a small piece of paper and dunk his ass straight through the rim[/QUOTE]
Cant skip me!
Re: Why don't the mid-late 80's Utah Jazz get talked about as an all-time great defen
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;15021604]Were they really the best defense team at that time or are you just going by numbers? This era of the Jazz win over 47 games once.
Not saying they weren't bad, the the best is a huge statement. Most would say the Bad Boy Pistons from the same time period you picked are number one.[/QUOTE]
Cant expect much when you arr playing 4 on 5 offensively because eaton being tall and holding his arms above hos head doesnt work the same at the other end of the floor. Theres a reason their best years came after he had to retire
Re: Why don't the mid-late 80's Utah Jazz get talked about as an all-time great defen
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;15021604]Were they really the best defense team at that time or are you just going by numbers? This era of the Jazz win over 47 games once.
Not saying they weren't bad, the the best is a huge statement.[/QUOTE]
It just shows how bad their offense was. 21st ranked offense in '85 & '87, (out of 23 teams).
Below average offense in '88 & '89. Not once did they yield an average offense at least.
Re: Why don't the mid-late 80's Utah Jazz get talked about as an all-time great defen
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15021607]Cant expect much when you arr playing 4 on 5 offensively because eaton being tall and holding his arms above hos head doesnt work the same at the other end of the floor. Theres a reason their best years came after he had to retire[/QUOTE]
Or maybe you can't expect much offensive production with this guy as your head coach
[video=youtube;SqvYhOpb8ZE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqvYhOpb8ZE[/video]
Jazz offense instantly became better under Sloan. Hell, in '92 they were the #4 offense with a 35 year old Eaton starting 81 games that year.
Re: Why don't the mid-late 80's Utah Jazz get talked about as an all-time great defen
You hear more talks about the '90's Bulls in particular the '96 version being an all-time great defense.
1996 Bulls: 101.8 DRTG
League average: 107.6 DRTG
Net: +5.8
1989 Jazz: 101.5 DRTG
League Average: 107.8 DRTG
Net: +6.3
'89 Jazz > '96 Bulls?
Utah's defense seemed better. Chicago during MJ's run were the #1 defense in only one season, in 1996. Utah under Eaton were the #1 defense in 4 different seasons.
Re: Why don't the mid-late 80's Utah Jazz get talked about as an all-time great defen
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15021618]Or maybe you can't expect much offensive production with this guy as your head coach
[video=youtube;SqvYhOpb8ZE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqvYhOpb8ZE[/video]
Jazz offense instantly became better under Sloan. Hell, in '92 they were the #4 offense with a 35 year old Eaton starting 81 games that year.[/QUOTE]
The best offense i ever saw from them was under the comedian as the out ran showtime in the 88 playoffs. Stockton with thurl and malone running alongside while eaton stayed at one end of the floor using his great skill to hold his arms above his head.
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Looking at the rosters the biggestvdifference i see between 91-92 and the previous yearbis stockton finally had a backup that didnt suck. Of course they traded him. Makes sense that your ofrtg would go up if you dont suck when your hofer goes to the bench which was the case for much of his career
Re: Why don't the mid-late 80's Utah Jazz get talked about as an all-time great defen
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15021615]It just shows how bad their offense was. 21st ranked offense in '85 & '87, (out of 23 teams).
Below average offense in '88 & '89. Not once did they yield an average offense at least.[/QUOTE]
Actually makes Karl Malone look that much better, he's dropping 30+ on this terribly ranked offense.
Re: Why don't the mid-late 80's Utah Jazz get talked about as an all-time great defen
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;15021638]Actually makes Karl Malone look that much better, he's dropping 30+ on this terribly ranked offense.[/QUOTE]
Stockton had nothing to do with it :coleman:
Re: Why don't the mid-late 80's Utah Jazz get talked about as an all-time great defen
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15021643]Stockton had nothing to do with it :coleman:[/QUOTE]
Are you saying Stockton made Karl Malone?
Malone was 22/12 before Stockton was even a full-time starter.
Re: Why don't the mid-late 80's Utah Jazz get talked about as an all-time great defen
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;15021645]Are you saying Stockton made Karl Malone?
Malone was 22/12 before Stockton was even a full-time starter.[/QUOTE]
22 and 12 isnt 30 a game. Stockton was an all star on those crappy offensive teams too
