Discuss how/why the Celtics just beat the Lakers in 2010 NBA Finals game 5

The Celtics now lead the Lakers 3 games to 2 in the 2010 NBA Finals.

If you just watched the game, discuss how Boston was able to win

Ron Artest

[QUOTE=Hiei]Ron Artest[/QUOTE]

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Laker players other than Kobe and Fisher have no heart and can't handle pressure.

Artest being atrocious on both ends of the court.
Bynum still hurt.
Pau played like 2008 Pau. Owned by Garnett.
Lack of poise down the stretch...again.

This would have been a blowout had it not been for Bryant's third quarter explosion.

Defensive. They shot 39% (Lakers). The Lakers kept it so close due to the offensive rebounders and turnovers by Boston. And Kobe going crazy.

the more you watched these two teams play the more you realize that the celts are just the better team. They played horrible against the lakers the past 4 games and the series was tied 2-2. It tells you how good this team is even when they are playing horrible. In today's game they played Celtics ball. it was defense that created their offense. They didnt get many calls and yet still were able to control the entire game and even withstand a Kobe onslaught. The better team just won and I find it hard for the lakers to win 2 games against this celtic team.

congrats....the better team won.

1.derek fisher not getting open 3's

2.Pau gasol playing like he is 6'2 on defense

3.No bench production

4.Ron Artest missing open shots

Pau gasol...

fk protect ur own rebounds
FK
Im so pissed.

[QUOTE=insidehoops]The Celtics now lead the Lakers 3 games to 2 in the 2010 NBA Finals.

If you just watched the game, discuss how Boston was able to win[/QUOTE]

lack of inside presence because bynum is hurt

[QUOTE=sportsfan76]
[B]3.No bench production
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The bench is huge. The bench won game 4 and they made great plays in game 5. With the Celtics bench, you have to change your entire defensive plan.

Celtics vs Kobe.

That only works in the regular season. The better teams deserve to win in the finals.

Missed calls by the refs sure took a lot out of the momentum that was heading towards the Lakers but they were playing terrible defense the whole game. 56% shooting.

Andrew Bynum:

31 minutes
6 points
1 offensive rebound
0 defensive rebounds
0 assists
3 fouls
1 turnover
-12 (+/-), worst on both teams by a lot

Pierce and KG were [B]huge[/B], others did their part, but Rondo with Ray made a bit too many mistakes.

It was a bit surprising Celtics were able to answer every single Kobe's [I]divine [/I]shooting in the 3rd, it was like Kobe was playing alone against balanced Cs offense (KG/Pierce/Rondo, etc. - everyone were scoring). Honestly [B]Celtics won because they wanted it more as a team[/B], who on Lakers side were playing their hearts out? Fisher started great, but eventually refs stopped paying attention to his flopping, Bynum tried, but was too slow due to knee, Kobe was amazing, just in stretches. Others didnt even showed up.

How terse is Kobe gonna be in the press conference?

The difference was also KG on Gasol. He blocked his shot, he made life hell for Pau. KG was zoned in on rebounding as well.

We made adjustments with rebounding with 2 hands. DOc moving away from ROndo dominating the ball for 48 mins.

PP and KG PnR produced positive plays 80 percent of the time.
Rondo always makes a critical hustle play
Stayed within ourselves except for bone head moves.

One thing I noticed is Bryant is who he is. An incredible player who wants shine. its his gift and his curse..He let Ray Allen get in his head

This loss hurts almost as bad as Game 4 of the 2008 finals. I don't know who to blame or get pissed off at.

[QUOTE=Allstar24]This loss hurts almost as bad as Game 4 of the 2008 finals. I don't know who to blame or get pissed off at.[/QUOTE]

It's ok, I believe Lakers could have won both games if they were playing at home. It's hard to win in the fourth when the refs calls everything against u. We still got this when we get home.

[QUOTE=amfirst]It's ok, I believe Lakers could have won both games if they were playing at home. It's hard to win in the fourth when the refs calls everything against u. We still got this when we get home.[/QUOTE]
:roll:

A Lakers fan complaining about the calls?!?!?! hahahahahahahahahaha


How about this: Celtics with only FOUR FTA with 5 minutes left in the 4th. they ended up with only 13 FTA, but they only had that many b/c 6 of those FTAs were from intentional Lakers fouls in the last minute.

Lakers had 26 FTA


Please, we won despite the refs. There were periods when the Celtics would go on a run, and the refs would make a questionable call which got the Lakers back in it.

i seriously can't belive a Lakers fan is complaining. I say they sucked and we even won the game lol.

[QUOTE=amfirst]It's ok, I believe Lakers could have won both games if they were playing at home. It's hard to win in the fourth when the refs calls everything against u. We still got this when we get home.[/QUOTE]
I really don't see how LA fans can blame the officials for this loss. Were there a couple of close calls that went in Boston's favor? Sure.

But, for the most part, the officials did a pretty good job of not being a deciding factor and the Lakers actually had a significant FTA advantage.

There are going to be close calls in every game that one side dislikes. That is the nature of the game. But, I don't think there is any question that the better team won tonight.

[QUOTE=Bodhi]Laker players other than Kobe and Fisher have no heart and can't handle pressure.[/QUOTE]
what did d fish do that was so great for them? shot 2-9 (same as artest) and wasnt really much of a factor.

Pierce and Rondo.

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[QUOTE=kurple]Andrew Bynum:

31 minutes
6 points
1 offensive rebound
0 defensive rebounds
0 assists
3 fouls
1 turnover
-12 (+/-), worst on both teams by a lot[/QUOTE]
yet all the lakers fans act like pau was the player not grabbing boards. he had 12 boards in 38 mins. bynum was as big a liability this game.

I don't care about fta because Celts play aggressive and hack a lot, they deserve those foul calls. I didn't see any that they didn't deserve. The fourth quarter calls is what decides the game.

[QUOTE=boozehound]what did d fish do that was so great for them? shot 2-9 (same as artest) and wasnt really much of a factor.[/QUOTE]

what does that have to do with having heart. I think people misunderstand what heart is...

[QUOTE]yet all the lakers fans act like pau was the player not grabbing boards. he had 12 boards in 38 mins. bynum was as big a liability this game.[/QUOTE]

there you go looking at the box score...maybe watch the game and see how many offensive rebounds his lack of effort gave up or the two layups he blew of completely missed rotations or the other layups he gave up. At least Bynum was boxing out, Pau was sitting by the 3 point line.

[QUOTE=amfirst]It's ok, I believe Lakers could have won both games if they were playing at home. It's hard to win in the fourth when the refs calls everything against u. We still got this when we get home.[/QUOTE]
uhm, newsflash numbnuts, the lakers scored 7 points in a row down the stretch in the 4th. all of them from the line. look at the ft differential and say that again. If this were a bar, I would slap your umbrella out of your drink and curb you on the footrail.

[QUOTE=Younggrease]what does that have to do with having heart. I think people misunderstand what heart is...[/QUOTE]
heart is great and all, but points are better. 2-9 is terrible, especially for a guy who only takes good looks (mostly).

[QUOTE=boozehound]heart is great and all, but points are better. 2-9 is terrible, especially for a guy who only takes good looks (mostly).[/QUOTE]

Remember when someone went 10-29? Fisher won that game in the fourth quarter. 29 attempts have more of an impact on the overall results...but Fisher kept the Lakers from losing in 5.

[QUOTE=Younggrease]what does that have to do with having heart. I think people misunderstand what heart is...



there you go looking at the box score...maybe watch the game and see how many offensive rebounds his lack of effort gave up or the two layups he blew of completely missed rotations or the other layups he gave up. At least Bynum was boxing out, Pau was sitting by the 3 point line.[/QUOTE]
Im not saying he didnt have a poor game, but I have seen at least a dozen laker fans act like bynum fish and kobe were all ballin out there. Stats arent everything, but your starting center playing 31 mins and getting 1 board? I dont care if he is boxing out, its not good enough.

so, pau got 12 boards from the 3pt line huh? wow hed be awesome if they could only figure out someway to get him closer to the basket.

[QUOTE=boozehound]heart is great and all, but points are better. 2-9 is terrible, especially for a guy who only takes good looks (mostly).[/QUOTE]

Fisher's 2-9, while guarding Ray Allen and shutting him down and playing sound defense and not missing assignmens> Pau 12/12 with 5-12 shooting.


[QUOTE]Im not saying he didnt have a poor game, but I have seen at least a dozen laker fans act like bynum fish and kobe were all ballin out there. Stats arent everything, but your starting center playing 31 mins and getting 1 board? I dont care if he is boxing out, its not good enough[/QUOTE]

he is hurt...the only reason he is playing that many minutes is b/c Odom is acting like a pansy. Im not gonna blame Bynum when the only reason he is playing on a torn MCL is b/c Odom is shook. Im gonna blame Odom and Gasol for being shook

[QUOTE=Younggrease]Fisher's 2-9, while guarding Ray Allen and shutting him down and playing sound defense and not missing assignmens> Pau 12/12 with 5-12 shooting.[/QUOTE]

Rondo did pretty good besides his careless decision making. I wonder who guarded Rondo.

[QUOTE=sayitaintso]Remember when someone went 10-29? Fisher won that game in the fourth quarter. 29 attempts have more of an impact on the overall results...but Fisher kept the Lakers from losing in 5.[/QUOTE]
sure, fisher won that game by making huge shots (many of which I thought were outside of his repertoire at this point). and?

Ron Artest shooting 30% for the series. Getting Wide Open Three Point shots every game.

All he does is just brick them, hesistates for 5 seconds, dribbles one on one baseline to baseline and turning it over, running out the shotclock, and being a liability on offense.

[QUOTE=Younggrease]Fisher's 2-9, while guarding Ray Allen and shutting him down and playing sound defense and not missing assignmens> Pau 12/12 with 5-12 shooting.




he is hurt...the only reason he is playing that many minutes is b/c Odom is acting like a pansy. Im not gonna blame Bynum when the only reason he is playing on a torn MCL is b/c Odom is shook. Im gonna blame Odom and Gasol for being shook[/QUOTE]
ray shot 5/10 and most of his misses were on decent looks. fish played alright D, but not the shut down D you are pretending.

[QUOTE=laronprofit9]Ron Artest shooting 30% for the series. Getting Wide Open Three Point shots every game.

All he does is just brick them, hesistates for 5 seconds, dribbles one on one baseline to baseline and turning it over, running out the shotclock, and being a liability on offense.[/QUOTE]
that was a great possession he had in the third when he drove the land and opened it up for kobe. I thought he was nuts (too much dribbling for him IMO) but hey

[QUOTE=laronprofit9]Ron Artest shooting 30% for the series. Getting Wide Open Three Point shots every game.

All he does is just brick them, hesistates for 5 seconds, dribbles one on one baseline to baseline and turning it over, running out the shotclock, and being a liability on offense.[/QUOTE]

Remember Rashard Lewis? Maybe Ron Artest has the flu.

[QUOTE=sayitaintso]Rondo did pretty good besides his careless decision making. I wonder who guarded Rondo.[/QUOTE]
yeah, his decisions once he was in the paint were pretty bad today. I thought it was gonna cost them the game.

[QUOTE=Younggrease]he is hurt...the only reason he is playing that many minutes is b/c Odom is acting like a pansy.[/QUOTE]
He is literally [I][B]always [/B][/I]hurt. I think that injury should cease to be an excuse for Bynum from this point forward until he either plays a complete season without sitting out significant stretches with serious injuries or takes part in a long post-season run without eventually running into serious health problems. He has done neither so far in his career.

Bynum and injury have been completely synonymous so far in his career. So much to the point where he should be accustomed to playing banged up and should still find away to have an impact -- especially when it comes to something like rebounding -- which is the most fundamental aspect of playing the 5 spot in this league.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]He is literally [I][B]always [/B][/I]hurt. I think that injury should cease to be an excuse for Bynum from this point forward until he either plays a complete season without sitting out significant stretches with serious injuries or takes part in a long post-season run without eventually running into serious health problems. He has done neither so far in his career.

Bynum and injury have been completely synonymous so far in his career. So much to the point where he should be accustomed to playing banged up and should still find away to have an impact -- especially when it comes to something like rebounding -- which is the most fundamental aspect of playing the 5 spot in this league.[/QUOTE]

I guess you have never had an MCL injury, let alone a tear. Regardless of the fact he has been hurt a lot in his career, most NBA players in his position wouldnt be playing in the Finals. So his minutes have been good enough for me...he is boxing out and Pau is pulling in the boards from his box outs. As long as the Lakers get the rebound it doesnt matter to me.

[QUOTE=Younggrease]I guess you have never had an MCL injury, let alone a tear. [/QUOTE]
I actually tore my ACL in high school. It wasn't a lot of fun.

I'm not insinuating that Bynum is 'faking' or that his injuries haven't been legitimate. I'm just pointing out that health has always been a problem for the guy, so there is really no sense in continuing to point it out. Bynum is literally never 100-percent. Hell... He has probably only been 90-percent a few times during his career.

He may [I]never [/I]play a game completely healthy.