1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Tim Duncan
9. Kobe Bryant
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
Jerry West moves down to #11.
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1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Tim Duncan
9. Kobe Bryant
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
Jerry West moves down to #11.
I agree, but talking about the top 10 itself, I personally think Kareem should hop to number 2.
[QUOTE=Papaya Petee]I agree, but talking about the top 10 itself, [B]I personally think Kareem should hop to number 2.[/B][/QUOTE]
It's definitely arguable.
You can debate the order all day, but those 10 are the greatest ever.
Top 3 aren't really arguable...it's Wilt/Kareem/Jordan.
Kobe is now "officially" top 10. Anyone denying it at this point is either a hater or doesn't have proper perspective in making these lists. He'll likely finish in the top 5.
Great thread, kobe is definitely a top 10 player....i'm so happy right now lakers baby!!!!!
[QUOTE=Fatal9]Top 3 aren't really arguable...it's Wilt/Kareem/Jordan.
Kobe is now "officially" top 10. Anyone denying it at this point is either a hater or doesn't have proper perspective in making these lists. He'll likely finish in the top 5.[/QUOTE]
You'd put Kobe over Shaq?
[QUOTE=zabuza666]You'd put Kobe over Shaq?[/QUOTE]
Kobe has the potential to finish above Shaq. He's not there yet, but his style of play will age well and the Lakers have the right players to stay contenders for a long time.
:applause: :rockon:
[QUOTE=Bodhi]You can debate the order all day, but those 10 are the greatest ever.[/QUOTE]
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Although....Moses Malone has a Gripe....I'll put Kobe slightly Above Moses, but...
Kobe is not Top 10. Winning only 1 Ring as the Leader does not make you Top 10.
And Kareem is #2. #5 is way too low. The guy has 6 Rings, 6 MVP's and is a 19x All-Star. #5 is way too low. He is a Top 3 Lock.
[QUOTE=Fatal9]Top 3 aren't really arguable...it's Wilt/Kareem/Jordan.
Kobe is now "officially" top 10. Anyone denying it at this point is either a hater or doesn't have proper perspective in making these lists. He'll likely finish in the top 5.[/QUOTE]
In your opinion, what would Kobe have to accomplish to be higher than top 5?
there are 5 lakers in there with 20 chips
top 10. 5 lakers
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]1. Michael Jordan
2. Magic Johnson
3. Larry Bird
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Bill Russell
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Tim Duncan
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Kobe Bryant
Jerry West moves down to #11.[/QUOTE]
Where is MOSES MALONE, HONDO WITH 8 TITLES AND VERY GOOD STATS, DR J.. Where is Oscar robertson? I think kobe is anywhere 12-15... Kobe has 1 MVP and 1 Finals MVP... Kobe's stats are good but not great and he has played with great talent in his career.. Kobe will wind up anywhere from 5-7..
Last years finals really hurt Kobe's ability to land any better than that.. Still give credit to the one guy who eats, breathes and probably ****s basketball
kobefreakingbryant... :rant
[QUOTE=JustinJDW]Kobe is not Top 10. Winning only 1 Ring as the Leader does not make you Top 10.[/QUOTE]
2x NBA Scoring Champion
1x NBA League MVP
1x NBA Finals MVP
Perennial member of the NBA All Defensive and NBA First Team
That's a top 10 player of all time. Stop hating on Kobe Bryant because the guy is the 3rd best player in the Post Jordan Era.
[QUOTE=zabuza666]You'd put Kobe over Shaq?[/QUOTE]
If he wins two more? He is in the top 4. We are looking at 6 rings in the modern era (achieved only by the GOAT), statistics, awards etc. There won't really be a case against it, unless your criteria heavily factors peak play (in which case Shaq is top 4 for you).
[QUOTE=Lebron23]That's a top 10 player of all time. Stop hating on Kobe Bryant because the guy is the 3rd best player in the Post Jordan Era.[/QUOTE]I do agree with him being #3 since Jordan, but I don't agree with him being Top 10.
I can admit that Kobe has sealed up the 10th spot. The only other player that can argue for it is Moses Malone.
[QUOTE=Fatal9]Top 3 aren't really arguable...it's Wilt/Kareem/Jordan.
Kobe is now "officially" top 10. Anyone denying it at this point is either a hater or doesn't have proper perspective in making these lists. He'll likely finish in the top 5.[/QUOTE]I do not see him passing Shaq, Duncan, Kareem, Mj, Magic, Larry Bird, Wilt and Russell. You can argue with Hakeem if he wins another ring even though I still think he is better. But definitely not making top 5.
:roll: at anyone arguing players like Dr. J, Oscar, Malone at this point. Havlichek is top 10, really? :oldlol:
Quit trolling.
[QUOTE=Heilige]In your opinion, what would Kobe have to accomplish to be higher than top 5?[/QUOTE]
I think the fact that he has been outplayed in the biggest of series hurts Kobe... Not once but twice... 04 AND 08...
mj, kareem , and russell have titles in college, pros and olympics..
Kareem 3 college and 6 pro
russell has 11 titles and I think college titles as well
MJ has 6 titles in his first 13 seasons and 1 college title
I didn't even get into the MVP'S or College player of the year awards..
[QUOTE=Xsatyr]I do not see him passing Shaq, Duncan, Kareem, Mj, Magic, Larry Bird, Wilt and Russell.[/QUOTE]
I think he could certainly equal or pass Shaq and Duncan if he wins another couple of rings as the centerpiece of a team.
[QUOTE=Fatal9]:roll: at anyone arguing players like Dr. J, Oscar, Malone at this point. Havlichek is top 10, really? :oldlol:
Quit trolling.[/QUOTE]
Bran and Catch both laker fans have also written they believe Kobe is 10-15 after this title.. So FATAL stop your crap and admit to being a stan.. I mean fan.. lol
[QUOTE=Xsatyr]I do not see him passing Shaq, Duncan, Kareem, MJ, Larry Bird, Wilt and Russell.[/QUOTE]
Kobe with another ring almost seals it in terms of passing Duncan. Another one will put him over Shaq, Bird and Russell. Nothing he can realistically do can put him over Kareem and Wilt (who are #2 and #3 respectively).
[QUOTE=rs98762001]I think he could certainly equal or pass Shaq and Duncan if he wins another couple of rings as the centerpiece of a team.[/QUOTE]I just don't think it will happen but crazier things have happened.
[QUOTE=JustinJDW]I do agree with him being #3 since Jordan, but I don't agree with him being Top 10.[/QUOTE]
Yea shaq and duncan and then kobe...
[QUOTE=NBASTATMAN]Bran and Catch both laker fans have also written they believe Kobe is 10-15 after this title.. So FATAL stop your crap and admit to being a stan.. I mean fan.. lol[/QUOTE]
Okay? Doesn't mean sh*t. There is NO argument now, Kobe is top 10. Eat it.
[QUOTE=Fatal9]If he wins two more? He is in the top 4. We are looking at 6 rings in the modern era (achieved only by the GOAT), statistics, awards etc. There won't really be a case against it, unless your criteria heavily factors peak play (in which case Shaq is top 4 for you).[/QUOTE]
If kobe's wins 2 more than maybe 5-7... Wilt has the titles and the ridiculous stats..
Good list but since Lebron is already better than Kobe he is well on his way to being in the top 5 and maybe the best ever depending how many titles he wins. I am assuming this lists hinges on titles right and not just pure talent and greatness individually ?
[QUOTE=Fatal9]Kobe with another ring almost seals it in terms of passing Duncan. Another one will put him over Shaq, Bird and Russell. Nothing he can realistically do can put him over Kareem and Wilt (who are #2 and #3 respectively).[/QUOTE]I disagree with that, Shaq has 3 finals mvp. And one more will definitely not put him over Russell.
[QUOTE=Fatal9]Okay? Doesn't mean sh*t. There is NO argument now, Kobe is top 10. Eat it.[/QUOTE]
TO you .. NOT ME.. Will he be top 10 at one point? YES..
[QUOTE=Fatal9]:roll: at anyone arguing players like Dr. J, Oscar, Malone at this point. Havlichek is top 10, really? :oldlol:
Quit trolling.[/QUOTE]Oscar, Dr. J and Moses Malone are all better players than Kobe Bryant. It's just that they never played with one of the greatest Centers of All-Time.
[QUOTE=Kingwillball]Good list but since Lebron is already better than Kobe he is well on his way to being in the top 5 and maybe the best ever depending how many titles he wins. I am assuming this lists hinges on titles right and not just pure talent and greatness individually ?[/QUOTE]Lol oh boy...
Truth.com The man is a living legend.
:roll: :roll: :roll:
[B]Don`t Show me MVPs, Don`t Show Me Championships, Don`t Show Me Polls, Don`t Show me Hype Opinions
Show Me Statistical Impact on why he is a Top 10
Show it...[/B]
:confusedshrug: :violin:
[QUOTE=JustinJDW]Oscar, Dr. J and Moses Malone are all better players than Kobe Bryant. It's just that they never played with a Top 3 Center of All-Time.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
Dr.J and Moses played TOGETHER. :roll:
good stuff.
[QUOTE=NBASTATMAN]Bran and Catch both laker fans have also written they believe Kobe is 10-15 after this title.. So FATAL stop your crap and admit to being a stan.. I mean fan.. lol[/QUOTE]
Yea, but dont argue with faktal. Even if its 10-15 Kobe still top 10.lol
[QUOTE=bleedinpurpleTwo]:roll:
Dr.J and Moses played TOGETHER. :roll:
good stuff.[/QUOTE]Yeah, how does that effect my point?
What I am saying is that Kobe got to play with the Greatest Center in 20 years. People wondered if he can win without Shaq, and it took him 7 years to do it.
That's only Ring #1 as a Leader. Why do we dismiss guys like Pippen and Worthy, who have just as many Rings as Kobe? Because they are not Leaders. Kobe finally has one as a Leader. That does not make you Top 10.
[QUOTE=Sir Charles]:roll: :roll: :roll:
[B]Don`t Show me MVPs, Don`t Show Me Championships, Don`t Show Me Polls, Don`t Show me Hype Opinions
Show Me Statistical Impact on why he is a Top 10
Show it...[/B]
:confusedshrug: :violin:[/QUOTE]
So you don't want us to show you anything that actually counts?! Thats kind of silly...
[QUOTE=Sir Charles]:roll: :roll: :roll:
[B]Don`t Show me MVPs, Don`t Show Me Championships, Don`t Show Me Polls, Don`t Show me Hype Opinions
Show Me Statistical Impact on why he is a Top 10
Show it...[/B]
:confusedshrug: :violin:[/QUOTE]
[B][COLOR="SandyBrown"]yeah f*ck winng. [/COLOR] [COLOR="Red"]f*ck championships. [/COLOR][COLOR="DarkOrchid"]f*ck trophies. [/COLOR] [/B]
It's about scoring and rebounding and EFF. that's what matters!! that's what we play for! NUMBERS! :rockon:
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