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Players better than Dwight Howard
Yesterday i made the apparantly absurd comment that the following players are better than Dwight Howard, some Isher's (well almost all of them) were a bit dismayed and shocked at my list. I for one just dont see it, Dwight is a great defensive force/rebounder but the man is severely limited on offense, he cant create his own shot no moves, makes many mental mistakes, but even against quality big man he can be beat man to man.
I was told that i am literally the only person who thinks like this and that i should commit suicide. So i was hoping for some input on this because i doubt im the only who feels this way.
I dont know, im not some irrational hater but I just dont see it with him.
Lebron James
Kevin Durant
Dwayne Wade
Tim Duncan
Paul Pierce
Kobe Bryant
Chris Paul
Al Jefferson
Deron Williams
Pau Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
Manu Ginobili
Steve Nash
Brandon Roy
Carmelo Anthony
Updated to the list:
Marc Gasol
Demarcus Cousins
Zach Randolph
Stephen Curry
Derrick Rose
Blake Griffin
James Harden
Tony Parker
Russel Westbrook
Tyson Chandler
Kevin Love
Joachim Noah
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chris paul will outrebound dwigt for sure...
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[QUOTE=treeztuhn]chris paul will outrebound dwigt for sure...[/QUOTE]
ok.....
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Better skill wise? Tons
Better impact wise? Very few.
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[QUOTE=Horde of Temujin]Yesterday i made the apparantly absurd comment that the following players are better than Dwight Howard, some Isher's (well almost all of them) were a bit dismayed and shocked at my list. I for one just dont see it, Dwight is a great defensive force/rebounder but the man is severely limited on offense, he cant create his own shot no moves, makes many mental mistakes, but even against quality big man he can be beat man to man.
I was told that i am literally the only person who thinks like this and that i should commit suicide. So i was hoping for some input on this because i doubt im the only who feels this way.
I dont know, im not some irrational hater but I just dont see it with him.
Lebron James
Kevin Durant
Dwayne Wade
Kobe Bryant
Chris Paul
Carmelo Anthony[/QUOTE]
fixed
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[QUOTE=Horde of Temujin]ok.....[/QUOTE]
but why compare dwight to other players with other position???
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[QUOTE=Horde of Temujin]Yesterday i made the apparantly absurd comment that the following players are better than Dwight Howard, some Isher's (well almost all of them) were a bit dismayed and shocked at my list. I for one just dont see it, Dwight is a great defensive force/rebounder but the man is severely limited on offense, he cant create his own shot no moves, makes many mental mistakes, but even against quality big man he can be beat man to man.
I was told that i am literally the only person who thinks like this and that i should commit suicide. So i was hoping for some input on this because i doubt im the only who feels this way.
I dont know, im not some irrational hater but I just dont see it with him.
Lebron James
Kevin Durant
Dwayne Wade
Tim Duncan
Paul Pierce
Kobe Bryant
Chris Paul
Al Jefferson
Deron Williams
Pau Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
Manu Ginobili
Steve Nash
Brandon Roy
Carmelo Anthony[/QUOTE]
Dwight Howard is a franchise player, and the best center in the league. He is a super star and players like kobe, wade, lebron and maybe durant and dirk are at his level. You cannot build a team around, roy, melo, nash, manu, pau, deron, al, and crhis and succeed like you can with dwight. He is your defensive anchor, and rebounding monster, as soon as he steps on the floor other teams completely change their offense. Now allot of those guys are much better scorers than dwight, and pau and al both have much better post moves but overall i put dwight ahead of them
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[QUOTE=Nelson14]Dwight Howard is a franchise player, and the best center in the league. He is a super star and players like kobe, wade, lebron and maybe durant and dirk are at his level. You cannot build a team around, roy, melo, nash, manu, pau, deron, al, and crhis and succeed like you can with dwight. He is your defensive anchor, and rebounding monster, as soon as he steps on the floor other teams completely change their offense. Now allot of those guys are much better scorers than dwight, and pau and al both have much better post moves but overall i put dwight ahead of them[/QUOTE]
Good point, thanks for the input
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[QUOTE=Horde of Temujin]Yesterday i made the apparantly absurd comment that the following players are better than Dwight Howard, some Isher's (well almost all of them) were a bit dismayed and shocked at my list. I for one just dont see it, Dwight is a great defensive force/rebounder but the man is severely limited on offense, he cant create his own shot no moves, makes many mental mistakes, but even against quality big man he can be beat man to man.
I was told that i am literally the only person who thinks like this and that i should commit suicide. So i was hoping for some input on this because i doubt im the only who feels this way.
I dont know, im not some irrational hater but I just dont see it with him.
Lebron James
Kevin Durant
Dwayne Wade
Tim Duncan
Paul Pierce
Kobe Bryant
Chris Paul
[B]Al Jefferson
Deron Williams[/B]
Pau Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
Manu Ginobili
Steve Nash
Brandon Roy
Carmelo Anthony[/QUOTE]
As a Jazz fan let me save you some time Deron Williams isn't better then Dwight Howard.
And Al Jefferson isn't better then Dwight ( Until next season hopefully)
:pimp:
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[QUOTE=Yung D-Will]As a Jazz fan let me save you some time Deron Williams isn't better then Dwight Howard.
And Al Jefferson isn't better then Dwight ( Until next season hopefully)
:pimp:[/QUOTE]
D. Will's the man and Its a shame Al got injured he was on a tear and improving so much, as horrible a GM Mchale was i feel with his tutelage Jefferson was getting a lot better. We'll see if Hakeem has a better impact than Ewing. THe Jazz are definitely looking good for next year, i feel this is their best team since Stockton/Malone.
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[QUOTE=Horde of Temujin]D. Will's the man and Its a shame Al got injured he was on a tear and improving so much, as horrible a GM Mchale was i feel with his tutelage Jefferson was getting a lot better. We'll see if Hakeem has a better impact than Ewing. THe Jazz are definitely looking good for next year, i feel this is their best team since Stockton/Malone.[/QUOTE]
Actually AL Jefferson's production increased every month last season by March he was back to averaging 19-10.
He said he was only about 85% at the end of the season and he's back to 100% now he said.
But yea.
That's why I'm glad Utah didn't actually draft Jefferson. He was a natural post scorer with a lot of moves in his arsenal on Boston. But he became a much better player since He would seek out Mchale after nearly every game to learn something new from him which made him into the post player he is today.
I could write a book about everything I hate that Deron does in games.
Glad to see someone else who realizes how good Al Jefferson is as a player.
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Om not fking RG again lol!
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Dwight took an equal supporting cast(if not equal then barely better) Bosh had last year to the '09 finals... that's their difference in impact put into perspective.
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[QUOTE=Horde of Temujin]Yesterday i made the apparantly absurd comment that the following players are better than Dwight Howard........
Lebron James
Kevin Durant
Dwayne Wade
Tim Duncan
Paul Pierce
Kobe Bryant
Chris Paul
Al Jefferson
Deron Williams
Pau Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
Manu Ginobili
Steve Nash
Brandon Roy
Carmelo Anthony[/QUOTE]
If you are talking in terms of skill and/or hoops IQ only then sure. If you mean productivity and impact on the floor then you're being ridiculous.
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[QUOTE=Da KO King]If you are talking in terms of skill and/or hoops IQ only then sure. If you mean productivity and impact on the floor then you're being ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
If he meant strictly skill, then Dwight wouldn't even be top 100 right now.
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You forgot Yao Ming dude. He's better than Dwight Howard.
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[QUOTE=Horde of Temujin]Yesterday i made the apparantly absurd comment that the following players are better than Dwight Howard, some Isher's (well almost all of them) were a bit dismayed and shocked at my list. I for one just dont see it, Dwight is a great defensive force/rebounder but the man is severely limited on offense, he cant create his own shot no moves, makes many mental mistakes, but even against quality big man he can be beat man to man.
I was told that i am literally the only person who thinks like this and that i should commit suicide. So i was hoping for some input on this because i doubt im the only who feels this way.
I dont know, im not some irrational hater but I just dont see it with him.
Lebron James
Kevin Durant
Dwayne Wade
Tim Duncan
Paul Pierce
Kobe Bryant
Chris Paul
Al Jefferson
Deron Williams
Pau Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
Manu Ginobili
Steve Nash
Brandon Roy
Carmelo Anthony[/QUOTE]
greg oden
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[QUOTE=the_wise_one]You forgot Yao Ming dude. He's better than Dwight Howard.[/QUOTE]
:roll: I remembered that guy in another thread named ZaoMing!
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[QUOTE=d.bball.guy]:roll: I remembered that guy in another thread named ZaoMing![/QUOTE]
Nah, i wont go that far
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[QUOTE=iamgine]Better skill wise? Tons
Better impact wise? Very few.[/QUOTE]
/end thread
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[QUOTE=the_wise_one]You forgot Yao Ming dude. He's better than Dwight Howard.[/QUOTE]
Ya people have forgotten about Yao. A healthy Yao > Dwight.
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[QUOTE=Horde of Temujin]Yesterday i made the apparantly absurd comment that the following players are better than Dwight Howard, some Isher's (well almost all of them) were a bit dismayed and shocked at my list. I for one just dont see it, Dwight is a great defensive force/rebounder but the man is severely limited on offense, he cant create his own shot no moves, makes many mental mistakes, but even against quality big man he can be beat man to man.
I was told that i am literally the only person who thinks like this and that i should commit suicide. So i was hoping for some input on this because i doubt im the only who feels this way.
I dont know, im not some irrational hater but I just dont see it with him.
Tim Duncan
Paul Pierce
Al Jefferson
Deron Williams
Pau Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
Manu Ginobili
Steve Nash
Brandon Roy
Carmelo Anthony[/QUOTE]
LMAO @ Manu Ginobili being better than Dwight.
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Lebron James
Kevin Durant
Dwayne Wade
[I]Tim Duncan[/I]
[B]Paul Pierce[/B]
Kobe Bryant
[I]Chris Paul[/I]
[B]Al Jefferson[/B]
[I]Deron Williams[/I]
[B]Pau Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki[/B]
[B]Manu Ginobili[/B]
[I]Steve Nash[/I]
[B]Brandon Roy[/B]
[I]Carmelo Anthony[/I]
Bolded are definite No's.
Italic are players on par, just worse or just better then dwight.
everyone else is just purely better
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There are 3 players better than Dwight Howard and their names are Lebron James, Kobe Bryant and Dwyane Wade. You can throw Chris Paul in their when he's healthy too, but that's it.
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If we're picking for just this upcoming season, or just a series, players like Pau Gasol, Dirk, and Tim Duncan aren't miles behind Howard and are probably more exerienced/more suited to have the ball in their hands alot. If Bogut continues to improve, it wouldn't all-out surprise me if he approaches Dwight's current level (18 PPG) at some point. He was playing like an AS last season before his injury (alongside a rookie Jennings, Salmons, Ilyasova, etc) playing defense from the center position second to only Howard probably, was on pace to block 200+ shots like Howard, and also like Howard almost singlehandedly made that team one of the best defensively. Bogut doesn't possess Howard's athleticism, though neither did prime Duncan, but he is a great passing big man and has good hands. Also, IF Greg Oden could ever get it together, his offensive/defensive skills combined could potentially put him on an elite level (imo). If it comes to the future, seasons and seasons ahead, Dwight is one of the best franchise players in the L easily. No doubt. Shaqattack has provided some good comparisons to Zo in the past, and it is pretty accurate (though Zo was better), but even Zo wasn't an unparalleled, automatic championship, kind of big man.
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Players better then Dwight
Wade
Durant
LeBron
Kobe
Carmelo
On the same level
Chris Paul
Deron Williams
Dirk
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[QUOTE=SCdac]If we're picking for just this upcoming season, or just a series, players like Pau Gasol, Dirk, and Tim Duncan aren't miles behind Howard and are probably more exerienced/more suited to have the ball in their hands alot. If Bogut continues to improve, it wouldn't all-out surprise me if he approaches Dwight's current level (18 PPG) at some point. He was playing like an AS last season before his injury (alongside a rookie Jennings, Salmons, Ilyasova, etc) playing defense from the center position second to only Howard probably, was on pace to block 200+ shots like Howard, and also like Howard almost singlehandedly made that team one of the best defensively. Bogut doesn't possess Howard's athleticism, though neither did prime Duncan, but he is a great passing big man and has good hands. Also, IF Greg Oden could ever get it together, his offensive/defensive skills combined could potentially put him on an elite level (imo). If it comes to the future, seasons and seasons ahead, Dwight is one of the best franchise players in the L easily. No doubt. Shaqattack has provided some good comparisons to Zo in the past, and it is pretty accurate (though Zo was better), but even Zo wasn't an unparalleled, automatic championship, kind of big man.[/QUOTE]
I'm not convinced 18 ppg is a sign of things to come, particularly after two 21 ppg seasons in '08 and '09, a 20 ppg playoff run in '09 and the last 2 series he played. He was in constant foul trouble vs Charlotte and they did sweep them, but after that he put up 21 ppg on 84% shooting vs Atlanta and 22 ppg on 57% shooting vs Boston.
But two things that disappointed me last year were that Howard's offensive rebounding numbers dropped which created fewer scoring opportunities and I don't think he used the skills he does have as well as he could have. And what I mean by that is in 2009 he faced up more and was either getting to the foul line or hitting the running hook with either hand with decent regularity. Last season, he tried backing down players more which really isn't his strength unless he's playing against a guy like Horford.
He has worked with Olajuwon and Hakeem told him not to be afraid to use all of his skills which could help. If he shoots that bank shot consistently, even if he only makes them at an ok percentage, it will make the defense think a little more and open up his face up game so much for either the running hook, or a drive straight to the basket.
But regarding Duncan and Gasol vs Howard. Well, the fact that Duncan can't play big minutes anymore puts Howard clearly ahead, IMO. If I need a basket down the stretch, I'm still going to Duncan, but Duncan's defense has also slipped. A few years ago, I would've taken Duncan over Dwight defensively, but not anymore. For a series, Gasol can make an impact as big, but I don't think many would choose Gasol over Dwight if they were building a franchise. I think Howard is more of a franchise player. But you could argue that Gasol had a pretty comparable season.
Bogut is still a step down, though I'm hoping he continues to improve and Bogut/Jennings is one of the young duos that excites me the most.
Oden is the one guy who I really think does have the potential to have the impact Howard does. I think he could be a comparable rebounder and an even better defender and offensively, I don't see why he wouldn't be able to produce at a similar rate if he can stay healthy and stay on the floor for 35 or so minutes, however, I'm not holding my breath on that happening.
Actually, Oden is probably my favorite current player.
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@ TS/OP - Nigguh you ****in stupid/dumb/retarded/mental retarded.. LOLLL
OMG , where do I start?
You cant compare all them cuz they all play different position's and If you wanna compare Dwight and Current Tim Duncan , Dwight will prolly beat him but PRIME Duncan Will CRUSH DWIGHT "EISEN HOWER'D"
Ya Feel Me?
Dwight is THE BEST Current Center for now ; This ERA.
Man , you know you need to get your shit straight,.
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I tried to tell you, Horde of Temujin. Maybe you should stick to football, or worry about your "Interim Team" OKC.
You really think all of those players are capable of leading a team to the Finals? Really?
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And people ask why people call Manu overrated :rolleyes:
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[QUOTE=zORi]I tried to tell you, Horde of Temujin. Maybe you should stick to football, or worry about your "Interim Team" OKC.
You really think all of those players are capable of leading a team to the Finals? Really?[/QUOTE]
:lol Yep all of those players could lead a team to the finals especially in '09 with a weak Boston team and a fundamentally flawed Cleveland team.
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[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]I'm not convinced 18 ppg is a sign of things to come, particularly after two 21 ppg seasons in '08 and '09, a 20 ppg playoff run in '09 and the last 2 series he played. He was in constant foul trouble vs Charlotte and they did sweep them, but after that he put up 21 ppg on 84% shooting vs Atlanta and 22 ppg on 57% shooting vs Boston.
But two things that disappointed me last year were that Howard's offensive rebounding numbers dropped which created fewer scoring opportunities and I don't think he used the skills he does have as well as he could have. And what I mean by that is in 2009 he faced up more and was either getting to the foul line or hitting the running hook with either hand with decent regularity. Last season, he tried backing down players more which really isn't his strength unless he's playing against a guy like Horford.
He has worked with Olajuwon and Hakeem told him not to be afraid to use all of his skills which could help. If he shoots that bank shot consistently, even if he only makes them at an ok percentage, it will make the defense think a little more and open up his face up game so much for either the running hook, or a drive straight to the basket.
But regarding Duncan and Gasol vs Howard. Well, the fact that Duncan can't play big minutes anymore puts Howard clearly ahead, IMO. If I need a basket down the stretch, I'm still going to Duncan, but Duncan's defense has also slipped. A few years ago, I would've taken Duncan over Dwight defensively, but not anymore. For a series, Gasol can make an impact as big, but I don't think many would choose Gasol over Dwight if they were building a franchise. I think Howard is more of a franchise player. But you could argue that Gasol had a pretty comparable season.
Bogut is still a step down, though I'm hoping he continues to improve and Bogut/Jennings is one of the young duos that excites me the most.
Oden is the one guy who I really think does have the potential to have the impact Howard does. I think he could be a comparable rebounder and an even better defender and offensively, I don't see why he wouldn't be able to produce at a similar rate if he can stay healthy and stay on the floor for 35 or so minutes, however, I'm not holding my breath on that happening.
Actually, Oden is probably my favorite current player.[/QUOTE]
Good point on Bogut, he is up and coming hopefully he can recover. Oden i'm a lil more skeptical about i dont think he'll ever be able to escape the injury bug a la Bill Walton.
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[QUOTE=Horde of Temujin]:lol Yep all of those players could lead a team to the finals especially in '09 with a weak Boston team and a fundamentally flawed Cleveland team.[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :applause:
Keep it up, man! That "weak" Boston team was great and extremely deep, even without KG. They were 15-7 without him and won 8 of their last 9 as they fully adjusted to him missing.
And that "fundamentally flawed" Cleveland team had 2 sweeps. No one was saying they were "fundamentally flawed" when they were 8-0 in the playoffs.
I think it's clear that you are just a Dwight hater. I would love to see Ginobli or Gasol lead a team to the Finals.
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[QUOTE=Horde of Temujin]Yesterday i made the apparantly absurd comment that the following players are better than Dwight Howard, some Isher's (well almost all of them) were a bit dismayed and shocked at my list. I for one just dont see it, Dwight is a great defensive force/rebounder but the man is severely limited on offense, he cant create his own shot no moves, makes many mental mistakes, but even against quality big man he can be beat man to man.
I was told that i am literally the only person who thinks like this and that i should commit suicide. So i was hoping for some input on this because i doubt im the only who feels this way.
I dont know, im not some irrational hater but I just dont see it with him.
Lebron James
Kevin Durant
Dwayne Wade
Tim Duncan
Paul Pierce
Kobe Bryant
Chris Paul
Al Jefferson
Deron Williams
Pau Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
Manu Ginobili
Steve Nash
Brandon Roy
Carmelo Anthony[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/6500000/LOLWUT-random-6599568-378-413.jpg[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=zORi]:roll: :roll: :applause:
Keep it up, man! That "weak" Boston team was great and extremely deep, even without KG. They were 15-7 without him and won 8 of their last 9 as they fully adjusted to him missing.
And that "fundamentally flawed" Cleveland team had 2 sweeps. No one was saying they were "fundamentally flawed" when they were 8-0 in the playoffs.
I think it's clear that you are just a Dwight hater. I would love to see Ginobli or Gasol lead a team to the Finals.[/QUOTE]
Cleveland was a fundamentally flawed team, no true point and a bunch of semi has beens thrown together in hope of achieving a chip and a horrible coach.
Gasol could easily lead a team to the finals, as can Ginobili hes a lil older now but the man has been an instrumental, more than instrumental- integral part of a perennial contender for years and dont forget his accolades on the international stage.
Not a hater, you are my friend, youre the one resorting to personal attacks. Buts its ok its the internet i dont mind disagreeing with ya:cheers:
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[QUOTE=OnceInADECADE][IMG]http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/6500000/LOLWUT-random-6599568-378-413.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
:oldlol: look at how big his lower lip is and the top is nonexistent, weird.
ok Once, what if i were to add in Beasley?
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[QUOTE=Horde of Temujin]Cleveland was a fundamentally flawed team, no true point and a bunch of semi has beens thrown together in hope of achieving a chip and a horrible coach.
Gasol could easily lead a team to the finals, as can Ginobili hes a lil older now but the man has been an instrumental, more than instrumental- integral part of a perennial contender for years and dont forget his accolades on the international stage.
Not a hater, you are my friend, youre the one resorting to personal attacks. Buts its ok its the internet i dont mind disagreeing with ya:cheers:[/QUOTE]
I agree with you on the personal attacks, that's unnecessary and I apologize.
But there is no way Gasol nor Ginobili can lead a team to a chip.
Cleveland actually does have a true point guard, but he isn't (wasn't) being utilized 100% because Lebron was controlling the ball most of the time. They aren't the first team to do this, the Lakers do the same thing to an extent, and they are champions.
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[QUOTE=Horde of Temujin]:oldlol: look at how big his lower lip is and the top is nonexistent, weird.
[B][U]ok Once, what if i were to add in Beasley?[/U][/B][/QUOTE]
still i have Dwight ranked 2nd in the league
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What the hell.. When it rains, it pours.
The list needs to be updated.
Some other names to add:
Marc Gasol
Demarcus Cousins
Zach Randolph
Stephen Curry
Derrick Rose
Blake Griffin
James Harden
Tony Parker
Russel Westbrook
Tyson Chandler
Kevin Love
Joachim Noah