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Illinois basketball fans
Since UConn got one I figured we should get one too.
Any Illini fan or college basketball fan feel free to post your opinions and any information about Illinois on this thread.
I feel that this year will not be as strong a year as we have been having recently but will quickly turn around next season with the addition of Gordon, McCamey, and hopefully Rose. We got a solid big man this season in Freshman Brian Carlwell to add to a good roster which includes Jamar Smith, Rich McBride, Shaun Pruitt, Brain Randle, and Chester Frazier (bit of a Dee Brown resemblance here). Hopefully we can make this a memorable season and make a good run in the tournament. :cheers:
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i know this team now is not as strong as the team we had in the past few years but hopefully we can still be one of the top teams in the big 10.....i really thought that calvin brock was gonna be something when illinois recruited him but coach weber hardly uses him......hopefully, that eric gordon kid won't change his mind about going to illinois........
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I've said all along that if we even get servicable PG play from Meacham and/or Frazier, there's no reason we shouldn't be good again. I think we could be better offensively this year because we've got four good players returning in the same roles, albeit expanded, that they were in last year.
The '05-'06 Illini had zero players who were returning in a role they were in before; Dee had never been the point guard, Augie had never been a featured scorer, Randle, Pruitt and McBride had never been starters and had played very little, period, and Jamar and Frazier were freshmen. Even though we lose Dee and Augie, the last links to the 37-2 team, we enter this year with more continuity. I think Pruitt, Randle, McBride and Jamar all have a great opportunity to blossom into big-time players with the knowledge that we need them to score. All of them were outstanding at certain times last year, when we weren't over-reliant on Dee.
I think an X-factor for this team could be Rich Semrau. He was a Top 50 recruit with other offers from Florida, Wake and Kentucky before last summer, when he was injured and- from what I've read- badly misused by his AAU coach. He's 6'9", 225, is a terrific shooter, good rebounder, and moves very well. I think he could make as big of an impact as a freshman as Jamar Smith did.
Off-topic......
Are either of you guys actually excited for Illinois football? This is the first time in four years that I have been. Not that we'll be good, but I think we'll be a lot better (I think 5-7 is realistic) and more fun to watch. I just can't believe the kind of recruits Zook is getting; a Top 25-rated class [I]before[/I] all the analysts knew we had Jeff Cumberland and Melvin Alaeze. Alaeze, Justin Sanders and Antonio Steele immediately make our defense better, but our D-line will still pretty much suck (at least the tackles).
But guys like Juice Williams, Chris James, Cumberland, Alaeze, Rakheem Smith, Vontae Davis...that's the kind of recruiting class you eventually win conference championships with. Here's hoping Zook keeps it going in '07 with commits from Robert Hughes, Josh Brent, and Martez Wilson. These are the kind of guys that Turner, with few exceptions, could only dream of.
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I have never really followed Illini football as closely as basketball, especially since we've been one of the worst in the nation. But, from what you're saying things are starting to look better. Maybe we'll be big ten champs again in a couple years. Good point about the whole basketball line up and how we will have several returning players. I am especially excited about Brian Randle and how he will do this season.
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The big thing for Randle, obviously, is how much his jumper develops. I think he's shown signs of a respectable midrange jumper, but if he can start knocking down outside shots, the sky is absolutely the limit for him.
Even if he doesn't become a respectable outside shooter whatsoever, he's capable of being a 12-14 ppg scorer simply because of his athletic ability: breakaways, alley-oops, taking people off the dribble, putbacks. If he stays out of foul trouble
As far as his NBA future and his personal development as a player, Randle's jumper is a major point of concern, but with one of the nation's best 1-2 punches in terms of three-point shooting with Smith and McBride (and with Meacham, who hit over 40% of his threes at Dayton two years ago, and Semrau, it could be an excellent three-point shooting team, period), we don't [I]need[/I] Randle to be a good shooter. It's just that if he became one, he might be one of the best players in the country.
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Yeah, Ive always saw him as similar to Rudy Gay with out all that hype. It's not like Rudy Gay has that great of a shot either.
Anyway Brian Randle had a couple of crazy dunks this season check em out...
[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=LR-UeEPXGsc[/url]
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Entertaining as always boys.
My guess is that you guys will dominate in football and basketball.
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TheGame i love the eric gordon avatar, i got a chance to play against him this year he's nasty
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well this thread died out fast...guess it would be a better idea to start it up some time in January when the games get started. Or maybe if the football team is decent for once and according to thegame we shouldnt be the laughing stock of Big Ten any more...we can talk about how we killed Ohio State!: :D
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illini football
just wondering how rashad mendenhall is doing? or how you think he's gonna do for illini? he's there rb, he was supposed to be something special... but haven't heard anything of him yet, i've seen him take a couple of snaps in a couple of games but he looked dissapointing. anyone?
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[QUOTE]Entertaining as always boys.[/QUOTE]Thank you, thank you.
[QUOTE]My guess is that you guys will dominate in football and basketball.[/QUOTE]Vegas has even odds on what happens first: an Illinois football bowl win or a Kansas 1st-round basketball victory.
*Da-da-dum!*
I'll be here all week, folks! Be sure to tip your waitress!
Unfortunately for me, the odds on the White Sox rotation going all the way through with five straight quality starts is 400-1. And even worse, I'd refuse to put even so much as 10 bucks down for those odds.
[QUOTE]just wondering how rashad mendenhall is doing? or how you think he's gonna do for illini? he's there rb, he was supposed to be something special... but haven't heard anything of him yet, i've seen him take a couple of snaps in a couple of games but he looked dissapointing. anyone?[/QUOTE]Rashard has as much natural ability as any running back Illinois has had in a long time. Definitely in my lifetime, at least (though Ty Douthard, if anyone remembers him...probably not...is one of my biggest personal disappointments as an Illini fan, because I thought he had star written all over him).
He has the size, speed and skills to be an NFL franchise back. That's why he was one of the top 25-50 players in the nation as a HS senior, after all.
Then again, lots of guys have those kinds of abilities never end up amounting to much.
He didn't do much as a freshman, but then again, he played the one and only position on the team that actually had depth with quality players. Pierre Thomas is an absolute stud who would be an All-American if he was on a good team, and E.B. Halsey, though I'm not a fan of the way he runs at all, is a versatile back.
I think Rashard's gonna be a terrific back, but I'm cautiously optimistic. He's still been inconsistent in training camp, according to the coaches, but he was awesome in the scrimmage. As much as I like the way Pierre runs (for those who've never seen Pierre Thomas carry the ball, he's absolutely relentless), Mendenhall is bigger and more of a physical specimen and has an extra gear, that the elite backs have, that Pierre doesn't quite have.
I personally hope Halsey gets phased out of the offense, or at least gets utilized more as a slot receiver/punt returner and little else, because the ball really needs to be in Pierre's hands 20 times a game, and Rashard's hands at least 15 times a game, too. If USC can find a way to get LenDale White and Reggie Bush each the ball often enough, then I'd like to think we can get Pierre and Rashard each the ball often enough. They're as dangerous as any RBs in the Big Ten, and with Millington and Myles at LT and RT now, we should have a good enough O-line for them to do some damage.
I just hope he learns something in his last year playing with Pierre Thomas. If he learns to run with the same ruthlessness, he'll be a superstar. Combined with Juice Williams, Jeff Cumberland, Chris James, and Derrick McPhearson- and, I once again pray, Arrelious Benn and Robert Hughes- the '07 and '08 Illini could be real, real hard to stop from scoring.
It's hard to get over-the-top excited considering how bad we've been since 2001, but Zook is compiling the type of athletes we haven't had in quite some time.
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[QUOTE]TheGame i love the eric gordon avatar, i got a chance to play against him this year he's nasty[/QUOTE]He's the best high school shooting guard I've seen in a long time. Granted, I don't get to see everyone. But that kind of scoring ability, combined with the all-around intensity he brings to every facet of the game- rebounding, defending, etc- well, there's a reason everyone has him ranked No. 2 or even No. 1 overall in the nation now.
[QUOTE=IlliniFan] Or maybe if the football team is decent for once and according to thegame we shouldnt be the laughing stock of Big Ten any more...we can talk about how we killed Ohio State!: :D[/QUOTE]Let's not get it twisted....I'm looking forward to the OSU game, but that's because they may be the No. 1 team in the nation and I can't wait to see Troy Smith and Ted Ginn in person. (That's the great thing about Illinois football...even though we've sucked most of my life, I still get to see future NFL stars in person every season. They just play for the other teams.)
Don't know if we'll climb out of "laughingstock" status quite yet, but I'm confident that Zook has the program pointed in the right direction, and we [I]should[/I] be better. Hey, if Penn State can go from 4-7 to 11-1, in large part because of big contributions from freshmen playmakers, I see no reason we can't at least go from "awful" to "halfway respectable."
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Ive always heard that we have had great running backs, yet we dont hear much about their accomplishments. I think its cuz our offensive line is pretty horrible. I was joking about beating ohio state lol. Oh, and werent we big ten champs in 2000-2001...it seems like such a long time ago now. :cry:
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Pierre's actually put up pretty good numbers in his career at 5.6 yards a carry, it's just that he doesn't get the ball 20 times a game like he should because not one, but two coaching staffs inexplicably have decided that E.B. Halsey needs to have the ball as many times as Pierre.
As far as our O-line...should be the best it's been in five years. Akim Millington's a stud who was a starter on Oklahoma before transferring, and Charles Myles, who moved to offense late last year, is just as big and athletic as Akim, just not experienced. If Martin O'Donnell ever starts living up to his high school hype (he was a Parade All-American), it could be a quality line.
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Its not the offense that im worried about really. Our defense has been horrible...We always get down by 40 and teams start putting in their backups on offense. Its really embarassing. I actually got excited when we won our first 2 games but that quickly faded when we lost the rest. I think one of teams we beat was good. Rutgers? i dont know.
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Illinois '07. Enjoying my senior year to the best of my abilities.
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^^^
You'll be enjoying it without Derrick Rose. He eliminated you guys from his list. Stil has Kansas, Depaul, Indiana, Memphis, and UCLA. Good luck to the remaining 5 schools.
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Anyone who's been paying attention has known for at least a month that Illinois was out of the picture. I was hanging on to that last shred of hope that we weren't, but not by much. Anyway, it is absolutely zero coincidence that all five of the schools he's considering are adidas schools. The Illinois staff did all they could, but changing our shoe company from Nike to adidas isn't something they can do.
If anyone thinks that's "sour grapes" or anything of the sort, you're being very, very naive about college basketball recruiting. I'm not upset about this, in part because I think the roster we'll have in 2008 is capable of winning a national title with or without Rose. Unfortunately, I think the Illinois staff is somewhat naive about it too, which significantly reduces our chances of ever getting guys like Rose or Collins. However, whenever handlers like Reggie Rose or Anthony Longstreet are involved, there's a price to pay for their services, one way or another. Part of me wishes our staff would accept the realities of college basketball and play that game. Part of me can't blame them for not going down that road.
The only thing that worries me about that list is Indiana being on it- let the Rose and Gordon to Indiana rumors begin- but again, no surprise. It's one of adidas's highest-profile programs. All things considered, I'll still be surprised if it's anyone besides Memphis.
On another note regarding Indiana, this shirt is pretty funny (yes, I bought one):
[IMG]http://rdr.zazzle.com/img/imt-prd/pd-235035960839178825/isz-m/tl-888%2DIU%2DKELVIN+t%2Dshirt+for+Illinois+fans.jpg[/IMG]
The back reads: "IU basketball: Please call us....we can't call you."
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[QUOTE=IlliniFan]Its not the offense that im worried about really. Our defense has been horrible...We always get down by 40 and teams start putting in their backups on offense. Its really embarassing. I actually got excited when we won our first 2 games but that quickly faded when we lost the rest. I think one of teams we beat was good. Rutgers? i dont know.[/QUOTE]Well, the good news, I guess, is that after ranking at or near the bottom in the nation in almost every defensive stat, there truly is nowhere to go but up.
We've signficantly upgraded our speed and athleticism on defense with the '06 class, maybe even moreso than offense. Juco transfers Justin Sanders (safety) and Antonio Steele (linebacker) have already earned starting jobs and will immediately make our defense better. I hope Melvin Alaeze (DE) gets his NCAA Clearinghouse stuff taken care of quickly and can get on the field, because he's a beast. He's capable of being a contributor immediately, and it all starts up front, so not having him would suck. Doubly so, because or DTs are gonna suck, still.
So with Justin Sanders and Justin Harrison, I feel good about our safeties, but the big wildcard to me is whether or not any of the stud freshmen CBs can contribute this year. It's a hard position to play as a freshman; I've been hearing good things about Vontae Davis, though.
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I don't want a player that doesn't like Nike.
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Meh. I wouldn't say that...I'd still take Derrick Rose under most (not all...we aren't win-at-all-costs-no-matter-how-shady Memphis) circumstances. But like I said, even though I can't say I'd operate the same way if I was a college coach (then again, I don't have a moral compass and I'm definitely going to hell, if there is one), I can't blame our coaching staff for not playing that game. It's a slippery slope. As long as we can get the occasional superstar like Eric Gordon every few years, along with consistently getting very solid (if not spectacular) 3-4 year guys like Pruitt, Semrau, Carlwell, McCamey, etc, Illinois basketball is always going to be in the national picture.
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I hope someone, someday, years from now, writes a book about the Derrick Rose recruitment. It's one of the most compelling sagas I've ever followed in sports. Unfortunately, it also shows how shady the world of big-time amateur basketball- high school, AAU and college- is, but we already knew that.
This also shows that if you pay close enough attention and have the ability to filter the BS from the legit stuff, that even with a recruitment like Derrick Rose's, you can figure out what's going on no matter how dumb they play with the media. A month ago at an alumni event in Chicago, Steve Bardo (former Illini player, former Illini color commentator, now with ESPN) told everyone to forget about Derrick Rose. I think it's fairly clear that Weber leaked that to him. There's been smoke coming out of Memphis for months and months. We've also heard for a long time that it wasn't Derrick's decision, that Reggie was handling his recruitment. Hell, Derrick himself acknowledged the latter part of that; it isn't like he was going to flat-out say that he wasn't making the decision, but he definitely wasn't. Before the Memphis stuff starting surfacing, his two favorite schools- not the two favorites in the recruitment, not the schools winning Reggie's bidding wars- were Illinois and North Carolina, and not necessarily in that order.
UNC stopped recruiting Rose a long time ago, and it's now obvious why.
Call me nuts, but I don't see them switching brands any time soon. They're North freakin' Carolina and can quit recruiting whoever they want whenever they want, because they can go get someone else just as good. Even when we're talking about Derrick Rose. If that means they hold the schollie so they can go get both Tyreke Evans and Delvon Roe in '08, well, I think they're willing to do so.
Illinois can't do that. Aside from UNC, only Duke, and possibly Kansas, are in a position to do that if they so desire. Just completely walk away from a talent like Rose. Anyone else, especially the home school that badly wants the top in-state guy...we couldn't quit no matter how stacked the deck was. Sure, we could've had Alex Tyus had we walked away from Reggie's games, but as talented as he may be, you can always find guys like Tyus. Our staff apparently thinks Mike Tisdale is a better player than Tyus anyway, and I think for good reason.
I also wonder if the "done deal" everyone was talking about a month ago wasn't specifically with Memphis, but just with adidas, period. If it was with Memphis, why not just commit to Memphis? Then again, nothing about this makes a whole lot of sense, except the money, and anyone who's paid any attention knows to pay any mind to anything out of Reggie Rose's mouth.
If adidas has as much say in this as I think they do, I don't see why they wouldn't want him at UCLA, with Kevin Love. Talk about hype.
Well...let's go get A.J. Stewart- or hell, Dar Tucker. This can still be a blockbuster class (not like it ain't already a damn good one).
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Speaking of Darquavis Tucker, he was in Champaign this weekend on an unofficial. Good news, I suppose. He was supposedly a lock for Louisville a few months back, but appears wide open at the moment. With Rose out of the picture, I could certainly see us getting in the picture for Tucker, as he's a likely candidate to be our No. 1 target for the remaining '08 scholarship. I hear he and Gordon are friends.
One of the nation's top 2008 PGs, Anthony Crater, was also in Champaign this weekend. It would come as quite the surprise if he chose someone besides Ohio State, but Illinois is now reportedly his second-favorite school (if that matters...like I said, the kid is OSU-bound).
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I guess its ok that Rose isn't coming. McCamey is listed as a pg anyway...and I don'y think anyone here cares that you're a gopher fan..especially since we're gona kick their ass again this year. (in basketball) About Tucker though...scout.com says he has no interest in Illinois. [url]http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=192&p=8&c=1&nid=1313138[/url]
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Scout.com profiles are hardly a reliable source of information, even if they aren't out of date- which they usually are.
Who knows what Tucker's real interest level is in Illinois, but he was on the campus this weekend. And with a scholarship no longer being held for Derrick Rose, our interest level in him is likely to pick up.
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[QUOTE=IlliniFan]I guess its ok that Rose isn't coming. McCamey is listed as a pg anyway...and I don'y think anyone here cares that you're a gopher fan..especially since we're gona kick their ass again this year. (in basketball) About Tucker though...scout.com says he has no interest in Illinois. [url]http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=192&p=8&c=1&nid=1313138[/url][/QUOTE]
Illinois is a joke. Seriously, this team ain't ready to compete. They need to add solid players!!!! I also hate their colors. Orange, White and black ain't a good color mix expect for black which is my favourite color in the whole wide world. So until Illnois could fix up those problems, maybe than i'll look into them. But for now, i rather eat an expired apple pie than watch this team play.
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I guess its ok that Rose isn't coming. McCamey is listed as a pg anyway...and I don'y think anyone here cares that you're a gopher fan..especially since we're gona kick their ass again this year. (in basketball) About Tucker though...scout.com says he has no interest in Illinois. [url]http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=192&p=8&c=1&nid=1313138[/url]
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Illiniifan, usually when you create a username that's meant to confuse people into thinking it's someone else's, you say something interesting instead of just copying a previous post.
[quote]Illinois is a joke. Seriously, this team ain't ready to compete. They need to add solid players!!!! I also hate their colors. Orange, White and black ain't a good color mix expect for black which is my favourite color in the whole wide world. So until Illnois could fix up those problems, maybe than i'll look into them. But for now, i rather eat an expired apple pie than watch this team play.[/quote]And I had to learn from a retarded kid on the internet Illinois no longer wore orange and blue.
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Apparently, me starting this thread got me a negative rep...The comment? I hate Illinois. There is no reason to leave rep if you don't like Illinois just stay out of this thread is that so hard...faceless coward. And why the hell is someone copying my name????
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I evened that out for ya.
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I can't stop laughing about the retarded kid from the previous page. Well played Game. :applause:
Anyways lets get down to buisness. Rumor has it, I repeat [B]rumor[/B]
has it, that Eric Gordon is joining Derrick Rose on a visit to Indiana. This has to be bad news for Illini fans. Hopefully there is nothing to this rumor, but there have been several meltdowns on the IB already today.
No way I see this happening but if Rose and Gordon end up at Indiana, I assume Kelvin Sampson would become one of the most despised coaches in college basketball, if he's not already. Anyway it might be nice for some of the Illini hatred to be shifted from Kansas to someplace else.
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If this rumor proves to be true, I may cry. :cry:
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If this rumor proves to be true, I may cry. :cry:
Apparently, me starting this thread got me a negative rep...The comment? I hate Illinois. There is no reason to leave rep if you don't like Illinois just stay out of this thread is that so hard...faceless coward. And why the hell is someone copying my name????
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Yeah!! 42-17! Look out Ohio State The Illini are comin through!
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Yeah!! 42-17! Look out Ohio State The Illini are comin through!