Guess they're blowing it up. LMA gone?
[url]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/613844655210430465[/url]
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Guess they're blowing it up. LMA gone?
[url]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/613844655210430465[/url]
Post the full trade retard
Nicholas Batum for Gerald Henderson and Noah Vonleh
Oh man I love it for NO
Great source OP, i especially liked the 2nd paragraph. The 3rd is very interesting too with how the teams might do afterwards. The last paragraph is the most crucial OP is def a fakkit
Links? Jesus.
haha holy shit. no one saw that coming.
isnt zeller on the block too? who are they hoping to play the 4 for them long term?
[QUOTE=KyrieTheFuture]Oh man I love it for NO[/QUOTE]
:roll:
Should be interesting to see what Vonleh does in his second season. Henderson can ball though.
[url]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/613844655210430465[/url]
For Henderson and Vonleh? We better be getting a 1st rounder as well.
[QUOTE=Myth]For Henderson and Vonleh? We better be getting a 1st rounder as well.[/QUOTE]
throwing in a 1st rounder for the often underachieving batum seems asinine, considering that vonleh was a top 10 pick last year who was fcked by a hernia injury and never really got rolling.
Wow Portland blowing it up.. Guess that core didn't have a high ceiling anyway..
Charlotte heading in a good direction though:applause:
Also, fu*k I hate reading a Twitter link. Can't stand all the idiotic @s and reply bullshit:facepalm
[QUOTE=Myth]For Henderson and Vonleh? We better be getting a 1st rounder as well.[/QUOTE]
Batum is expiring and you're getting a second year lottery PF. Only a retard would think Portland would also get an additional 1st round pick for an aging and expiring role player.
so one more playoff spot in the west is now up for grabs! :rockon:
I should be loving this.
So I guess LMA is leaving for sure now. Matthews too probably
LMA knew about this move
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Well, I guess that settles it, Portland is drafting a SF and thinks they will land Justin Anderson or Rondae Hollis-Jefferson.
If Aldridge stays, they can re-sign Matthews (or Afflalo) and still be fine (My first choice obviously):
Lillard/Blake
Henderson/Matthews/Crabbe
Matthews/(Anderson/Hollis-Jefferson)
Aldridge/Leonard/Vonleh
Lopez/Kaman/(Freeland)/Vonleh
If he is gone, then they can let Matthews and Afflalo go and start the rebuild:
Lillard/Blake
Henderson/Crabbe
(Anderson/Hollis-Jefferson)
Leonard/Vonleh
Lopez/Kaman/(Freeland)/Vonleh
Plus have tons of cash.
[QUOTE=Fallen Angel]LMA knew about this move
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As I posted just above, this could still work in a way that makes sense with or without Aldridge. Batum is super talented, but ultimately overpaid considering his lack of heart. I think this move is to make room for the incoming rookie, while also having a safety net for losing one of or both of Matthews/Afflalo. Vonleh is just a rebuilding piece in case Aldridge leaves, but I think Henderson was the bigger target in our current situation.
Charlotte is a disaster under MJ. And will continue to be one.
[QUOTE=Levity]so one more playoff spot in the west is now up for grabs! :rockon:[/QUOTE]
not really OKC was an anomaly last season. that's their spot, and if the pelicans can retain their success there won't really be an open spot.
OKC
GSW
SAS
Clips
Hou
Mem
Pelicans
Mavs
and the rest are maybes unless something drastic happens to one of those teams. I can see dirk getting injured and the mavs missing the playoffs
[QUOTE=Levity]so one more playoff spot in the west is now up for grabs! :rockon:[/QUOTE]
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Charlotte really making sure they stick on that treadmill lol
I assume their GM knows he's fired if he can't make the playoffs, so he's selling off their young talent for average starters with a year on their deals to try and make the 8 seed :oldlol:
Also looks like Portland is hitting that reset button.
Vonleh is talented though, not a bad piece to get back if you're planning on rebuilding.
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Not sure why Charlotte would give up Henderson and Vonleh for Batum. Batum is a pretty mediocre player who won't improve much of anything.
[QUOTE=PJR]Charlotte is a disaster under MJ. And will continue to be one.[/QUOTE]
Hornets are also getting Jeremy Lamb in a separate deal for Matt Barnes contract.
Batum + Lamb > Hendo + Vonleh
Hate to give up Vonleh because he has unproven potential but there is a log jam at the 4 atm.
[QUOTE=rufuspaul]Hornets are also getting Jeremy Lamb in a separate deal for Matt Barnes contract.
Batum + Lamb > Hendo + Vonleh
Hate to give up Vonleh because he has unproven potential but there is a log jam at the 4 atm.[/QUOTE]
Vonleh will be better than LMA ever was in 4-5yrs
Not sold on Vonleh yet (should be noted I thought he would be the bust of his draft class when the hype grew, and he didn't do shit last year to change my mind) and Hendo is not much more than a bad starter on a good team/decent bench player.
Interesting they would give up on Vonleh so soon tho. He didn't really get much a chance last season and the dude's like 19.
[QUOTE=rufuspaul]Hornets are also getting Jeremy Lamb in a separate deal for Matt Barnes contract.
Batum + Lamb > Hendo + Vonleh
Hate to give up Vonleh because he has unproven potential but there is a log jam at the 4 atm.[/QUOTE]
Let's see how much you like this deal when Batum bolts in unrestricted free agency in 2016. No way in hell is he signing his life away in Charlotte lmao.
Horrible deal for the Hornets.
Batum is so underrated.
Would have loved him at OKC...tough as nails, good defender, can play two postions...also a good playmaker
Risky move for Charlotte, though I'm not too high on Vonleh. Batum and MKG together is intriguing.
Oddly, I've liked both of the Hornets moves so far this offseason. Not sure what the Lamb/Barnes deal actually looks like, but that's another good one in light of picking up Batum. I wondered why it was being said that Charlotte wouldn't hold onto Barnes. Lamb is worth a flier and should actually get a chance to play finally.
I don't see how anybody could 'like' trading one of the only promising young pieces on a bad team and selling out to try to get the 8 seed.
I've been on that treadmill before, it's not a good place to be.
[QUOTE=hawksdogsbraves]I don't see how anybody could 'like' trading one of the only promising young pieces on a bad team and selling out to try to get the 8 seed.
I've been on that treadmill before, it's not a good place to be.[/QUOTE]
MKG and Zeller are both still young and with a fair amount of potential. They also still have Kemba. Solid veterans in Jefferson, Hawes, Batum, and Marv Williams. Also still have the 9th pick tomorrow. I agree that this looks like a 6-8 seed, but maybe that's just the next logical step after the year they had. Again, I was never all that impressed with Vonleh and he doesn't seem to have any fire. I think that was just a bad pick, but I guess we'll see.
[QUOTE]Jonathan Givony @DraftExpress 23 seconds ago
Told Charlotte had concerns about Noah Vonleh's acclimation to NBA. Had difficulties picking up on plays. Questions about his feel for game.[/QUOTE]
Seems Charlotte organization was not impressed after getting their hands on Vonleh.
vonleh only played 25 games, and even before the draft, we knew that he would take time to develop
batum is surely gone after this year, unless charlotte want to overpay him.
i guess portland doesnt think batum is worthwhile, so thats why they dumped him, i dont know why charlotte did this trade. i guess they just want to get mediocre and stay there :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE]Jonathan Givony @DraftExpress 2 minutes ago
Had heard some reports that Jeremy Lamb was on the trading block (along with Perry Jones). Lack of intensity and work ethic didn't fit in.[/QUOTE]
Seems like Lamb has some of the same issues as Vonleh.
I was kinda meh about the trade but reading more about it I love it. That Vonleh kid looks promising and he's young. Similar build to Batum but this kid attacks the paint and crashes the boards. One thing I hated about Batum is he always looked tired. This guy played for the French national team.
Good trade for Portland. I hear this also give Blazers financial flexibility.
I give Olshey an A for getting this done.
[QUOTE=PJR]Charlotte is a disaster under MJ. And will continue to be one.[/QUOTE]
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Asians just arent smart when it comes to basketball. Cho, Lin, Yao Jianaling etc
I don't exactly love this trade for Charlotte because either they wasted a lotto pick on Vonleh or they overpay for Batum next summer. This team has a ceiling of a 6 seed imo and can maybe win a round in the playoffs, but I doubt it.
I like the effort to land a wing but this seems like a kinda high price. Maybe Vonleh struggles BBIQ-wise, and I won't act like I know if he does/doesn't.
Charlotte seems like it needs to really bottom out after next year though. I doubt Big Al, Marvin Williams, Batum, etc. stay beyond next year barring overpaying. I think Hornets should have built more carefully.
If Portland loses LMA, this is a pretty good return for Portland. Batum would have left next summer either way. If LMA stays, not like they can't use these new pieces in a future trade or anything. I'm higher on Batum than Henderson though, disparity in contracts aside.
Such a ****ing shit move by the Hornets. Not only is Henderson A MUCH BETTER player than Batum but you throw in your lottery pick from last yr? Why tf would you draft the kid in the first place if he looked like a project?
[QUOTE=FreezingTsmoove]Such a ****ing shit move by the Hornets. Not only is Henderson A MUCH BETTER player than Batum but you throw in your lottery pick from last yr? Why tf would you draft the kid in the first place if he looked like a project?[/QUOTE]
The knew he was a project coming in.
It looks like a case of the GM knows his job is on the line if the can't make the playoffs, so he's going all in on that 8 seed.