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NBA Players Union vs Washington Wizards. 4th of July fireworks could come soon.
[I]Get ya popcorn[/I] - [B]T.Owens[/B]
Doesnt he still need to be convicted though ?
Not funny anymore is it, Gil?
Hopefully he gets the maximum.
[QUOTE=oh the horror]Doesnt he still need to be convicted though ?[/QUOTE]
yes. he is merely charged.
doesn't mean he will get convicted.
most likely he will cop a plea without jail time and a BUNCH of community service (means nothing, since the NBA makes them do it anyways).
No sympathy here. He dug his own grave.
So Wiz will now def try to void his $$$
So they can go for the void, after he has been only charged?
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[QUOTE=oh the horror]So they can go for the void, after he has been only charged?[/QUOTE]
I think the Wizards will void his contract anyway because they don't want to be associated with him. He will be a free agent after 500 hours of community service and proceed to sign with the Lakers for under $1 million.
[QUOTE=oh the horror]So they can go for the void, after he has been only charged?[/QUOTE]
i'd assume he has to be convicted of a felony, which is likely, although I don't know what degree felony this is. If its a low end, it could reasonably get bumped down to a misdemeanor.
[QUOTE=cotdt]I think the Wizards will void his contract anyway because they don't want to be associated with him. He will be a free agent and sign with the Lakers for under $1 million.[/QUOTE]
would be a sweet pick up for the lakes.
Geez, when did simply the owning of a gun become the worst crime imaginable? Isn't USING a gun the crime?
Yet, if he lived in the country and had guns for hunting, it would be perfectly fine. Or if he simply had a license, then its all good.
Calm down, everyone. No one got hurt. Everything's ok. Take it easy on the guy......
"Throw the book at him....":rolleyes:
[QUOTE=bagelred]Geez, when did simply the owning of a gun become the worst crime imaginable? Isn't USING a gun the crime?
Yet, if he lived in the country and had guns for hunting, it would be perfectly fine. Or if he simply had a license, then its all good.
Calm down, everyone. No one got hurt. Everything's ok. Take it easy on the guy......
"Throw the book at him....":rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Dude are you purposely not getting it, to annoy people?
[QUOTE=oh the horror]Doesnt he still need to be convicted though ?[/QUOTE]
Saw on espn news he will plead guilty and not have to serve time behind bars. And Wash can attempt to void his contract if convicted of a felony. Now would they win such a battle? I dont know. NBA Players union is ready to rumble!
I dont think Spreewell contract was voided after he choked PJ right? Think they tried and lost. It'll be interesting.
[QUOTE=bagelred]Geez, when did simply the owning of a gun become the worst crime imaginable? Isn't USING a gun the crime?
Yet, if he lived in the country and had guns for hunting, it would be perfectly fine. Or if he simply had a license, then its all good.
Calm down, everyone. No one got hurt. Everything's ok. Take it easy on the guy......
"Throw the book at him....":rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Uh huh. So let me guess...he could not afford the license to carry the gun legally, right?
Poor Gil, he needed to guns for protection but doesn't make the money to own them legally. I guess that is what happens when you "leave money on the table" when signing a contract.
[QUOTE=oh the horror]Dude are you purposely not getting it, to annoy people?[/QUOTE]
No, I don't get it. You have it ingrained in your head that the simple ownership of a gun is terrible. I think the use of a gun to hurt someone is terrible. The guns weren't even loaded.
Why don't you read up on Switzerland and gun ownership. Everyone owns guns there and the crime rate is extremely low.
Maybe you should question your assumptions.
[QUOTE=bagelred]Geez, when did simply the owning of a gun become the worst crime imaginable? Isn't USING a gun the crime?
Yet, if he lived in the country and had guns for hunting, it would be perfectly fine. Or if he simply had a license, then its all good.
Calm down, everyone. No one got hurt. Everything's ok. Take it easy on the guy......
"Throw the book at him....":rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
I would much rather live next to a r@pist or child molester...
Thats much more safe then a guy that hides his unloaded guns in a locker!!
[QUOTE=bagelred]No, I don't get it. You have it ingrained in your head that the simple ownership of a gun is terrible. I think the use of a gun to hurt someone is terrible. The guns weren't even loaded.
Why don't you read up on Switzerland and gun ownership. Everyone owns guns there and the crime rate is extremely low.
Maybe you should question your assumptions.[/QUOTE]
You must have hit your head getting out of bed this morning. Do you sleep with rocks inside your pillows or something? Owning a gun requires a certain degree of responsibility, a license to own or carry should not be considered too difficult or unreasonable. If you can't do such a simple thing then you have no business having a gun in your hand.
I'll never understand the fascination between entertainers and fire arms. Not only that, but the "need" to own lots of them.
[QUOTE=GOBB]Saw on espn news he will plead guilty and not have to serve time behind bars. And Wash can attempt to void his contract if convicted of a felony. Now would they win such a battle? I dont know. NBA Players union is ready to rumble!
I dont think Spreewell contract was voided after he choked PJ right? Think they tried and lost. It'll be interesting.[/QUOTE]
choking PJ isn't a felony
[QUOTE=KelticForce1349]You must have hit your head getting out of bed this morning. Do you sleep with rocks inside your pillows or something? Owning a gun requires a certain degree of responsibility, a license to own or carry should not be considered too difficult or unreasonable. If you can't do such a simple thing then you have no business having a gun in your hand.[/QUOTE]
No, I get it. And Arenas should be punished for not obtaining a proper license. We get that. But you think he should be charged with a felony and go to jail for years for it? I don't.
No one was hurt. No one was threatened. No one was in any danger. The guns weren't loaded. Isn't that what we care about most?
[QUOTE=GOBB]Saw on espn news he will plead guilty and not have to serve time behind bars. And Wash can attempt to void his contract if convicted of a felony. Now would they win such a battle? I dont know. NBA Players union is ready to rumble!
I dont think Spreewell contract was voided after he choked PJ right? Think they tried and lost. It'll be interesting.[/QUOTE]
choking PJ is not the same as a felony conviction. The morals clause clearly covers this and the players union can go to hell. The union was designed to protect the innocent from the bully boss not the stupid guilty from being correctly fired.
[QUOTE=bagelred]No, I get it. And Arenas should be punished for not obtaining a proper license. We get that. But you think he should be charged with a felony and go to jail for years for it? I don't.
No one was hurt. No one was threatened. No one was in any danger. The guns weren't loaded. Isn't that what we care about most?[/QUOTE]
you are either playing stupid and doing a great job of it or you really are stupid. He took the guns to his place of work and set them out in a public place. This is against the law. If you took your guns to the Mc donalds you work at they would call the cops, have you locked up and then fire you. This is NO DIFFERENT.
[QUOTE=bagelred]No one was hurt. [/QUOTE] OK
[QUOTE=bagelred]No one was threatened. [/QUOTE] How do you know?
[QUOTE=bagelred]No one was in any danger. [/QUOTE] You sure about that?
[QUOTE=bagelred] The guns weren't loaded. Isn't that what we care about most?[/QUOTE] Uh. I care that he showed poor judgement and broke the law. And then acted like a fool.
If he'd put a fake bomb in the arena would that be OK with you? No explosives, right? It might be illegal, but nobody would be "hurt."
I think you're being contrarian just for giggles. Go rock back and forth and think of your dream team of Kenyon Martin and Eddy Curry.
Wow, that was pretty mean of them.
I'm sure Arenas agrees.
icemanfan for the win.
i'm guessing it's not dirty or he would be f*cked right now...
The basic thing about it is that having an unlicensed firearm on you, or your person is illegal. End of story. Gilbert could have obtained a license to carry, but didnt want to. Because hes thug life.
Now, step two of this...is that he brought these weapons to his place of work. That would be fu*k up number two.
These things are not allowed. We can argue WHY it should, or shouldnt be allowed, but this is the way it is.
Laws are in place, just in case someone comes along that actually DOES hurt someone.
[QUOTE=33teeth]OK
How do you know?
You sure about that?
Uh. I care that he showed poor judgement and broke the law. And then acted like a fool.
If he'd put a fake bomb in the arena would that be OK with you? No explosives, right? It might be illegal, but nobody would be "hurt."
I think you're being contrarian just for giggles. Go rock back and forth and think of your dream team of Kenyon Martin and Eddy Curry.[/QUOTE]
Hmmmm.....well, from everything we know about the incident, no one was hurt, no one was threatened with injury, and no one was in danger. Based on the information made public to us right?
He broke the law. OK. He had a gun in his possession without a license. OK. I guess we disagree about the severity of the crime, right?
Putting a fake bomb would cause a panic situation, injury, etc. Clearly, this is highly illegal and more dangerous.
I'm being contrarian because I think the media is overreacting and making him public enemy #1. Society puts it in our head that what Arenas just did was an absolute awful crime. I don't think so. It's against the law and should be punished for not having proper licenses......but the mere possession of a gun isn't the worst crime imaginable.
Why not read up on Switzerland, like I said. People carry guns AROUND with them. It's perfectly legal. And the crime rate is low. Something to think about it.
What GA did was more stupid than anything else. Storing them in your locker in arena? Its just dumb....but his stupidity doesn't mean he should be put in jail for 3 years.....
[QUOTE=icemanfan]choking PJ is not the same as a felony conviction. The morals clause clearly covers this and the players union can go to hell. The union was designed to protect the innocent from the bully boss not the stupid guilty from being correctly fired.[/QUOTE]
It does? Didnt know that. I still dont know of a players contract being voided. I guess it will depend on the arbitrator and how they feel about guns.
[QUOTE=PleezeBelieve]Wow, that was pretty mean of them.
I'm sure Arenas agrees.[/QUOTE]
:D
[QUOTE=bagelred]No, I get it. And Arenas should be punished for not obtaining a proper license. We get that. But you think he should be charged with a felony and go to jail for years for it? I don't.
No one was hurt. No one was threatened. No one was in any danger. The guns weren't loaded. Isn't that what we care about most?[/QUOTE]
Anytime you are dealing with firearms, you have to take extra pre cautions. I don't care if you think its loaded or not, you don't mess around with guns. What if took out the clips, but forgot to take the bullet out of the chamber? Just because he had no intention of shooting anyone, his carelessness could have killed someone.
Saying "no one was hurt" excuse is BS. Fact is, someone could have been hurt if he was careless and forgot to unload the chamber. You do know there have been many cases where people were fcuking around with a supposedly unloaded gun only to realize it was loaded and they killed someone, right?
I'm not sure if you have ever even fired or handled a gun before. Anyone who has knows the safety precautions you take when handling a gun, and take it very seriously. Making jokes and playing games with them is not what you do. People die because people are careless or joking around.
well its also important to note that he didn't have a license to carry the weapon....
[QUOTE=bagelred]Hmmmm.....well, from everything we know about the incident, no one was hurt, no one was threatened with injury, and no one was in danger. Based on the information made public to us right?
He broke the law. OK. He had a gun in his possession without a license. OK. I guess we disagree about the severity of the crime, right?
Putting a fake bomb would cause a panic situation, injury, etc. Clearly, this is highly illegal and more dangerous.
I'm being contrarian because I think the media is overreacting and making him public enemy #1. Society puts it in our head that what Arenas just did was an absolute awful crime. I don't think so. It's against the law and should be punished for not having proper licenses......but the mere possession of a gun isn't the worst crime imaginable.
Why not read up on Switzerland, like I said. People carry guns AROUND with them. It's perfectly legal. And the crime rate is low. Something to think about it.
What GA did was more stupid than anything else. Storing them in your locker in arena? Its just dumb....but his stupidity doesn't mean he should be put in jail for 3 years.....[/QUOTE]
no, i dont think he should get 3 years but he should be charged with a felony because you and i would be charged with a felony, so arenas should be too. i doubt he gets 3 years.
the punishment often seems harsh for individuals and individual situation - because the purpose is to be a deterent. I have seen in my life guns pulled out for really stupid **** because people were angry and went to get their guns. thats the purpose of the gun laws, to make it difficult for those people to obtain guns, to weed out the irresponsible people as best as you can.
so why i agree 3 years would be harsh he'll probably get allowed to plead down. but im not losing any sleep over him getting punished, this is not a unavoidable crime, its arenas jsut getting punished for what has been a lifetime of him acting like a shmuck.
people call him to to jail for 5 years are idiots. How much does that cause the state? do you REALLY think he needs to be rehabilitated for 5 years? I honestly think that he learned his lesson from all this.
[QUOTE=ihatetimthomas]Anytime you are dealing with firearms, you have to take extra pre cautions. I don't care if you think its loaded or not, you don't mess around with guns. What if took out the clips, but forgot to take the bullet out of the chamber? Just because he had no intention of shooting anyone, his carelessness could have killed someone.
Saying "no one was hurt" excuse is BS. Fact is, someone could have been hurt if he was careless and forgot to unload the chamber. You do know there have been many cases where people were fcuking around with a supposedly unloaded gun only to realize it was loaded and they killed someone, right?
I'm not sure if you have ever even fired or handled a gun before. Anyone who has knows the safety precautions you take when handling a gun, and take it very seriously. Making jokes and playing games with them is not what you do. People die because people are careless or joking around.[/QUOTE]
Totally agree with everything you just said.
So you think Arenas should go to jail for years for this?
[QUOTE=niko]no, i dont think he should get 3 years but he should be charged with a felony because you and i would be charged with a felony, so arenas should be too. i doubt he gets 3 years.
the punishment often seems harsh for individuals and individual situation - because the purpose is to be a deterent. I have seen in my life guns pulled out for really stupid **** because people were angry and went to get their guns. thats the purpose of the gun laws, to make it difficult for those people to obtain guns, to weed out the irresponsible people as best as you can.
so why i agree 3 years would be harsh he'll probably get allowed to plead down. but im not losing any sleep over him getting punished, this is not a unavoidable crime, its arenas jsut getting punished for what has been a lifetime of him acting like a shmuck.[/QUOTE]
So its not the guns itself. Its the people who are irresponsible about guns.
Again, in Switzerland, everyone is allowed to own and even carry guns around with them. Doesn't seem to be a problem. So really its only AMERICANS who can't be trusted with gun ownership. Is that the case? Maybe that's just it then.......
You can tell people don't have guns because they don't see the utter ridiculousness of this situation.