and there is gay gene that makes people gay. Wouldn't be in this best interest to society to isolate the gay gene and make homosexuality obsolete as its counterproductive to the evolution and progression of our species?
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and there is gay gene that makes people gay. Wouldn't be in this best interest to society to isolate the gay gene and make homosexuality obsolete as its counterproductive to the evolution and progression of our species?
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[QUOTE=jdiaby]and there is gay gene that makes people gay. Wouldn't be in this best interest to society to isolate the gay gene and make homosexuality obsolete as its counterproductive to the evolution and progression of our species?[/QUOTE]
Do you realize that we're gonna be about 20 billion people on this earth in about 50years? Stop talking about evolution like you have a clue and start learning how to eat a good dikk
[QUOTE=jdiaby]and there is gay gene that makes people gay. Wouldn't be in this best interest to society to isolate the gay gene and make homosexuality obsolete as its counterproductive to the evolution and progression of our species?[/QUOTE]
No. How is it counter productive to the evolution and progression of the species? We've done a lot of things to change the natural progression. Might as well give up technology and go back to the cave men days if you want old school survival of the fittest.
[QUOTE=macmac]Do you realize that we're gonna be about 20 billion people on this earth in about 50years? Stop talking about evolution like you have a clue and start learning how to eat a good dikk[/QUOTE]
Stop making excuses for ******ry:coleman: , if gay people are really born gay and can't help their ways and wish they were so normal, shouldn't they really push to find the gay gene and eliminate it, become normal and rather than push for same-sex marriage.
[QUOTE=jdiaby]Stop making excuses for ******ry:coleman: , if gay people are really born gay and can't help their ways and wish they were so normal, shouldn't they really push to find the gay gene and eliminate it, become normal and rather than push for same-sex marriage.[/QUOTE]
If they are born gay that would make it a natural part of human evolution. What makes you think gay people don't consider themselves normal? I take it you are homophobic?
I think this thread was born gay.
OP must be really losing sleep over this to make it his 63rd. post in 6 years. Any inner struggles that we should know of?
[QUOTE=IcanzIIravor]If they are born gay that would make it a natural part of human evolution. What makes you think gay people don't consider themselves normal? I take it you are homophobic?[/QUOTE]
There not born gay, thats the point:rolleyes: , they choose to partake in there actions. It's fact that a booty is made to rid of waste not have dick put in it. I'm not homophobe, I'm just tired people acting like people are born gay and can't help it. There are people that go entire lifetimes without sex, we know a dick is made for a ******. I'm all for two people of the same-sex having the same rights as all couples per our constitution, but to act like gays aren't abomination and wrong isn't is ludicuruos.
[QUOTE=Lebowsky]OP must be really losing sleep over this to make it his 63rd. post in 6 years. Any inner struggles that we should know of?[/QUOTE]
English isn't first language give me a break.
I think it's probably a combination of nature and nurture. There are genetic traits that makes a person more likely to be homosexual, but something mentally has to happen when a kid is growing up as well.
I believe if it was purely genetic, it would be weeding itself out of the gene pool. Of course some homosexual people will reproduce, but the majority of them won't. Over the thousands of generations of humanity, it should have gotten less prevalent. Instead it seems to be becoming more common.
[QUOTE=jdiaby]There not born gay, thats the point:rolleyes: , they choose to partake in there actions. It's fact that a booty is made to rid of waste not have dick put in it. I'm not homophobe, I'm just tired people acting like people are born gay and can't help it. There are people that go entire lifetimes without sex, we know a dick is made for a ******. I'm all for two people of the same-sex having the same rights as all couples per our constitution, but to act like gays aren't abomination and wrong isn't is ludicuruos.[/QUOTE]
What makes you like women? Do you think you choose to be straight or do you think it is inherently what you are attracted too? As a straight person do you think you'd enjoy sleeping with another guy, but you just choose to be with women or are you just naturally attracted to women and not men?
There have always been homosexuals in humanity let alone other animals. It is a part of nature. Are you basing your beliefs squarely from a religious point of view? Certainly can't be from a scientific point of view.
[QUOTE=bmulls]I think it's probably a combination of nature and nurture. There are genetic traits that makes a person more likely to be homosexual, but something mentally has to happen when a kid is growing up as well.
I believe if it was purely genetic, it would be weeding itself out of the gene pool. Of course some homosexual people will reproduce, but the majority of them won't. Over the thousands of generations of humanity, it should have gotten less prevalent. Instead it seems to be becoming more common.[/QUOTE]
Do you have any stats to back that up or are you just talking out of your as$? By your logic, women also seem much smarter these days than the ones that stayed at home and were subjugated...don't act like Julius Ceasar wasn't taking it in the bum by his army of young strapping Romans or that Aristotle disnt have Alexander the Great suck on his balls before going to sleep...
[QUOTE=jdiaby]and there is gay gene that makes people gay. Wouldn't be in this best interest to society to isolate the gay gene and make homosexuality obsolete as its counterproductive to the evolution and [B]progression of our species?[/B][/QUOTE]
and who decides what is progressive? evolution is not directed.
[QUOTE=IcanzIIravor]What makes you like women? Do you think you choose to be straight or do you think it is inherently what you are attracted too? As a straight person do you think you'd enjoy sleeping with another guy, but you just choose to be with women or are you just naturally attracted to women and not men?
There have always been homosexuals in humanity let alone other animals. It is a part of nature. Are you basing your beliefs squarely from a religious point of view? Certainly can't be from a scientific point of view.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=macmac]Do you have any stats to back that up or are you just talking out of your as$? By your logic, women also seem much smarter these days than the ones that stayed at home and were subjugated...don't act like Julius Ceasar wasn't taking it in the bum by his army of young strapping Romans or that Aristotle disnt have Alexander the Great suck on his balls before going to sleep...[/QUOTE]
Just speculating.
However, there's a track record in human history of negative traits being bred out of society. Scientists estimate that in 100 years the ginger gene will be virtually extinct. Gingers are more common than homosexuals as a percent of the global population, and presumably the vast majority of them aren't gay, and yet they are predicted to be gone in 100 years.
Genetically speaking, a homosexuality gene would be FAR less competitive than the ginger gene, and given the many thousands of generations that have lived before us it should be trending downwards.
It's very possible however that the numbers of gays that seem to be growing is due to increased acceptance of it, which would skew the numbers.
[QUOTE=jdiaby]English isn't first language give me a break.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say anything about your English. At all.
[QUOTE=bmulls]Just speculating.
However, there's a track record in human history of negative traits being bred out of society. Scientists estimate that in 100 years the ginger gene will be virtually extinct. Gingers are more common than homosexuals as a percent of the global population, and presumably the vast majority of them aren't gay, and yet they are predicted to be gone in 100 years.
Genetically speaking, a homosexuality gene would be FAR less competitive than the ginger gene, and given the many thousands of generations that have lived before us it should be trending downwards.
It's very possible however that the numbers of gays that seem to be growing is due to increased acceptance of it, which would skew the numbers.[/QUOTE]
I think it is more people don't have to hide it as much. I mean it still isn't acceptable in Islamic countries for one and I'm sure there are a number of other places in the world people have to hide it for fear of being shunned, beaten or worse.
[QUOTE=IcanzIIravor]What makes you like women? Do you think you choose to be straight or do you think it is inherently what you are attracted too? As a straight person do you think you'd enjoy sleeping with another guy, but you just choose to be with women or are you just naturally attracted to women and not men?
There have always been homosexuals in humanity let alone other animals. It is a part of nature. Are you basing your beliefs squarely from a religious point of view? Certainly can't be from a scientific point of view.[/QUOTE]
Most gay people flip flop between both sexes, that why men go to prison and end up performing homosexual acts cause only man booty is available. I know I like women cause it's whats right, my dikk is made for ***** and vice versa. To be truthful if I ended up being in prison for a lifetime who knows what I do, i know I ain't getting my shit pushed in. I think homosexuality is just performing unnatural sex acts, just like having sex with animals. It's just this gay agenda stuff is crazy, I just don't agree with the lifestyle, unnatural acts, and overall look at as a disorder. I do however think they should be allowed to civil unions or some type of marriage per our constitution, but on a personal I don't agree with it.
[QUOTE=jdiaby]Most gay people flip flop between both sexes, that why men go to prison and end up performing homosexual acts cause only man booty is available. I know I like women cause it's whats right, my dikk is made for ***** and vice versa. To be truthful if I ended up being in prison for a lifetime who knows what I do, i know I ain't getting my shit pushed in. I think homosexuality is just performing unnatural sex acts, just like having sex with animals. It's just this gay agenda stuff is crazy, I just don't agree with the lifestyle, unnatural acts, and overall look at as a disorder. I do however think they should be allowed to civil unions or some type of marriage per our constitution, but on a personal I don't agree with it.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this. I don't give 2 shits of they get married, I'm atheist and have no religious issues with gay people, but do we really have to act like it's right and normal?
Unfortunately everybody is going to call you a bigot because this site is 99% liberal morons who can't form an opinion of their own. Being an advocate of homosexuality is trendy these days.
[QUOTE=bmulls]I agree with this. I don't give 2 shits of they get married, I'm atheist and have no religious issues with gay people, but do we really have to act like it's right and normal?
Unfortunately everybody is going to call you a bigot because this site is 99% liberal morons who can't form an opinion of their own. Being an advocate of homosexuality is trendy these days.[/QUOTE]
And who are you to say what is right or normal? Those things are usually determined by social convention, which is, by nature, arbitrary. As other posters have already pointed out, things like homosexuality or pedophilia used to be common practice in the past and they weren't looked down upon.
[QUOTE=bmulls]I agree with this. I don't give 2 shits of they get married, I'm atheist and have no religious issues with gay people, but do we really have to act like it's right and normal?
Unfortunately everybody is going to call you a bigot because this site is 99% liberal morons who can't form an opinion of their own. Being an advocate of homosexuality is trendy these days.[/QUOTE]
Homosexuality is present in almost all species, if I recall correctly and thus has been around practically as long as any living creature has existed on this planet. Given this information what makes it wrong or abnormal outside of what religion conditioning has imprinted upon you? Enlightenment and greater knowledge has frightened many a person clinging to how things have always been. I see no reason to be in fear or disgust at greater numbers of people excepting what has always been as normal and not shunning fathers, mothers, children, cousins, etc solely because they are attracted to the same sex. Perhaps being a rational person leaves me unable to understand your point of view.
[QUOTE=Lebowsky]And who are you to say what is right or normal? Those things are usually determined by social convention, which is, by nature, arbitrary. As other posters have already pointed out, things like homosexuality or pedophilia used to be common practice in the past and they weren't looked down upon.[/QUOTE]
Thats true, society does deem whats acceptable and correct, but all throughout history homosexuality has been on the fringes of society. No mainly homosexual society can survive, it's counterproductive to the growth of our society. Sex mainly for reproduction first, pleasure second. To act like we should give people rights and act like performing unnatural sex act validity is crazy, Nobody has to have sex.
[QUOTE=jdiaby]Thats true, society does deem whats acceptable and correct, but all throughout history homosexuality has been on the fringes of society. No mainly homosexual society can survive, it's counterproductive to the growth of our society. Sex mainly for reproduction first, pleasure second. To act like we should give people rights and act like performing unnatural sex act validity is crazy, Nobody has to have sex.[/QUOTE]
Jesus christ, I swear people are getting more and more stupid by the minute.
[QUOTE=IcanzIIravor]Homosexuality is present in almost all species, if I recall correctly and thus has been around practically as long as any living creature has existed on this planet. Given this information what makes it wrong or abnormal outside of what religion conditioning has imprinted upon you? Enlightenment and greater knowledge has frightened many a person clinging to how things have always been. I see no reason to be in fear or disgust at greater numbers of people excepting what has always been as normal and not shunning fathers, mothers, children, cousins, etc solely because they are attracted to the same sex. Perhaps being a rational person leaves me unable to understand your point of view.[/QUOTE]
There is nothing rational about a dikk in the anus, thats why grown man that partake in the acts have to wear diapers. Tell me a some benefits of homosexuality on society other than the lame population control theory?
[QUOTE=jdiaby]Thats true, society does deem whats acceptable and correct, but all throughout history homosexuality has been on the fringes of society. No mainly homosexual society can survive, it's counterproductive to the growth of our society. Sex mainly for reproduction first, pleasure second. To act like we should give people rights and act like performing unnatural sex act validity is crazy, Nobody has to have sex.[/QUOTE]
That is incorrect. Check out Greek society for one. You know the precursors to modern democracy. Openly had homosexuality throughout the society, made most famous by the Spartans.
No society is mainly homosexual because the vast majority of people are heterosexual. I really don't understand what your point is with that last sentence. The only rights homosexuals in the US are fighting for is the right to marry the adult they love the same way I married my wife and probably the same way you will eventually marry whoever you find love with.
[QUOTE=Lebowsky]Jesus christ, I swear people are getting more and more stupid by the minute.[/QUOTE]
Where is the flaw in what I'm saying?
[QUOTE=Lebowsky]Jesus christ, I swear people are getting more and more stupid by the minute.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it is called the "Lebron23 effect".
[QUOTE=jdiaby]Where is the flaw in what I'm saying?[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, I'm done feeding the troll.
[QUOTE=jdiaby]There is nothing rational about a dikk in the anus, thats why grown man that partake in the acts have to wear diapers. Tell me a some benefits of homosexuality on society other than the lame population control theory?[/QUOTE]
Why does there have to be a benefit in modern society? What benefit is gained by any number of modern technologies in our society, yet they are embraced. We aren't a hunter/gather society from 500 BC needing to pop out babies to sustain the people due to lack of drugs or immunity against disease and other disasters. There is nothing rational about jacking off either, since your sperm should only be used to knock a chick up right? What makes you think all gay men have to wear diapers? Did you get that from a study on gay men having sex or something?
[QUOTE=IcanzIIravor]Homosexuality is present in almost all species, if I recall correctly and thus has been around practically as long as any living creature has existed on this planet. Given this information what makes it wrong or abnormal outside of what religion conditioning has imprinted upon you? Enlightenment and greater knowledge has frightened many a person clinging to how things have always been. I see no reason to be in fear or disgust at greater numbers of people excepting what has always been as normal and not shunning fathers, mothers, children, cousins, etc solely because they are attracted to the same sex. Perhaps being a rational person leaves me unable to understand your point of view.[/QUOTE]
Liberal morons that are also apparently convinced of their intellectual superiority :rolleyes:
I just posted I'm atheist, I've never been religious and I've never had any religious conditioning "imprinted" on me. I also accept that homosexuality exists and I don't care if they get married.
With that said, I don't need to agree with it. There are more criminals in the United States than gay people. Does that make criminality right and normal? For a legal example, millions of people cheat on their significant others. Is this also right and normal?
The mere fact that people do something doesn't inherently make it a good thing.
[QUOTE=IcanzIIravor]That is incorrect. Check out Greek society for one. You know the precursors to modern democracy. Openly had homosexuality throughout the society, made most famous by the Spartans.
No society is mainly homosexual because the vast majority of people are heterosexual. I really don't understand what your point is with that last sentence. The only rights homosexuals in the US are fighting for is the right to marry the adult they love the same way I married my wife and probably the same way you will eventually marry whoever you find love with.[/QUOTE]
I understand that gays want the same rights as heterosexual couples, I believe they should have them per our constitution. I'm just saying they need to stop acting like homosexuality is genetic rather than a fetish or alternative lifestyle. Being gay is a choice, and unhealthy one at that, and just because I don't agree with the lifestyle doesn't make me a homophobe or wrong.
[QUOTE=bmulls]Liberal morons that are also apparently convinced of their intellectual superiority :rolleyes:
I just posted I'm atheist, I've never been religious and I've never had any religious conditioning "imprinted" on me. I also accept that homosexuality exists and I don't care if they get married.
With that said, I don't need to agree with it. There are more criminals in the United States than gay people. Does that make criminality right and normal? For a legal example, millions of people cheat on their significant others. Is this also right and normal?
The mere fact that people do something doesn't inherently make it a good thing.[/QUOTE]
What makes it a bad thing then? Is it just your personal belief and if so where did you get this belief from. Since you are an atheist can one assume you have come to this conclusion over time and examining the issue from a rational perspective? Are you deriving it from the ick factor or is there some other facts that have led you to the position that it is abnormal and wrong? Given that homosexuality is found throughout other species how is it abnormal? Is this the slippery slope argument, since you have thrown in criminals into the mix and adultery? Do you think if homosexuality is accepted in society criminals and adulterers will be as well amongst other things?
[QUOTE=jdiaby]I understand that gays want the same rights as heterosexual couples, I believe they should have them per our constitution. I'm just saying they need to stop acting like homosexuality is genetic rather than a fetish or alternative lifestyle. Being gay is a choice, and unhealthy one at that, and just because I don't agree with the lifestyle doesn't make me a homophobe or wrong.[/QUOTE]
Do you really think it is a choice. Recently Iran executed several gay men for being gay. Given that they live in such a harsh society that would kill them rather than accept such, what makes you think they chose to be gay? In the face of a potential death sentence you think they chose to be gay when they could have resisted it and been heterosexual?
[QUOTE=IcanzIIravor]Why does there have to be a benefit in modern society? What benefit is gained by any number of modern technologies in our society, yet they are embraced. We aren't a hunter/gather society from 500 BC needing to pop out babies to sustain the people due to lack of drugs or immunity against disease and other disasters. There is nothing rational about jacking off either, since your sperm should only be used to knock a chick up right? What makes you think all gay men have to wear diapers? Did you get that from a study on gay men having sex or something?[/QUOTE]
If homosexuality is so harmless and rational to society and the individuals, I guess you would willing accept blood transfusion from homosexual individual?
[QUOTE=jdiaby]If homosexuality is so harmless and rational to society and the individuals, I guess you would willing accept blood transfusion from homosexual individual?[/QUOTE]
Yes. Why wouldn't I. Being gay doesn't mean your blood is bad. What have you been reading?
[QUOTE=IcanzIIravor]Do you really think it is a choice. Recently Iran executed several gay men for being gay. Given that they live in such a harsh society that would kill them rather than accept such, what makes you think they chose to be gay? In the face of a potential death sentence you think they chose to be gay when they could have resisted it and been heterosexual?[/QUOTE]
I think people are weak of their fleshly desires, that why you have all-time high of single mothers, divorce, and adultery. People think with their sexual desires, instead of constraining oneself. Those men shouldn't been put to death for their bad decisions, but to act like being gay is ok and is genetic is crazy, if it is more gay people should be pushing to correct themselves and become normal.
[QUOTE=jdiaby]I think people are weak of their fleshly desires, that why you have all-time high of single mothers, divorce, and adultery. People think with their sexual desires, instead of constraining oneself. Those men shouldn't been put to death for their bad decisions, but to act like being gay is ok and is genetic is crazy, if it is more gay people should be pushing to correct themselves and become normal.[/QUOTE]
Do you think it is by choice that you aren't gay? Have you ever desired to sleep with another man, but simply chose not too? Is it by choice that you are only attracted to women or do you feel you could easily go gay if you wanted too?
[QUOTE=jdiaby]I think people are weak of their fleshly desires, that why you have all-time high of single mothers, divorce, and adultery. People think with their sexual desires, instead of constraining oneself. Those men shouldn't been put to death for their bad decisions, but to act like being gay is ok and is genetic is crazy, if it is more gay people should be pushing to correct themselves and become normal.[/QUOTE]
Were you born irretrievably stupid or did you just choose that trait?
[QUOTE=IcanzIIravor]Yes. Why wouldn't I. Being gay doesn't mean your blood is bad. What have you been reading?[/QUOTE]
I guess my guy, but there is reason why they don't allow homosexuals to donate blood because the have higher chance of being suspectible to AIDS and other diseases, doesn't mean they all have something but higher percentage do because of the acts they engage in. It would be like accepting blood from somebody in central africa.