The biggest LeBron hater on YouTube just put Kobe #2 on his top 10 list

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Kobe #2
No LeBron (pretty on brand)
No Shaq

Has Giannis over Curry

Hakeem in the top 5 over Russell & Wilt.

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Kobe #2
No LeBron (pretty on brand)
No Shaq

Has Giannis over Curry

Hakeem in the top 5 over Russell & Wilt.

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Giannis can defend, do more on a basketball court than Steph can.

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Putting Kobe at #2 is about as dumb as putting Lebron at #2.




And not nearly as retarded as putting LeShrivel at #1.

Hakeem isn't better than Wilt & Russell?

He's not as historically significant, but he's definitely better.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15038349]Hakeem isn't better than Wilt & Russell?

He's not as historically significant, but he's definitely better.[/QUOTE]

Peak wise you could make the case. But he also couldn't get out the first round 5 years in a row during his prime. Other all-time greats would never hear the end of it if that was the case for them.

Not sure how you could have Hakeem top 5 and not even have Shaq in the top 10.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038369]Peak wise you could make the case. But he also couldn't get out the first round 5 years in a row during his prime. Other all-time greats would never hear the end of it if that was the case for them.

Not sure how you could have Hakeem top 5 and not even have Shaq in the top 10.[/QUOTE]

Bill Russell joined a team that had:

- Multiple HOF'ers
- The previous league MVP
- The greatest coach of his generation

We both know that Hakeem's career looks different if all those same things applied.

It's not fair to Russell & Wilt because they played in a more primitive era and Hakeem benefited from 20+ years of advanced knowledge, coaching and conditioning... but the facts are the facts. Dream was way more advanced and brought way more to the table.

If you were picking a team, at no point would you choose either of them before Dream. I definitely wouldn't.

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[QUOTE=Baller234;15038374]Bill Russell joined a team that had:

- Multiple HOF'ers
- The previous league MVP
- The greatest coach of his generation

We both know that Hakeem's career looks different if all those same things applied.

It's not fair to Russell & Wilt because they played in a more primitive era and Hakeem benefited from 20+ years of advanced knowledge, coaching and conditioning... but the facts are the facts. Dream was way more advanced and brought way more to the table.

If you were picking a team, at no point would you choose either of them before Dream. I definitely wouldn't.[/QUOTE]
Alot of those guys made the hall of fame because of Russell.

K.C. Jones never even made an all-star team and made the hall of fame. :oldlol:

I kinda get what he's basing it on, more on pure skill/talent/ability and not as much on career resume. In that case, I mean sure Hakeem Olajuwon is as skilled as any center to have ever played. It wouldn't be the top 10 I would pick, but I do like that he gives Duncan and Hakeem their props.

[QUOTE=Soundwave;15038390]I kinda get what he's basing it on, more on pure skill/talent/ability and not as much on career resume. In that case, I mean sure Hakeem Olajuwon is as skilled as any center to have ever played. It wouldn't be the top 10 I would pick, but I do like that he gives Duncan and Hakeem their props.[/QUOTE]

The problem with that approach is that it removes an obvious component: cognition. Basketball IQ, awareness, decision-making; how you think about the game heavily influences the choices you make on the court. For all of Hakeem's skill, he was lacking between the ears and as a result continually displayed poor shot selection and weak passing reads.

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;15038394]The problem with that approach is that it removes an obvious component: cognition. Basketball IQ, awareness, decision-making; how you think about the game heavily influences the choices you make on the court. For all of Hakeem's skill, he was lacking between the ears and as a result continually displayed poor shot selection and weak passing reads.[/QUOTE]

Processing ability and processing speed can get under looked a lot of the time.

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;15038394]The problem with that approach is that it removes an obvious component: cognition. Basketball IQ, awareness, decision-making; how you think about the game heavily influences the choices you make on the court. For all of Hakeem's skill, he was lacking between the ears and as a result continually displayed poor shot selection and weak passing reads.[/QUOTE]

Shaq & Duncan were for sure better overall passers than Hakeem.

2000-2005 Shaq would occasional drop some very nice dimes, I remember Wade saying he was surprised at how good of a passer Shaq was when he joined Miami.

I value Hakeem's peak extremely high, but I feel many people overlook the bad of his career and ignore some of his shortcomings.

Hakeem's stock was at an all time low in '91 and '92, he wasn't producing. Forget David Robinson, pretty much everyone ranked Ewing ahead of Hakeem during those seasons.

You're gonna tell me you had 2 centers better than you at one point during your prime, but still be considered a top 5 player ever? lol, no way.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038406]Shaq & Duncan were for sure better overall passers than Hakeem.

2000-2005 Shaq would occasional drop some very nice dimes, I remember Wade saying he was surprised at how good of a passer Shaq was when he joined Miami.

I value Hakeem's peak extremely high, but I feel many people overlook the bad of his career and ignore some of his shortcomings.

Hakeem's stock was at an all time low in '91 and '92, he wasn't producing. Forget David Robinson, pretty much everyone ranked Ewing ahead of Hakeem during those seasons.

You're gonna tell me you had 2 centers better than you at one point during your prime, but still be considered a top 5 player ever? lol, no way.[/QUOTE]

Lebron had three players better than him in his prime. Kawhi, Curry, and Durant. I do agree with you though. Neither he nor Hakeem are top 5 all time.

[QUOTE=Full Court;15038414]Lebron had three players better than him in his prime. Kawhi, Curry, and Durant. I do agree with you though. Neither he nor Hakeem are top 5 all time.[/QUOTE]

No player was better than LeBron from 2009-2018.

2019 goes to Kawhi. LeBron got injured that year. 2020 goes to LeBron.

Curry was better than LeBron in 2021, but LeBron wasn't at his best anymore. He was 36 years old by then.

Hakeem was in his late 20's when Ewing had surpassed him as a player for a bit.