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Another commentator saying Pippen was on Jordan's level in 96.
[url]https://youtu.be/EDryId_BC3I[/url]
At some point, you Pippen haters need to admit that you're just that. A Pippen hater. Your arguments have absolutely no merit as to what the actual narrative was in 96.
Pippen was routinely considered a top 5 player in the league during the 90s. And just as valuable as MJ. Even though Jordan is the GOAT.
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Re: Another commentator saying Pippen was on Jordan's level in 96.
[QUOTE=97 bulls;14523736][url]https://youtu.be/EDryId_BC3I[/url]
At some point, you Pippen haters need to admit that you're just that. A Pippen hater. Your arguments have absolutely no merit as to what the actual narrative was in 96.
Pippen was routinely considered a top 5 player in the league during the 90s. And just as valuable as MJ. Even though Jordan is the GOAT.[/QUOTE]
Down at the pool hall talking hoops.
The agendizing people who show up on bulletin boards talking about teams and players that they obviously never watched don’t have any excuse for their foul stenchful foolishness
especially about 90s nba playoffs which film is widely and easily available to watch those games
_ B_ll in the corner pocket.
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Re: Another commentator saying Pippen was on Jordan's level in 96.
Oh no, now we have to see 3ball spam this thread nonstop like a crazy person.
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Re: Another commentator saying Pippen was on Jordan's level in 96.
Who is already flushed in the corner pocket
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Re: Another commentator saying Pippen was on Jordan's level in 96.
If Pippen was the one that took 2 years off to quit / rest up he'd be killing it and MJ would be breaking down.
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Re: Another commentator saying Pippen was on Jordan's level in 96.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14523743]Oh no, now we have to see 3ball spam this thread nonstop like a crazy person.[/QUOTE]
There's nothing to squirm out of - you guys are the ones squirming by even posting this
Of course there will be a handful of times over the course of a decade and 6 titles that someone said "Pippen is just as good as Jordan!!"
Pointing that out means nothing and represents the "squirming" that you apparently feel when discussing the massive gap between MJ and Pippen.
But rather than going by 1 in a billion statements about MJ/Pippen, the historical record of performance gap tells the story - Pippen has the lowest peak capability in a playoff series outside the 1st Round of any sidekick in the 90's (22/5), and he's the only sidekick that never led their team (never a 1b), aka carried in every series.
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Re: Another commentator saying Pippen was on Jordan's level in 96.
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Re: Another commentator saying Pippen was on Jordan's level in 96.
[QUOTE=97 bulls;14523736][url]https://youtu.be/EDryId_BC3I[/url]
At some point, you Pippen haters need to admit that you're just that. A Pippen hater. Your arguments have absolutely no merit as to what the actual narrative was in 96.
Pippen was routinely considered a top 5 player in the league during the 90s. And just as valuable as MJ. Even though Jordan is the GOAT.[/QUOTE]
Nice find. Just another piece of actual truth rather than endless defensive narratives that have been created in MJ's name. I think it would be pretty cool for current fans and stans that were too young to grasp the actual media climate of the time to learn how everything really was. Its annoying to read made up scripts 20 years later.
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[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;14523873]Nice find. Just another piece of actual truth rather than endless defensive narratives that have been created in MJ's name. I think it would be pretty cool for current fans and stans that were too young to grasp the actual media climate of the time to learn how everything really was. Its annoying to read made up scripts 20 years later.[/QUOTE]
Pippen was never reported on back then
Literally
No one paid attention to him because they knew he wasn't going to dominate
I haven't watched the clip btw. I don't worry about exceptions that prove the rule
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Re: Another commentator saying Pippen was on Jordan's level in 96.
[QUOTE=3ba11;14523874]Pippen was never reported on back then
Literally
No one paid attention to him because they knew he wasn't going to dominate
I haven't watched the clip btw. I don't worry about exceptions that prove the rule[/QUOTE]
Poor you, these things are never about what you want them to be about my man. People reported on Pippen because he was a member of the dominant team, the 2nd best player at that. So yeah he dominated. Just more cold water thrown on your stupid anti Scottie crusade.....which was retarded af to begin with, good day sir.
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Re: Another commentator saying Pippen was on Jordan's level in 96.
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[SIZE=3]Who's on who's level?[/SIZE]
[Indent][U]FINALS CAREER[/U]
Lebron..... 28 on 48%
Kyrie........ 28 on 47%
Jordan..... 34 on 48%
Pippen..... 19 on 42%[/indent]
[SIZE=3]^^^ Obviously, the narrative that Pippen is on MJ's level is far more preposterous than saying Kyrie is on Lebron's level
Saying Pippen is on MJ's level [U]is the fake news[/U][/SIZE]
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Re: Another commentator saying Pippen was on Jordan's level in 96.
[QUOTE=3ba11;14523878].
[SIZE=3]Who's on who's level?[/SIZE]
[Indent][U]FINALS CAREER[/U]
Lebron..... 28 on 48%
Kyrie........ 28 on 47%
Jordan..... 34 on 48%
Pippen..... 19 on 42%[/indent]
[SIZE=3]^^^ Obviously, the narrative that Pippen is on MJ's level is far more preposterous than saying Kyrie is on Lebron's level
Saying Pippen is on MJ's level [U]is the fake news[/U][/SIZE][/QUOTE]
Pippen was voted by ISH as a top 30 player ever, Irving wasn't even announced as a top 75 player.
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Re: Another commentator saying Pippen was on Jordan's level in 96.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14523880]Pippen was voted by ISH as a top 30 player ever, Irving wasn't even announced as a top 75 player.[/QUOTE]
Pippen is the only notable sidekick in the 90's that 1) never dominated and 2) never led the team (carried in every series)
Every other sidekick peaked above Pippen's 22/5 (dominated) and routinely led their team in many series (not always carried like Pippen)
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Re: Another commentator saying Pippen was on Jordan's level in 96.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14523880]Pippen was voted by ISH as a top 30 player ever, Irving wasn't even announced as a top 75 player.[/QUOTE]
What's the argument for Lillard over Kyrie or KJ?
They both dominated the league MVP in 90' and 16, while also making the Finals and multiple conference finals
That destroys Lillard
So you guys are all just wrong.. it happens all the time with today's media - they're wrong about literally everything
Again, anyone in the top 75 has a seminal performance like 06' Wade, 11' Dirk, 21' Giannis or 16' Kyrie... what does Pippen have?...
Pippen is the only notable sidekick in the 90's that 1) never dominated and 2) never led the team (carried in every series)
Every other notable 90's sidekick peaked above Pippen's 22/5 (dominated) and routinely led their team in many series (not always carried like Pippen)
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Re: Another commentator saying Pippen was on Jordan's level in 96.
[QUOTE=3ba11;14523878].
[SIZE=3]Who's on who's level?[/SIZE]
[Indent][U]FINALS CAREER[/U]
Lebron..... 28 on 48%
Kyrie........ 28 on 47%
Jordan..... 34 on 48%
Pippen..... 19 on 42%[/indent]
[SIZE=3]^^^ Obviously, the narrative that Pippen is on MJ's level is far more preposterous than saying Kyrie is on Lebron's level
Saying Pippen is on MJ's level [U]is the fake news[/U][/SIZE][/QUOTE]
Only because you're an Unga bunga caveman that only values scoring in a game with so many ways to contribute....
And of course in the grand scheme of things we know Pippen is not on MJ's level. But that's a snapshot of time in the 90s where maybe he was. 2nd 3peat Mj wasn't nearly as untouchable or unapproachable as 1st 3peat Mjs was, he was just a more experienced and smarter player by then. Still was my favorite version of Mj although he wasn't nearly the best version.
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[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;14523888]Only because you're an Unga bunga caveman that only values scoring in a game with so many ways to contribute....
And of course in the grand scheme of things we know Pippen is not on MJ's level. But that's a snapshot of time in the 90s where maybe he was. 2nd 3peat Mj wasn't nearly as untouchable or unapproachable as 1st 3peat Mjs was, he was just a more experienced and smarter player by then. Still was my favorite version of Mj although he wasn't nearly the best version.[/QUOTE]
Pippen averaged less apg than Jordan for their Finals career, playoff career or regular season career, and Pippen never won DPOY, while getting less DPOY votes every year than Jordan.. So it makes no difference if we include passing and defense - Pippen couldn't get more than 7 apg and was never DPOY.
And MJ was still scoring champ for the 2nd three-peat and led all the advanced categories, while Pippen averaged 17 on 41% and was horrible.
So you're just delusional about Pippen.. Jordan literally doubled this bums playoff scoring average and assisted 30% more often
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[QUOTE=3ba11;14523885]What's the argument for Lillard over Kyrie or KJ?
They both dominated the league MVP in 90' and 16, while also making the Finals and multiple conference finals
That destroys Lillard
So you guys are all just wrong.. it happens all the time with today's media - they're wrong about literally everything
Again, anyone in the top 75 has a seminal performance like 06' Wade, 11' Dirk, 21' Giannis or 16' Kyrie... what does Pippen have?...
Pippen is the only notable sidekick in the 90's that 1) never dominated and 2) never led the team (carried in every series)
Every other notable 90's sidekick peaked above Pippen's 22/5 (dominated) and routinely led their team in many series (not always carried like Pippen)[/QUOTE]
Lakers guy ran
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Re: Another commentator saying Pippen was on Jordan's level in 96.
[QUOTE=3ba11;14523890]Pippen averaged less apg than Jordan for their Finals career, playoff career or regular season career, and Pippen never won DPOY, while getting less DPOY votes every year than Jordan.. So it makes no difference if we include passing and defense - Pippen couldn't get more than 7 apg and was never DPOY.
And MJ was still scoring champ for the 2nd three-peat and led all the advanced categories, while Pippen averaged 17 on 41% and was horrible.
So you're just delusional about Pippen.. Jordan literally doubled this bums playoff scoring average and assisted 30% more often[/QUOTE]
Scoring, scoring , scoring. With that you literally reduce MJ's legacy to that of a gunner, making him appear far more inferior than he actually was. Mj fam definitely needs a better field rep than you. I have no clue how you manage to make someone so great seem so shit consistently.
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[QUOTE=3ba11;14523885]What's the argument for Lillard over Kyrie or KJ?
[/QUOTE]
Lillard has actually led his teams to nice playoff runs in his career, including a WCF in 2019, also helps that he has been fairly healthy most of his career and I'm not even a big fan of him.
Kyrie on the other hand is injury prone and his time in Boston as the number 1 option backfired big time, his team actually played better without him, it's well known what a bad leader he is. :lol
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Re: Another commentator saying Pippen was on Jordan's level in 96.
Pippen was not in the same level as MJ. Nobody was. Pippen though, was a Top 10 Player in the 90's.
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Re: Another commentator saying Pippen was on Jordan's level in 96.
Pippen wasn't as good as Jordan, not even close
But that's ok because he's still one of the greatest sidekicks ever
Let's not overrate Pippen
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[QUOTE=3ba11;14523885]
Again, anyone in the top 75 has a seminal performance like 06' Wade, 11' Dirk, 21' Giannis or 16' Kyrie... what does Pippen have?...
[/QUOTE]
2 of the 4 you listed are in your top 10. And I have a feeling the other two aren't far behind.
What's this "top 75" talk :lol
It's like saying "any of the top 25 quarterbacks of all time like Peyton Manning and Drew Brees have done.."
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Re: Another commentator saying Pippen was on Jordan's level in 96.
[QUOTE=Manny98;14523926]Pippen wasn't as good as Jordan, not even close
But that's ok because he's still one of the greatest sidekicks ever
Let's not overrate Pippen[/QUOTE]
The fact Jordan needed an MVP caliber sidekick to escape the first round suggest to me Jordan isn’t quite as dominate as the media likes for us to remember him
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Re: Another commentator saying Pippen was on Jordan's level in 96.
[QUOTE=Manny98;14523926]Pippen wasn't as good as Jordan, not even close
But that's ok because he's still one of the greatest sidekicks ever
Let's not overrate Pippen[/QUOTE]
OP has a weird fixation with putting Pippen on Jordan's level. Despite Jordan engulfing Pippen in: scoring, efficiency, advanced stats and impact. Pippen was great in the 96 regular-season, sure, but averaged just 17/9/6 on 36% shooting in the playoffs. Great defense although putrid scoring and efficiency. MJ carried the scoring load while playing all-time defense.
Generally speaking, Chicago was a well oiled machine.
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[QUOTE=MadDog;14523945]OP has a weird fixation with putting Pippen on Jordan's level. Despite Jordan engulfing Pippen in: scoring, efficiency, advanced stats and impact. Pippen was great in the 96 regular-season, sure, but averaged just 17/9/6 on 36% shooting in the playoffs. Great defense although putrid scoring and efficiency. MJ carried the scoring load while playing all-time defense.
Generally speaking, Chicago was a well oiled machine.[/QUOTE]
The argument can be made that Pippen was on Jordan's level as far as importance to the team's success (which is all that matters really). But I also stated that MJ is the GOAT, and that Pippen at that time was a top 5 player.
The point of me sending the video was to show how Pippen was perceived at that time as opposed to this revisionist history that Pippen was a bum being carried by Michael Jordan.
But as usual, many so-called basketball fans like the one I'm responding to that are casual followers can only rely on stats to make an unintelligent analysis.
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No an "argument" cannot be made. Jordan's impact metrics literally annihilate Pippen's. What Jordan brought to the team was simply harder to replace. Suggesting otherwise is just laughable.
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[QUOTE=MadDog;14523949]No, an argument cannot be made. Jordan's impact metrics literally annihilate Pippen's. What Jordan brought to the team was simply harder to replace. Suggesting otherwise is just laughable.[/QUOTE]
Well, the facts (IE wins) tell a different story. Pippen wasn't a stats guy. He did what he needed to do to win. Jordan was a stats guy. Doesn't mean Jordan Isn't the GOAT, but Pippen is a great player. And was equally important ti the Bulls success.
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Doesn't surprise me. This opinion was pretty common throughout the 90s, when people were actually witnessing the impact of The Great Scott Pippen real-time.
Must've been the fact that the 1993-94 Bulls lost only two games less than their previous season with Jordan and then lost because one of the most bullshitty calls ever in the playoffs.
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Re: Another commentator saying Pippen was on Jordan's level in 96.
[QUOTE=97 bulls;14523950]Well, the facts (IE wins) tell a different story. Pippen wasn't a stats guy. He did what he needed to do to win. Jordan was a stats guy. Doesn't mean Jordan Isn't the GOAT, but Pippen is a great player. And was equally important ti the Bulls success.[/QUOTE]
They actually don't though. In 98, Jordan's win percentage without Pippen was better than the win % Pippen's Bulls had in 94. Using team stats to credit one individual is asinine anyway - but as usual you're wrong. Compared to Pippen's defense and extra rebounds and assists, Jordan's offense coupled with his defense brought more to the table.
In the playoffs and finals, the gap only widened. Having Jordan who could get you a bucket anytime in the half-court (unlike Pippen who shot miserably during the second 3-peat), or when the game is on the line, is what's premium here. It makes sense too, because Jordan's REAL +/- (isolated impact to the team) dwarfed Pippen's.
MJ was the man in Chicago. And his effect on the game was irreplaceable. Move on and accept it, fanboy.
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[QUOTE=3ba11;14523874]Pippen was never reported on back then
Literally
No one paid attention to him because they knew he wasn't going to dominate
I haven't watched the clip btw. I don't worry about exceptions that prove the rule[/QUOTE]
Madonna paid attention to Scottie "Tree Trunk" Pippen.
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[QUOTE=MadDog;14523959]They actually don't though. In 98, Jordan's win percentage without Pippen was better than the win % Pippen's Bulls had in 94. Using team stats to credit one individual is asinine anyway - but as usual you're wrong. Compared to Pippen's defense and extra rebounds and assists, Jordan's offense coupled with his defense brought more to the table.
In the playoffs and finals, the gap only widened. Having Jordan who could get you a bucket anytime in the half-court (unlike Pippen who shot miserably during the second 3-peat), or when the game is on the line, is what's premium here. It makes sense too, because Jordan's REAL +/- (isolated impact to the team) dwarfed Pippen's.
MJ was the man in Chicago. And his effect on the game was irreplaceable. Move on and accept it, fanboy.[/QUOTE]
The Bulls replaced Pippen with Scott Burrell who was much better than the replacement that they picked for Jordan in Pete Myers. The 94 Bulls had Kukoc as a rookie, where as the 98 Bulls had a more established Kukoc. The 94 team had a very good PF in Horace Grant. The 98 Bulls had future hall of famer and all time rebounder in Dennis Rodman. Factor all that, and the Bulls W-L record was only slightly better in 98 vs 94.
Again, stats don't tell the whole story, Pippen wasn't concerned about getting stats, he was concerned about winning.
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Hey 97 bulls you might be interested in this video:
[video=youtube;uj7k0nJC3gc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj7k0nJC3gc[/video]
:lol
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Re: Another commentator saying Pippen was on Jordan's level in 96.
[QUOTE=TheCorporation;14523811]If Pippen was the one that took 2 years off to quit / rest up he'd be killing it and MJ would be breaking down.[/QUOTE]
Are you this stupid? If all it took was taking seasons off from playing basketball then alot of superstars should take off.
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Re: Another commentator saying Pippen was on Jordan's level in 96.
[QUOTE=Gohan;14524008]Are you this stupid? If all it took was taking seasons off from playing basketball then alot of superstars should take off.[/QUOTE]
Yes he is that stupid.
You are correct.
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Re: Another commentator saying Pippen was on Jordan's level in 96.
[QUOTE=97 bulls;14523997]The Bulls replaced Pippen with Scott Burrell who was much better than the replacement that they picked for Jordan in Pete Myers. The 94 Bulls had Kukoc as a rookie, where as the 98 Bulls had a more established Kukoc. The 94 team had a very good PF in Horace Grant. The 98 Bulls had future hall of famer and all time rebounder in Dennis Rodman. Factor all that, and the Bulls W-L record was only slightly better in 98 vs 94.
Again, stats don't tell the whole story, Pippen wasn't concerned about getting stats, he was concerned about winning.[/QUOTE]
But the 94 Bulls had Horace Grant and BJ Armstrong. Both were all-stars that year. :confusedshrug: The 94 team was deeper, and why many think they're the best version [B]with[/B] MJ. In 98, though, Jordan carried on offense and was still very good on defense (1st team on that end).
You dont need "stats" telling you Jordan was their best offensive player (much better: shooter, finisher, scorer, in isos and triple threat; comparable playmaking as well). And a close second to Pippen on defense. What's more, the playoffs showed Jordan's impact had more weight. A lot more.
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[QUOTE=Gohan;14524008]Are you this stupid? If all it took was taking seasons off from playing basketball then alot of superstars should take off.[/QUOTE]
MJ was still under contract and getting paid to not play basketball in his prime. Don't think other owners would do that for their players.
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[QUOTE=MadDog;14524084]
And a close second to Pippen on defense.
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If Jordan was 2nd to Pippen on defense, why was Jordan DPOY and got more DPOY votes every year except 96 & 97'?
Why was MJ the primary defender on Magic, Drexler, Payton, Miller and Isiah, while Pippen was almost never the primary defender on the opponent's best player?
Pippen was 9th for DPOY in 98' and Jordan was 4th, while Pippen got no votes in 93' and Jordan was 2nd..
And why do you keep saying Pippen averaged more assists when Jordan averaged more for their Finals career, playoff career, and regular season career?.. why keep lying?.. Pippen couldn't average over 7 apg (Jordan did many series) and Pippen was never DPOY, so Jordan was a better defender, passer and doubled Pippen's scoring (the only player that carried the scoring load in every series)
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Re: Another commentator saying Pippen was on Jordan's level in 96.
[QUOTE=3ba11;14524106]If Jordan was 2nd to Pippen on defense, why was Jordan DPOY and got more DPOY votes every year except 96 & 97'?
Why was MJ the primary defender on Magic, Drexler, Payton and Isiah, while Pippen was almost never the primary defender on the opponent's best player?
Pippen was 9th for DPOY in 98' and Jordan was 4th, while Pippen got no votes in 93' and Jordan was 2nd..
And why do you keep saying Pippen averaged more assists when Jordan averaged more for their Finals career, playoff career, and regular season career?.. why keep lying?.. Pippen couldn't average over 7 apg (Jordan did many times) and Pippen was never DPOY[/QUOTE]
They finished tied for 7th place in DPOY voting in 91, tied for 3rd in 92 & Scottie Pippen finished ahead of him in 96 & 97.
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[QUOTE=Ne 1;14524108]They finished tied for 7th place in DPOY voting in 91, tied for 3rd in 92 & Scottie Pippen finished ahead of him in 96 & 97.[/QUOTE]
So Jordan finished far ahead of him most years - how does finishing ahead most years make Jordan behind Pippen on defense ? Why are you lying about Pippen
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Re: Another commentator saying Pippen was on Jordan's level in 96.
[QUOTE=97 bulls;14523950]Well, the facts (IE wins) tell a different story. Pippen wasn't a stats guy. He did what he needed to do to win. Jordan was a stats guy. Doesn't mean Jordan Isn't the GOAT, but Pippen is a great player. And was equally important ti the Bulls success.[/QUOTE]
I don't know about equal.
Like I know there players that you can't determine everything on stats, but this is different. While Pippen was really important to the team success, as stated, MJ posted up legendary advance metrics stats and +/- stats that are among the best in nba history. He is number 1 in the league history in +/- according to b-ball-reference. But there are many different plus/minus stats out there and what you prefer. Even in real plus/minus stats with epsn uses, it shows MJ being the best in the league in 97.
As you can see here:
[url]http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/year/1997[/url]
All in the year 97.
MJ has OBPM of 5.15
DBPM of 2.47
total 7.62
Pippen has an OBPM of 3.87
DBPM of 0.90
total of 4.77.
MJ always lead the team in +/- stats. While the stats can indeed be deceiving, depending on what line up you use and how you use the stats in general; like comparing player a is better than player b on a different team cuz he is better plus/minus. That's the wrong way to use it. But using on the same team, that's more crucial in depending which player provides the most contribution on the floor. And granted, it really depends on the lineup, but MJ consistently was the best every year when he was on the bulls. In the playoffs, I believe it was closer in the late 90s....maybe? But MJ always edges out. He was always the best in the league except for a few years while he was with the bulls.
And that comment that commentator made, further proves the significance of MJ. Like Pippen "finally" is playing really good to be even on the level as MJ in terms of importance of the team. This implies he wasn't as important the years prior. And as the stats indicates, he still wasn't. And these are stats before it became popular. Imo, it just shows reconfirms how great MJ was during their dynasty.
Though stats don't always tell the whole story. Just cuz someone has a better DBPM doesn't always mean they are better defensively or vice versa. Pippen do things that the stats don't pick up and it also contribute to the wins. You do have players like that. Stats don't tell how you how great their communication is, how well they shut down a play entirely, or the right pass etc. It also depends on the sample size and how you use the stats.
But with that said, the stats of MJ are too great. His net value of the team is not only historic, it's among the league's best in nba history. And it's always among the best in the league the years that he played. As good as Pippen was, I think it's hard argument to say he was as important as MJ due to obvious statistical disadvantage on the same team. Not only do we have the eye tests, we had the raw stats and advance stats that came later. But he was no bum for sure. Even if you use raw plus/minus stats, Pippen was right up there with MJ. To show he ain't no scrub. The GSW subreddit posted up a stat recently to show how close Pippen was to MJ in those raw stats.
[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/s91hel/now_this_is_an_insane_stat_look_at_how_many/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf[/url]
But again, it's how you use the stats and what stats you are using. Like the GSW pic for example, if you use the stats to say Dray is better LeBron 09, that is the wrong way to use'em. If you use it to say Dray was extremely important to the GSW, then that's better. Especially raw numbers.
But again, I ain't saying Pippen ain't great. Pippen was amazing and probably the best second option of the 90s you can have. At least it in certain years. But MJ was always better, the better player and more important than Pippen to the team in terms production. They aren't equal. And it's many stats. MJ had better clutch stats, offensive output of not only himself, but producing for the team, and defensively it was better some years and other years they were either equal or Pippen was better (especially in 96). Either way, MJ was elite on the d. But what separates mainly was the offense.
But Pippen was really great on his own right. Pippen was a perfect compliment to MJ. While MJ was the man, the way Pippen played was a significant reason why they were so successful. But this isn't a Curry/KD type of thing.