Kobe tied MJ for the most career game winning shots at 26

NBA.com's list of MJ's game winners is at 25 but it doesn't include his game winner against the Suns in 2002 when he was playing for the Wizards so thats 26 total.

After tonights game against the Pacers Kobe's got 26. Kobe should have 27 but the one against the Celtics in (2002) when the ball was clearly out of his hands was waived off so Kobe's official total is 26.

[B]MJ's totals:[/B] [url]http://www.nba.com/jordan/game_winners.html[/url]
[B]
Kobe's totals:[/B] [url]http://www.dolem.com/kobe_game_winners.htm[/url]

Notice Michael Jordan's totals includes FTs, Kobe's doesnt.

How many of those are in the NBA Finals?

[QUOTE=Godfather]How many of those are in the NBA Finals?[/QUOTE]
:applause:

and your point is?

[QUOTE=Godfather]How many of those are in the NBA Finals?[/QUOTE]
Don't know about GW but Kobe has hit plenty of clutch shots in the Finals.
Off the top of my head...Game 4 2000, Game 3 2002, Game 5 2008, Game 3 2008..

[QUOTE=Jacks3]Don't know about GW but Kobe has hit plenty of clutch shots in the Finals.
Off the top of my head...Game 4 2000, Game 3 2002, Game 5 2008, Game 3 2008..[/QUOTE]

I don't want to bother making a Jordan list. Anyone with the time and effort want to make one?

I will rep...



Still this is a great accomplishment by Kobe. He is very clutch in the regular season and western conference playoffs.

Good work Kobe, but i should mention Mj has the better % on GW.

[QUOTE=Godfather]Still this is a great accomplishment by Kobe. He is very clutch in the regular season and western conference playoffs.[/QUOTE]
Nice back-handed compliment.

There's a good list of Jordan game-winning shots at:

[url]http://www.23jordan.com/shots1.htm[/url]

It looks to be pretty complete.

[QUOTE=Godfather]How many of those are in the NBA Finals?[/QUOTE]

Click the links and look for yourself.

[QUOTE=JJ81]Click the links and look for yourself.[/QUOTE]

What is it 4 to 0??

The list you posted is not even close to being accurate. This is getting sad. :roll:

[QUOTE=statman32]The list you posted is not even close to being accurate. This is getting sad. :roll:[/QUOTE]

Are you going to elaborate?

[QUOTE=Godfather]What is it 4 to 0??[/QUOTE]

Game 4 2000 finals... you clearly didn't click the link because you would have seen that that was the second on the list.

[QUOTE]Kobe has hit plenty of clutch shots in the Finals.
Off the top of my head...Game 4 2000, Game 3 2002, Game 5 2008, Game 3 2008[/QUOTE]

Jordan has way more gamewinner then that, no?

[QUOTE=JJ81]Game 4 2000 finals... you clearly didn't click the link because you would have seen that that was the second on the list.[/QUOTE]

Didn't see that 4 to 1...

This Jordan link is also missing a significant amount of info compared to Kobe's

Because Kobes list count everything in the last minute while MJs list doesnt count anything above 24 seconds. I doubt that Mj didnt hit any "game winners" from a minute to 24 sec.

ALso missed two more in a Wizards uniform.

One of MJ's was him missing the first and hitting the second free throw giving the Bulls a 1 point lead, with time on the clock, which I don't think is a gamewinner.
Some of those on Kobe's list are kind of dubious. Even if you want to count game winners at 30+ secs (one was at 55 secs), the author counts go-ahead shots, #3 wasn't a game winner at all, and one was a 4-pt win (I guess he hit a 4 pointer). Clutch shot does not necessarily = game winner.
Have to set a criteria here first

[QUOTE=statman32]Because Kobes list count everything in the last minute while MJs list doesnt count anything above 24 seconds. I doubt that Mj didnt hit any "game winners" from a minute to 24 sec.

ALso missed two more in a Wizards uniform.[/QUOTE]

The Jordan list is horribly organized. I suggest the OP finds a better source and change this thread title.

Uh ya that list from MJs isn't organized and i don't think has all of his clutch shots. Where's his one against the lakers to send it into overtime in the finals?

[QUOTE=JJ81]NBA.com's list of MJ's game winners is at 25 but it doesn't include his game winner against the Suns in 2002 when he was playing for the Wizards so thats 26 total.

After tonights game against the Pacers Kobe's got 26. Kobe should have 27 but the one against the Celtics in (2002) when the ball was clearly out of his hands was waived off so Kobe's official total is 26.

[B]MJ's totals:[/B] [url]http://www.nba.com/jordan/game_winners.html[/url]
[B]
Kobe's totals:[/B] [url]http://www.dolem.com/kobe_game_winners.htm[/url]

Notice Michael Jordan's totals includes FTs, Kobe's doesnt.[/QUOTE]

Jordan had three gamewinners during his comeback tour with the Wizards:

Suns. Hawks. Cavs.

Also, get better sources. Ones coming from a lakers fans and another from a bulls fan, which means they prob both put different criterias in what they considered clutch shots

I didn't make these lists.

Can't you just accept it as an impressive achievement?:wtf: Always have to pick holes in anything good Kobe does.:confusedshrug:

[QUOTE]Kobe tied MJ for the most career game winning shots at 26 [/QUOTE]

First of all, not all of Kobe's 26 game-winning shots were real game-winners. A few of them were just crucial baskets which put his team ahead for good. Second, no-one has ever said that 26 is the all-time leading number. How many did Bird have? Reggie? Jerry West? As long as no-one has provided the all-time data, this will remain an extremely unofficial record.

[QUOTE]How many of those are in the NBA Finals?[/QUOTE]

Poor attempt to hate. Larry Bird has zero, fyi.

[QUOTE=JJ81]I didn't make these lists.

Can't you just accept it as an impressive achievement?:wtf: Always have to pick holes in anything good Kobe does.:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

You are an idiot...One of the articles is from 2000 (Jordan's) and the other is up to date.

Maybe you just can't accept Jordan>Kobe and have to instead bring in bull **** posts :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Godfather]I don't want to bother making a Jordan list. Anyone with the time and effort want to make one?

I will rep...



Still this is a great accomplishment by Kobe. He is very clutch in the regular season and western conference playoffs.[/QUOTE]
lol what about the nba finals

[QUOTE]Uh ya that list from MJs isn't organized and i don't think has all of his clutch shots. Where's his one [B]against the lakers to send it into overtime[/B] in the finals?[/QUOTE]

Well then that would defeat the purpose of calling it a GAMEwinner, correct?

[QUOTE=JJ81]I didn't make these lists.

Can't you just accept it as an impressive achievement?:wtf: Always have to pick holes in anything good Kobe does.:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

I never tried to degrade Kobe, or say LOL KOBE<MJ. I Just said if you're going to bring stats and facts to the table at least get reliable sources. Other than that yes we know kobe is excellent in clutch situations.

Kobe homers doing some hard investigations trying to match up in at least one aspect to the Greatest There Is, Greatest That Ever Will Be

You guys should get at least rewarded for your persistence...

[QUOTE=Godfather]You are an idiot...One of the articles is from 2000 (Jordan's) and the other is up to date.

Maybe you just can't accept Jordan>Kobe and have to instead bring in bull **** posts :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

When did I say that Jordan wasn't better than Kobe? You've jumped to that conclusion by yourself.

[QUOTE=sunsfan1357]Well then that would defeat the purpose of calling it a GAMEwinner, correct?[/QUOTE]

Exactly :oldlol:

By the end of Kobe's career he will have had more game winning shots than Jordan.

[QUOTE=JJ81]I didn't make these lists.

Can't you just accept it as an impressive achievement?:wtf: Always have to pick holes in anything good Kobe does.:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

Because you're trying to make the argument that Kobe is the better player than MJ. Kobe isn't half the player MJ was. They're not even in the same league.

MJ groupies are so pathetic. Just admit when another player surpasses or ties him, look at that list, MJ's game winners consists of free throws. Kind of lame. Why bring up the finals? Move on and admit that Kobe will surpass him soon enough. He retired, get off his d!ck you lames.

There was a list showing Kobe with 27 like 3 years ago. And one with Jordan in the low 30s. I remember Loki and I remembering several not on the list then(some of them pretty well known) and wondering how many they forgot.

[QUOTE]First of all, not all of Kobe's 26 game-winning shots were real game-winners. A few of them were just crucial baskets which put his team ahead for good. Second, no-one has ever said that 26 is the all-time leading number. How many did Bird have? Reggie? Jerry West? As long as no-one has provided the all-time data, this will remain an extremely unofficial record.[/QUOTE]

I clearly remember in the 98 playoffs after Reggie made that 3 to win it vs the Bulls they said it was his 14th go ahead shot with a minute or less to go...[B]that season[/B]. Not exactly 14th game winner but Reggie was making clutch shots every week or two for 18 years. Id be suprised if he didnt have at least 20 game winners.

[QUOTE=Kobe24]MJ groupies are so pathetic. Just admit when another player surpasses or ties him, look at that list, MJ's game winners consists of free throws. Kind of lame. Why bring up the finals? Move on and admit that Kobe will surpass him soon enough. He retired, get off his d!ck you lames.[/QUOTE]

Kobe groupies are pathetic. Always trying to make Kobe into a player he is not. Just accept him for who he is, one of NBA's greatest players. He's not there on Birds, JOrdans, Shaq's, or Magic's level just yet. Like i said again, if you're going to bring NUMBERS and FACTS to the table at least USE a reliable source.

[QUOTE=JordanL]Because you're trying to make the argument that Kobe is the better player than MJ. [B]Kobe isn't half the player MJ was. They're not even in the same league[/B].[/QUOTE]

so the entire league is trash?

This can't be another thread that says Kobe>MJ. MJ's game winners are way more memorable than Kobe's i bet.

It's this very image of drones that repel Kobe to general public.

If only you knew to appreciate your favorite player, instead you're just using him for compensating your Jordan hatred, pathetic...

impressive statistic. it says alot about Kobe's ability to finish in the clutch. He's always amazed me on that particular feat of his

maybe my criteria is too strict, but my definition, or at least when i think of game winners, i think of fisher on spurs or jordan over ehlo.

but apparently game winners are loosely defined.

something like this scenario:

Player A scores with the game tied with 40 seconds to go to put Team A up 2.
Team B then misses a shot.
Team A then misses a shot again.
Team B then turns the ball over. intentionally fouls. clock runs out.

Guess Player A's shot would be called a game winner, but I would never think of it as such.