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Just forced myself to watch Casablanca...
...to see what all the fuss was about... and i think this is the most overrated movie in history...
Its just a typical 40s cliche boring dialogue bla bla bla spammed movie about a "handsome", charming, witty, and all that jazz man throwing cheezy (although "classical") unnatural lines..... and the final scene fell flat with me.... one great thing i can say about the movie is Ingrid Bergman, one of the most beautiful women ive ever seen...
I didnt think it was bad... nor do i think it was great... probably great for its time... but i am not in that time... and i have seen much greater movies...
Sorry, but I do have to disagree with this films reputation.... to say that it is the greatest movie of all time or even be along side titles such as Godfather, Shawshank Redemption, The Good the Bad and The Ugly etc. on the pedestal is absurd....
Does anybody here actually think this movie was great or the best movie of all time? Or can anybody explain why this movie is/was so "GREAT"?
Is it just Nostalgia for the old folks?
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i agree it's overrated, but bear in mind the context. middle of ww2, very early in cinematic history. it was a stock and trade film that just touched a lot of hearts... and there's no question it was among the best movies of the time, even
the cheesy cliche 'unnatural' dialogue was just the style for the time. drawing the audience into the truth of the film was important, but not to the extent realism is prioritized today. it was about performance art. in that regard, there were a number of great performances.
especially this guy
[IMG]http://s2.hubimg.com/u/325069_f520.jpg[/IMG]
good, [i]maybe[/i] great, only best in the hearts of serious romantics
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[QUOTE=pauk]...to see what all the fuss was about... and i think this is the most overrated movie in history...
Its just a typical 40s cliche boring dialogue bla bla bla spammed movie about a "handsome", charming, witty, and all that jazz man throwing cheezy (although "classical") unnatural lines..... and the final scene fell flat with me.... one great thing i can say about the movie is Ingrid Bergman, one of the most beautiful women ive ever seen...
I didnt think it was bad... nor do i think it was great... probably great for its time... but i am not in that time... and i have seen much greater movies...
Sorry, but I do have to disagree with this films reputation.... to say it belongs along side titles such as Godfather, Shawshank Redemption, The Good the Bad and The Ugly etc. on the pedestal is absurd....
Does anybody here actually think this movie was great or the best movie of all time? Or can anybody explain why this movie is/was so "GREAT"?[/QUOTE]
A couple points:
1. I agree that I don't have Casablanca as high as many "experts". Wouldn't be in my top 10 for movies before the 1960's even. That being said, I get the sense I appreciate it a lot more than you do. It is a very crisp, well done movie. Good story. Really not one fault I can think of with the movie. The reason I don't have it as high as some others is not really because of any faults, but because there are many outstanding movies that came from that era that I'm surprised many people don't think are equal to, or better than Casablanca. And that's just movies from that era.
2. You said "Sorry, but I do have to disagree with this films reputation.... to say it belongs along side titles such as Godfather, Shawshank Redemption, The Good the Bad and The Ugly etc. on the pedestal is absurd...."
The fact you brought up three movies that every kid from our generation has seen and gushes over, tells me you probably don't have a true appreciation for movies of that time period. Not an insult. I just feel if you come back here and answer honestly, you would say you haven't paid as much attention to movies of that era compared to movies from the 70's-present. If I'm wrong, I apologize. I'm the opposite, I love movies from the 30'-60's more than modern movies. I'm a bit biased that way and that's not to say I don't watch modern movies (LotR trilogy is my second favorite film of all time).
You also said, you had to force yourself to watch Casablanca. Again, if you have to force yourself to watch that movie, then you probably don't really appreciate movies of that era. Kinda hard to put it on the same level as other movies when you simply don't have the same bias towards the films and their style, acting, cinematography, etc.
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The Good the Bad and the Ugly, while a good and fun movie, is overrated.
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The Wilt Chamberlain of movies? :confusedshrug:
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Where is that little group of posters arguing with me that art mediums don't progress for the better? lol
they should be all up your ass in this thread about how this would still hold up strong today...movie snobs :facepalm
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[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mC0Nc5vXRQ"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mC0Nc5vXRQ[/URL]
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This movie is so good that I went out and bought the 4k release last week. The 70th anniversary edition is worth the money.
The great thing about movies like Casablanca is the dialogue and the music. There are no throw away lines. All the dialogue is excellent. The lines you have to wait to hear in most modern movies are lines a person with a bit part gets in this movie.
It's kind of sad to me when someone can watch Casablanca and not understand why it is considered one of the best movies ever made.
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[QUOTE=FatComputerNerd]The Good the Bad and the Ugly, while a good and fun movie, is overrated.[/QUOTE]
gtjo
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[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Seventy years ago.[/QUOTE]
This.
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Nosferafu is the GOAT Oldest film. It's still a very watchable movie.
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[QUOTE=Lebron23]Nosferafu is the GOAT Oldest film. It's still a very watchable movie.[/QUOTE]
Ever watched Stormy Weather?
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my favorite "old movie" is The Hustler
but I'm not going to pretend like it would be an Oscar winner if it were released today...lol
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[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Ever watched Stormy Weather?[/QUOTE]
Not yet.
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[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]Where is that little group of posters arguing with me that art mediums don't progress for the better? lol
they should be all up your ass in this thread about how this would still hold up strong today...movie snobs :facepalm[/QUOTE]
pretty sure i argued that with you. art mediums don't necessarily progress for the better. the best movies today are hardly better than the best movies of the 70s... only argument you could make is that more good (and bad) movies are made, but that's a matter of quantity not quality. and while graphics and special effects edge closer and closer to the real thing, that is not artistic progress, merely technological progress.
but no, casablanca would not hold up at all today, as if that 70 year gap even warrants the comparison, considering 95% of cinematic history has taken place over that span. still, it's not a good fit for what modern public audiences have become accustomed to.
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[QUOTE=RaininTwos]gtjo[/QUOTE]
I like Clint, and I enjoy a good western now and again. In fact, I have most of his movies in my library.
I just don't think it belongs at #5 on the top 250.
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[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]my favorite "old movie" is The Hustler
but I'm not going to pretend like it would be an Oscar winner if it were released today...lol[/QUOTE]
If I put my 10 favorite movies from before the 60's up against my 10 favorite movies since the 80's, I know the former 10 would average out to a better score than the latter. You can conclude that that means I think many movies from 50+ years ago would be more deserving of an Oscar today than modern candidates.
It's all a matter of opinion. Sure, we can deduce that most people of our generation prefer modern films, but there is no proof at all out there that can convince me that the best modern films are better than the best films from half a century ago and further.
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[QUOTE=RidonKs]pretty sure i argued that with you. art mediums don't necessarily progress for the better. the best movies today are hardly better than the best movies of the 70s... only argument you could make is that more good (and bad) movies are made, but that's a matter of quantity not quality. and while graphics and special effects edge closer and closer to the real thing, that is not artistic progress, merely technological progress.
but no, casablanca would not hold up at all today, as if that 70 year gap even warrants the comparison, considering 95% of cinematic history has taken place over that span. still, it's not a good fit for what modern public audiences have become accustomed to.[/QUOTE]
on average today's movies are MUCH better than the 70s...it's not even close either
if the shitty ass remake of Friday the 13th came out instead of the "classic" black and white original that resembles a home movie then people would declare it to be the greatest thing ever created.
and the art technique that goes alone with that technology progresses...for SURE...along with the amount of people that know the trade...it is a progression in art technique.
anyway...I don't care to get into that again...we can just agree to disagree
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[QUOTE=Dolphin]If I put my 10 favorite movies from before the 60's up against my 10 favorite movies since the 80's, I know the former 10 would average out to a better score than the latter. You can conclude that that means I think many movies from 50+ years ago would be more deserving of an Oscar today than modern candidates.
It's all a matter of opinion. Sure, we can deduce that most people of our generation prefer modern films, but there is no proof at all out there that can convince me that the best modern films are better than the best films from half a century ago and further.[/QUOTE]
if you put your 10 favs from pre 60 and your 10 favs from today all in a movie theater full of people that aren't familiar...the 10 from today would be the leading sellers...I'm sure of it
unless your 10 favorite modern films are just awful :lol
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a movie like Pulp Fiction couldn't even exist pre 1960...art taboos have progressed as well...it's just better, period
and it will continue to get better...regardless of how many crappy remakes Hollywood pumps out
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Speaking of overrated movies, Bram Stoker's Dracula was not just overrated, but one of the worst movies I've ever seen period.
How that movie got any praise, let alone award nominations and awards baffles the shit outta me.
It's even bad for a B-movie which I believe this movie was trying to be.
Only one performance worth noting, and even then it wasn't anything spectacular. What a piece of shit that was.
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My favorite pre-1960 movie off the top of my head would probably be Bicycle Thieves (1948).
In general I prefer more modern movies though, mostly due to quality/technology advances.
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[QUOTE=andgar923]Speaking of overrated movies, Bram Stoker's Dracula was not just overrated, but one of the worst movies I've ever seen period.
How that movie got any praise, let alone award nominations and awards baffles the shit outta me.
It's even bad for a B-movie which I believe this movie was trying to be.
Only one performance worth noting, and even then it wasn't anything spectacular. What a piece of shit that was.[/QUOTE]
Disagree. I loved that movie. The Cinematography was amazing for it's time.
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[QUOTE=FatComputerNerd]My favorite pre-1960 movie off the top of my head would probably be Bicycle Thieves (1948).
In general I prefer more modern movies though, mostly due to quality/technology advances.[/QUOTE]
Better than Vertigo?....not so sure about that. lol
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[QUOTE=FatComputerNerd]Disagree. I loved that movie. The Cinematography was amazing for it's time.[/QUOTE]
It was shot in the 90s!!!!
The acting was horrible!
Was I the only one laughing at the cheesy dialogue and horrendous accents? those English accents were a travesty.
The effects appeared to be some 1960s acid trip kind. At first I thought I was watching a parody, but it wasn't.
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[QUOTE=Dolphin]Better than Vertigo?....not so sure about that. lol[/QUOTE]
I said my favorite, not best. Best is a matter of opinion anyways.
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[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moaW8LRusak&feature=related[/url]
Great movie!
:coleman:
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[QUOTE=andgar923][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moaW8LRusak&feature=related[/url]
Great movie!
:coleman:[/QUOTE]
Hmm, lol. Maybe I remember it being better than it actually was. Guilty pleasure from my childhood I guess.
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[QUOTE=FatComputerNerd]I said my favorite, not best. Best is a matter of opinion anyways.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, not trying to argue. I meant favorite as well. Have you seen both?
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[QUOTE=Dolphin]Sorry, not trying to argue. I meant favorite as well. Have you seen both?[/QUOTE]
No apologies needed. I have seen Vertigo, and I know it's good. I just named one of my favorite oldies off the top of my head.
I would also list Paths of Glory (1957) as one of my top pre-1960 films.
Also can't forget All Quiet on the Western Front (1930).
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[QUOTE=FatComputerNerd]Hmm, lol. Maybe I remember it being better than it actually was. Guilty pleasure from my childhood I guess.[/QUOTE]
LOl it's cool.
I remember it vividly cause I just saw it 4 years ago. My fianc
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[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]
but I'm not going to pretend like it would be an Oscar winner if it were released today...lol[/QUOTE]
Are you fu[color=black]cking[/color] retarded?
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[QUOTE=johndeeregreen]Are you fu[color=black]cking[/color] retarded?[/QUOTE]
Yes :oldlol:
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[QUOTE=FatComputerNerd]No apologies needed. I have seen Vertigo, and I know it's good. I just named one of my favorite oldies off the top of my head.
I would also list Paths of Glory (1957) as one of my top pre-1960 films.
Also can't forget All Quiet on the Western Front (1930).[/QUOTE]
If you haven't seen them, From Here To Eternity, Double Indemnity, All About Eve, North By Northwest, Anastasia and Grand Hotel are some other really good oldies.
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You have to look at Casablancas influence...and its a far better film than anything the OP's country has likely produced
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I was okay with Casablanca. I watched that and Gone With the Wind for the first time within a week of each other last year. I much preferred the former.
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i just saw Gone With the Wind a few weeks ago for the first time and i was blown away. i expected to be entertained but a bit disappointed. it went way beyond that. one of the best movies i've ever seen... though i doubt i'll be sitting through it again any time soon.
Casablanca doesn't even hold a candle to it imo
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[QUOTE=RidonKs]i just saw Gone With the Wind a few weeks ago for the first time and i was blown away. i expected to be entertained but a bit disappointed. it went way beyond that. one of the best movies i've ever seen... though i doubt i'll be sitting through it again any time soon.
Casablanca doesn't even hold a candle to it imo[/QUOTE]
In the interest of full disclosure, I watched Gone With the Wind on double VHS, in small increments over the course of an entire week or more. I'm thinking that could have severely affected my feelings on the film.
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[QUOTE=Rake2204]In the interest of full disclosure, I watched Gone With the Wind on double VHS, in small increments over the course of an entire week or more. I'm thinking that could have severely affected my feelings on the film.[/QUOTE]
err... yeah. definitely. lol
though i don't blame you, i probably still wouldn't have finished it had i started it at home. i caught it at a theater with just a wee intermission in the middle... patience is always easier in the presence of a whole host of people. and if you pay i suppose.
splitting it up like that, you still get to witness all the epic scenes and civil war events, and there's some great dialogue sprinkled throughout. but it makes it a lot harder to key in on the real strengths, the intertwined character narratives and the ups and downs of their relationships with one another, always in relation to the war. the journey of scarlett o'hara is one of the greatest ever told on screen imo.